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The Rebels Have Broken Up
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Posted 26 June 2004 - 03:54 PM
HI! I'M BACK SPORADICALLY! Nobody probably remembers me :(
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#32
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Posted 26 June 2004 - 03:55 PM
Some people will never change 
. Itd be great if you went back to being the nice green that was in SeeD before all of this started, but anyway.
Its good this is behind us now and I agree with the forgive and forget thing. What I dont understand is why everyone is jumping to ally with clans formed from this anti SeeD thing, when nice clans who have wanted to help us from the start have to wait ages to get an allience.
It seems to me that the ones who treated us badly, and I mean badly, are if not treated better they are at least looked more kindly upon than much nicer and more senseible clans.
But still whith hostileness over we can put this foolishness behind us.
Anyone I offended by this please dont be I was mearly speaking my mind and was targeting the clans as a whole rather than those in them.
. Itd be great if you went back to being the nice green that was in SeeD before all of this started, but anyway.Its good this is behind us now and I agree with the forgive and forget thing. What I dont understand is why everyone is jumping to ally with clans formed from this anti SeeD thing, when nice clans who have wanted to help us from the start have to wait ages to get an allience.
It seems to me that the ones who treated us badly, and I mean badly, are if not treated better they are at least looked more kindly upon than much nicer and more senseible clans.
But still whith hostileness over we can put this foolishness behind us.
Anyone I offended by this please dont be I was mearly speaking my mind and was targeting the clans as a whole rather than those in them.
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<B>DarkStorm Character Information</B>
Character Name: Saric
Class: Wizard
Race: Halfling
Hometown: Aderon <br>
<B>Character Stats:</B>
Total Stat Points: 26 (5 added by item)
Strength: 6
Intelligence: 15 (10 without bonus for staff)
Hit Points: 10
<B>Items:</B>
Staff of Saric:
Saric has owned this halfling made staff since he first trained to be a wizard, it has great sentimental value as well as magical worth.
Affects: +5 to intelligence<br>
Optional: Saric has been adventuring for many years now, he was originally a village mage but changed his course to adventuring after 2 years of this.<br>
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4 SeeD emblems yay!!
My medals:
Dragon knight
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<B>DarkStorm Character Information</B>
Character Name: Saric
Class: Wizard
Race: Halfling
Hometown: Aderon <br>
<B>Character Stats:</B>
Total Stat Points: 26 (5 added by item)
Strength: 6
Intelligence: 15 (10 without bonus for staff)
Hit Points: 10
<B>Items:</B>
Staff of Saric:
Saric has owned this halfling made staff since he first trained to be a wizard, it has great sentimental value as well as magical worth.
Affects: +5 to intelligence<br>
Optional: Saric has been adventuring for many years now, he was originally a village mage but changed his course to adventuring after 2 years of this.<br>
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#33
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Posted 26 June 2004 - 04:31 PM
Green, you're wasting your time.
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#34
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Posted 26 June 2004 - 04:44 PM
GO, I totally agree with you. But, we are more respected among ourselves. We actually KNOW one another, while those other clans jumped to an alliance because maybe they were jealous, or maybe they just thought it might be fun.
Green, you said it was 'just a game'. Does hacking sound like a game to you? No. Hacking is a federal offense, and while you may not live under those rules because you're not living in the US, I do. Don't you dare say this is a game when it involves destruction of other peoples property. Some members on your board were discussing hacking the Cspace site.
I don't care what you say, I don't think that you will ever break SeeD.
~Ferret Overlord~
Green, you said it was 'just a game'. Does hacking sound like a game to you? No. Hacking is a federal offense, and while you may not live under those rules because you're not living in the US, I do. Don't you dare say this is a game when it involves destruction of other peoples property. Some members on your board were discussing hacking the Cspace site.
I don't care what you say, I don't think that you will ever break SeeD.
~Ferret Overlord~
HI! I'M BACK SPORADICALLY! Nobody probably remembers me :(
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Posted 26 June 2004 - 04:45 PM
| QUOTE (green121 @ Jun 26 2004, 10:03 AM) |
| You guyz take this too seriously. Anyway you literally drove a few of my members off the edge...and you killed the spirits of many ppl. They only wanted to prove thier worth to SeeD and you denied them that. |
But, if we're taking it too seriously, how much more so must these particular Rebels be taking it? Why would they needed *us* to bolster their self-esteem? Why the need to prove their worth through us? I mean no disrespect to your cause here, just questions asked in earnest.
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Posted 26 June 2004 - 04:49 PM
| QUOTE (green121 @ Jun 26 2004, 03:03 PM) |
3 weeks with out me and 2 dayz after i resign the clan dies  Our top players are making a new and stronger clan... I myself will be taking a long vacation and will be working on my character. I've done so much this week then i have since i started the clan. I did all I could for my clan. I thought in the least SeeD would accept some term of battle. It's just a game and it was only a war. You guyz take this too seriously. Anyway you literally drove a few of my members off the edge...and you killed the spirits of many ppl. They only wanted to prove thier worth to SeeD and you denied them that. Slip was a great leader but ppl where so use to me that they decided among themselves that they didn't like Slip being the leader. You say that I was Slip's Backbone but truthfully it was the other way around. Anyway the Rebelz are dead the clan have been dispatched and the forums are gone. This doens't mean it's the end between myself and SeeD. Next time i'm playing it smart right from the beginning. I realized that my current clan is not capable for the task i wish to set out. I drove the clan too far into hatred for your clan that they where easily broken. Consider this clan a test. I've seen a few mistakes i've made and i can see some improvements This isn't the end *I doubt if any of my members will join here...but if they do I'll know You remember that Traitors! |
I'm sorry green, but you look as though you still have some hatred for SeeD. I guess you won't rest until you beat us in a war. Currently, the Fear Clan is in no shape for war. They show no hostility towards SeeD. With the current clans I found in the AsA:
Messiahs Reborned or Rs Fraction,
Skulls and Daggers
These clans aren't fit to fight. I've already declared the AsA to an end. I suggest you lay off us and think of us as friends, not enemies. After 4 1/2 months of serving the Rebels, I noticed that the hatred grew on the side of the Rebels, but SeeD always looked at the Rebels as friends.
If you guys ever rebuild your clan, SeeD is there to help. There will be never a war. No serious ones between the clans though. Now please, look towards SeeD as a friend... Not enemies....
Spend the rest of your summer training, I see no war in the future. If you wish for a war... This may only be the beginning....
I hope to see you sometime friend...
This post has been edited by The Messiah: 26 June 2004 - 04:51 PM
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Posted 26 June 2004 - 04:52 PM
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| I thought in the least SeeD would accept some term of battle. It's just a game and it was only a war. You guyz take this too seriously. |
I'm sorry, but it is more than a "war" when you form a clan just to bring us down. A war is a competition in the wilderness to see which clan is more powerful. Two clans who wish to have the glory of victory in merely a competition between organized PKers. When a clan is formed with the sole purpose to bring us down it is more than a war because your goals cannot be accomplished in war. Merely a competition to see which clan is physically more powerful will not bring any clan down. Say you do somehow gain a victory, then what is the purpose of your clan after that? We will still be going as we always have and you can only go farther, and whether or not you say that you will go on you should realize that a group does think for itself.
The entire basis of a clan cannot be fulfilled in order to go on. Say that you form a clan to kill some new powerful dragon which requires a clan's effort to slay. Once the dragon is slain your clan does not have a purpose so it will try to go farther and maybe kill it more times. In the same respect, if Runescape were taken down it would end SeeD because our entire purpose revolves around it (unless we get the groups going in other games before then, hehe). We would probably fight for a while to get it back up because, as a clan, we would not just disband once our goals end. In the same way, a clan devoted entirely to our destruction would not just go away after a mere victory in the wilderness. It would almost positively go on and try to cause more problems until we're actually gone (not that it would happen, but it would be the implied goal).
For months and without any counters you flamed SeeD. Clans were turned against us. You were planning on raiding our board a few times, and eventually were planning on a war. Your overriding goal was to "bring down SeeD", and since your clan seemed to keep building up and doing more and more, I can only expect things to become worse if war is given to you. Therefore we used a more powerful means of ending the actual conflict than a form of competition in the wilderness.
As can be seen, words can be very powerful, and we were attempting to change your goals to something more positive which would benefit both of our clans. You could have gone after a clan that would actually give you a name or could have done something to broaden your clan's scope. By declaring that we would not go to war, we have proven that a clan does in fact revolve around a purpose. When we declared this, your clan's purpose became obsolete and you fought to make something out of it and continue, as was expected. Instead of changing to something more beneficial to you, however, your clan fell apart which is not what we intended. We tried to ease it in and give your clan a chance to change, but it was not taken and this is what happened. This is what would have happened also if you got your victory, we only gave you the chance to continue and thrive which was turned down by ignoring it...
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| You guyz take this too seriously. |
You can see that we don't want war, why are you going to start an entirely new clan and spend even more months just to get revenge? This started because a few mods annoyed you, and you are planning on spending more than a year of your time just to get revenge on our clan because of them. Please think this over.
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| I realized that my current clan is not capable for the task i wish to set out. I drove the clan too far into hatred for your clan that they where easily broken. Consider this clan a test. |
If you wish to succeed with a clan such as this, you need members who actually had affiliation with our clan at all and actually had something against us (not by just exaggerating one or two things which happened to you). Only a few of your members actually knew us or were members here at all, the others just followed because it seemed that it would lead your clan to become powerful. That is perfectly fine, but if the leader is so set against one clan, his/her clan does not have the ability to adapt and this is what would happen.
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Posted 26 June 2004 - 05:51 PM
| QUOTE (green121 @ Jun 26 2004, 05:46 PM) |
| I could argue back and contradict everything everybody is saying, but i won't. This was phase 2 and it was a success... I wanted to test myself and SeeD and I have done both. I know my abilities to formining a clan quickly and I know how far SeeD can be pushed. SeeD took the cowards way out and now I know what kind of Clan SeeD really is... I'm a very busy man...so if you could excuse me I have work to do. |
Green, maybe that would be best for you to leave.
On another note, welcome here everyone! My name is Supernova and I would like to help you guys in any way possible, just give me a shout. Don't be afraid of joining because Green might get mad; if your intent is to come here and stay, by all means come on in! If your intent is to come here and perpetuate the negative things that have happened over the course of this summer, please leave.
Well, welcome everybody! Enjoy your stay here!
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Posted 26 June 2004 - 05:57 PM
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| I could argue back and contradict everything everybody is saying, but i won't. |
Why don't you? If you have so many months to spend with getting revenge I'm sure that a few minutes to refute our entire case would not be a problem if you say you could.
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| SeeD took the cowards way out and now I know what kind of Clan SeeD really is... |
I would like for you to say something like that to someone who tries to help you in real life. I still don't know exactly what we did to you, all I know is that you tested our mods to see how far they could be pushed as well, until you were banned for it.
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Posted 26 June 2004 - 06:01 PM
| QUOTE (Cspace @ Jun 26 2004, 05:57 PM) |
| I would like for you to say something like that to someone who tries to help you in real life. I still don't know exactly what we did to you, all I know is that you tested our mods to see how far they could be pushed as well, until you were banned for it. |
Yes, that is true. I remember quite a few events where Green actually tried his hardest to get banned. It mainly happened in SeeD Chat so there is no "real" evidence to support my claims. I believe he got what he deserved (and what he was looking for); I don't know why he is taking so severe of actions.
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Posted 26 June 2004 - 06:14 PM
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| SeeD took the cowards way out and now I know what kind of Clan SeeD really is... |
You knew we wouldnt go to war right from the start, you never really learnt anything did you?
Green you wont succeed in bringing us down, maybey SeeD will end someday but it wont be because of you. For one thing there is very little to hate about SeeD af few mods sometimes make bad decisions, and some members have contradicting views but thats about it. Your members were told to hate SeeD, but very few of them had reason to sooner or later all the members that joined you without knowing of SeeD would have found out that we are a large peacfull clan who try to support their members and generally have fun.
That guy isnt going to go 'I hate them, because green said they do bad things' hes going to thin 'What the bleargh is meant to be wrong with these guys anyway'.
And like cspace said combat in the wild will not achive anything scince permanent death isnt in rs, it changes nothing other than a few items.
As for phase 2, what can you do differently, put spies in our clan to watch us talk about superchao getting 80 fletching (non existent example), nothing happens here that you can blackmail us with.
Sub commander of falador knights
4 SeeD emblems yay!!
My medals:
Dragon knight
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<B>DarkStorm Character Information</B>
Character Name: Saric
Class: Wizard
Race: Halfling
Hometown: Aderon <br>
<B>Character Stats:</B>
Total Stat Points: 26 (5 added by item)
Strength: 6
Intelligence: 15 (10 without bonus for staff)
Hit Points: 10
<B>Items:</B>
Staff of Saric:
Saric has owned this halfling made staff since he first trained to be a wizard, it has great sentimental value as well as magical worth.
Affects: +5 to intelligence<br>
Optional: Saric has been adventuring for many years now, he was originally a village mage but changed his course to adventuring after 2 years of this.<br>
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4 SeeD emblems yay!!
My medals:
Dragon knight
<TABLE>
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<td style="filter:dropshadow(color=black, strength=1)"><font color=white><marquee style="color: FFFFFFF" scrollamount=1 width=351 height=80 direction=up><center>
<B>DarkStorm Character Information</B>
Character Name: Saric
Class: Wizard
Race: Halfling
Hometown: Aderon <br>
<B>Character Stats:</B>
Total Stat Points: 26 (5 added by item)
Strength: 6
Intelligence: 15 (10 without bonus for staff)
Hit Points: 10
<B>Items:</B>
Staff of Saric:
Saric has owned this halfling made staff since he first trained to be a wizard, it has great sentimental value as well as magical worth.
Affects: +5 to intelligence<br>
Optional: Saric has been adventuring for many years now, he was originally a village mage but changed his course to adventuring after 2 years of this.<br>
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#42
The Messiah
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Posted 26 June 2004 - 08:04 PM
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| This was phase 2 and it was a success... |
Phase 2 was a success because you left your clan?
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| I wanted to test myself and SeeD and I have done both. I know my abilities to formining a clan quickly and I know how far SeeD can be pushed. |
SeeD is happening to being tested everyday. We are an anti Hacker, scammer, cheater community. Hacking, cheating, and scammer happens nearly every day in RS. Do you expect to also fight you in a war? SeeD cannot be pushed. A simple 'no' can end everything green.
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| SeeD took the cowards way out and now I know what kind of Clan SeeD really is... |
We have over 1500 members. We can simply take you guys out. We can simply form a Pking Clan for SeeD with our very own members and fight you and win. Rember this Green: You have a former ally on SeeD's side, I know all your weaknesses and strength. Let's not waste our times...
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| A chance to test my abilities at making a clan and leading tha clan to victory. |
Pick another clan to kill instead of SeeD. Mystic Dynasty and Runescape Dinasty happen to be good opponents, try them.
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| I have one more idea...one more plan. This one will take me awhile to prepare and accomplish...but I have my time. Farewell Cspace...I hope your clan lives a long and prosperous life...bleargh I know it will...becuase your too protective and boring as bleargh. |
Of course, waste more of your time... But don't. Please...
Green, I respect you for what you are. So does Cspace. Haven't you even noticed at all the times you and your members flamed SeeD and trashed them that they still considered you as friends and were going out the peaceful way? I'm sad that the AsA you took valuble hours to create is gone. Green I wish you the best of luck. If you ever create another clan, I am very glad to help, there is a guide somewhere on SeeD's forums to help.
Even if it is an AsA. We won't go to war and you won't destroy us. 
SeeD will live on forever. Green, instead of wasting plentiful hours on the computer getting SeeD to go to war with you, spend your time studying, otherwise you wouldn't be failing French. 
I wish you and hope you have a brighter future in Runescape and in real life. Cause whenever you need help, I'll be there to help.
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Posted 26 June 2004 - 08:13 PM
Green... I must say that this is all real sad.
While you're typing away about how blinded we in SeeD are, we're out having fun, planning events, chatting, just plain hanging out with each other having a good time. You remember how that was because You were a part of it as well, there's no denying that fact... You seem so stressed out, and that's a pity. I mean, you base your justification of war because it is fun... typing out a post that probably took 15-30 minutes just to gratify yourself with the 'final say' doesn't at all seem like much fun to me. During that time period, I went up a combat level.
Way back when you were 'stealing my couch' in chat was a lot more fun, or so I thought.
Basically i'm just saying you're out to have fun, and it looks like it's stressing you out(if it's not, i'll nominate you for an academy award), and during all that time we're having the fun you seek.
So: either you can join in our fun, or you could look elsewhere for the kind of fun you're looking for. It really is quite simple.
While you're typing away about how blinded we in SeeD are, we're out having fun, planning events, chatting, just plain hanging out with each other having a good time. You remember how that was because You were a part of it as well, there's no denying that fact... You seem so stressed out, and that's a pity. I mean, you base your justification of war because it is fun... typing out a post that probably took 15-30 minutes just to gratify yourself with the 'final say' doesn't at all seem like much fun to me. During that time period, I went up a combat level.
Way back when you were 'stealing my couch' in chat was a lot more fun, or so I thought.
Basically i'm just saying you're out to have fun, and it looks like it's stressing you out(if it's not, i'll nominate you for an academy award), and during all that time we're having the fun you seek.
So: either you can join in our fun, or you could look elsewhere for the kind of fun you're looking for. It really is quite simple.
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Posted 26 June 2004 - 08:16 PM
Green, get a life. Really dude. You've spent the last few months doing nothing but trying to ruin other people's fun. Thats really immature. Just leave okay? Your attempt at destroying us failed, and any other attempts at destroying us will also fail because we will not go down to your level. So please go away. Thanks... 
Oh, By the way. Messiah. I'm still waiting for you to PM me. My name is the same on Runescape as it is on here. PM block is off. I'm on now. You Can PM me too Green, if you wanna talk about this whole thing.
Oh, By the way. Messiah. I'm still waiting for you to PM me. My name is the same on Runescape as it is on here. PM block is off. I'm on now. You Can PM me too Green, if you wanna talk about this whole thing.
This post has been edited by ratzaroony: 26 June 2004 - 08:21 PM
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#45
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Posted 26 June 2004 - 08:21 PM
| QUOTE (Ferret Overlord @ Jun 26 2004, 08:44 AM) |
| No. Hacking is a federal offense, and while you may not live under those rules because you're not living in the US, I do. |
Don't worry he lives well-within the U.S. I'll not say where since he probably doesn't want it given out, but it is within the U.S. and therefore could be prosecuted for hacking (if he chooses to hack).
Those who will remember, will speak fondly of the warm morning breeze.