The Rebels Have Broken Up

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#46 ${lang:macro__useroffline}$ Ferret Overlord

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Posted 26 June 2004 - 09:35 PM

QUOTE (green121 @ Jun 26 2004, 01:46 PM)

I'm a very busy man...so if you could excuse me I have work to do.

We never invited you, so by all means, leave.
Is that work on a new clan? Another clan to somehow bring us down?

Green, if it makes you happy, you destroyed us. We're crumbling beneath your stare. Now shoo.

This post has been edited by Ferret Overlord: 26 June 2004 - 09:39 PM

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#47 ${lang:macro__useroffline}$ LordDragoonX

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Posted 26 June 2004 - 09:39 PM

QUOTE (The Messiah @ Jun 26 2004, 08:04 PM)

We have over 1500 members. We can simply take you guys out. We can simply form a Pking Clan for SeeD with our very own members and fight you and win. Rember this Green: You have a former ally on SeeD's side, I know all your weaknesses and strength. Let's not waste our times...

SeeD may have +1500 members but they arent active only about 50-60 are active and if you dont believe me check there date of regestering to the forums and there posts.

We march... We march to war... We march... We fight... We are Spartans. Blood will fall, but it will not be ours... We march... Sparta is war reborn... we are the children of war... We are Spartans.
I am Leonidas, and this is my story. I have met the wolf, felt its bite, and I have survived. These new wolves are neverending, but Sparta will show true might. Though we fall, still we will come for we are war incarnate. I have started this, and so must I finish it. Xerxes shall die, this I, Leonidas, warlord of Sparta, do say. This is the story of the 300... the story of Spartan heroism. Though we bled the ground red at Thermopolyae, still we live on.
War is Sparta, We are Spartans. We are War!

#48 ${lang:macro__useroffline}$ Ferret Overlord

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Posted 26 June 2004 - 10:31 PM

Actually, we have around 120 members active. But there's 11 pages of peple who never even made 1 post. Tis sad, to have bragging rights runed by fact.

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#49 ${lang:macro__useroffline}$ Cspace

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Posted 27 June 2004 - 04:17 AM

Not everyone in SeeD uses the forums, many of those 1-post members check the site or keep up to date with our happenings through other members. Many are quite active in Runescape and still consider themselves SeeDs, and some are quite strong. In a war all it takes is a message to them and they will be there.

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So what makes you think I'm trying to destroy your clan by fighting you in war. That was all I asked for in the beginning. Sure I often use the phrase "take down SeeD!" or "Destroy the SeeD's!" Thats just me expressing that I want to take down SeeD, But i can't. The best i can do is beat you in a war. Ya know I thought i was just giving SeeD a little excitement.

Then please explain how you would want to hack:

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and yes if I could I would hack you. So would any true Rebelz...

It is not just war when you were constantly trying to get players to hate our guts and such tactics as forum raids and hacking are discussed. The general hate toward us particularly is most harmless though, flaming is used when someone feels offended or threatened by something and need to sound stronger, and explitives are used when no better word could be thought of. All we have to do is say "no" and we will not be affected by any of this... Also, if hacking is used I am just letting you know that you can have legal action taken against you. Not only is hacking illegal in general, but money would be lost on our part and that will just make things worse for you. Do yourself a favor and do not try, our server is in a protected datacenter with professionals monitoring access to the server 24/7 and we are able to track it; you would not get away.

We will not, however, blame the Rebels for the whole mess. As I said we will not blame their clan because of a few members, for regardless of what any member believes, every member in the clan does not necessarily believe the same thing and we will not blame them for that. We still have positive wishes for every one of their members, and hope that they either join a clan that suits them or reform the Rebels with longer-lasting and more beneficial goals.

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Cspace your trapped in some false circle that you can't seem to break. I've openly announced that I have had promblems with mods...so what. That has nothing to do with this or me. That is the least from my mind when I think of SeeD.

Then you forget the deceptive "wrongs" that were mentioned in order to establish your clan in the first place. It is no longer about what anyone did to you, however minor, but it is now just about your personal wishes to see us fall apart if you could manage it.

We know more about this than you believe, doing something as unusual as posting a "Declaration of No War" was not intended to get us out of a war. It was intended to solve the conflict that you were trying to bring us, and at the same time we were giving your clan the opportunity to thrive by providing pressure to change its goals to something which will get you somewhere (change from something which would eventually end the Rebels in time due to a number of underlying factors in group-dynamics).

Green, we are not against you, yet you still try to drive us into the dirt in any way possible. You're spending many months to accomplish this for no reason when you could be targeting a clan that would willingly challenge you; a war from which you could potentially give yourself and your clan a name.

Think this through, no one will look down on you if you end your pointless hostilities, and we will remain neutral if you continue.

This post has been edited by Cspace: 27 June 2004 - 05:56 AM

#50 ${lang:macro__useroffline}$ Styledragon1

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Posted 27 June 2004 - 06:20 AM

Cspace He didnt establish the clan because of those wrongs He wasnt the only establisher I helped him establish it and I knew of the war he planned.I never told anyone hoping I could stop him from doing it.Then some odd things were done and freindships destroyed.My plan backfired on me and so did his.So this is one whole backfired plan and again I say he is not the only establisher so he can not be blamed for establishing the clan he did make it the present day.He can not take full blame no matter what says I helped him establish it and thats all I can say.

#51 ${lang:macro__useroffline}$ Cspace

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Posted 27 June 2004 - 12:46 PM

QUOTE (Styledragon1 @ Jun 27 2004, 01:20 AM)

I know, the "wrongs" were mentioned to his members later to help turn them against us in the first place however. I am not positive of everything that happened in the very beginning but early on he was explaining how we were basically the boogey men and needed to be taken down. He continued to mention that we "wronged" him and never really explained exactly how until he was bugged to do so by a few members, and then he exaggerated what really happened. Yes, some mods did cause him trouble, but what he was saying is basically the same thing as a criminal saying that someone shot at him without mentioning that the criminal shot first.

Nothing happened to us though and he can be forgiven as the rest of his clan. We will not dwell too much on the past; we are willing to look ahead and see what can come out of this and how everyone can win in the future. I am just afraid that Green is too set on his goal for anyone to tell him otherwise however, and I hope that he can see that what he is doing right now is a mistake.

#52 ${lang:macro__useroffline}$ Ferret Overlord

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Posted 27 June 2004 - 12:56 PM

Excuse me, but why do you, Green, want to bring us down? Was it because you were banned? From what I hear, many people liked you, so why are you forming a rebellion against them? Okay, sure. You've had problems with mods. Does that mean you need to hack and raid our boards? Cspace proceed.

This post has been edited by Ferret Overlord: 27 June 2004 - 12:59 PM

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#53 ${lang:macro__useroffline}$ Goto

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Posted 27 June 2004 - 12:57 PM

Ironically enough the conflict Green tried to perpetuate only seems to have unified SeeD somewhat. And with any luck some of your previous members will decide to join, giving us a source of new members.

You've aided SeeD, and for that I thank you...

#54 ${lang:macro__useroffline}$ XX_Power_XX

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Posted 27 June 2004 - 01:17 PM

First off Green, I know this was mentioned before, but to show you how serious hacking is, here is what the punishment for cracking is (in the US, your countries could possibly more severe, you could also be charged in America for attacking an American forum.):

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Hacking is covered under law Title 18: Crimes and Criminal Procedure: Part 1: Crimes: Chapter 47: Fraud and False Statements: Section 1030: Fraud and related activity in connection with computers. The federal punishment for hacking into computers ranges from a fine or imprisonment for no more than one year to a fine and imprisonment for no more than twenty years. This wide range of punishment depends upon the seriousness of the criminal activity and what damage the hacker has done.

Just to let you know, hackers are good. Hackers are people for hire; companies who usually get a new secuirity system hire hackers and see if the hackers can find any flaws in their system, but they do not cause any damage.

Crackers are people who hack to damage things, find out information, or etc...

#55 ${lang:macro__useroffline}$ obiwan22

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Posted 27 June 2004 - 02:18 PM

QUOTE (XX_Power_XX @ Jun 27 2004, 08:17 AM)

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Umm, hacking is very serious in all, but I seriously doubt he's gonna get jail time for hacking a board based on a game...

#56 ${lang:macro__useroffline}$ Ferret Overlord

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Posted 27 June 2004 - 03:52 PM

QUOTE (XX_Power_XX @ Jun 27 2004, 09:17 AM)

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No soup for you! Hackers are good when hired for the government. When they work on thei own, they evil!

Anyway, Green was [discussing] cracking (up crime. Heehee!), there's no doubt in that. Green was discussing being a cracker. Who's dat cracka?

Anyway, the truly illegal hacking is hacking computers, which he could very much do if he hacked the forums. He could get peoples email address and use it through some program to take their access code and whatnot. That would only happen if he was purely dedicated to destruction of our computers and our lives, but still, it could happen.

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#57 ${lang:macro__useroffline}$ obiwan22

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Posted 27 June 2004 - 03:56 PM

Lol, if he hacked the forums, only person who would probably be safe is Base, and we all know what he'd do if Green hacked the forum....

#58 ${lang:macro__useroffline}$ Ferret Overlord

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Posted 27 June 2004 - 04:14 PM

Of course we do...

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#59 ${lang:macro__useroffline}$ Cspace

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Posted 27 June 2004 - 06:45 PM

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Hehe, exactly.

I was wondering if anyone would bring that up sometime or another, hehe. Hackers and crackers use similar means, though cracking is the actual name for the kind of "hacking" that we are talking about. "Cracking" into computers and either obtaining information or doing something else malicious is what you can go to jail for (as would "hacking" into our server). On the contrary, however, "hackers" are the ones who improve programs and operating systems. They are actually brilliant in the field of software engineering because they have to know the fundamental workings behind a computer's operating system and find ways to either add functionality or improve their functionality. To tell the truth, Linux, a very stable and fast spreading operating system for servers and some PCs, was created almost entirely by "hackers". They developed basically an open source operating system which is above other operating systems in a number of aspects; unfortunately its use requires a good understanding of the computer as well and is not geared toward normal users.

I don't know why "hackers" received a negative image, I have a feeling that when "crackers" first became a threat to home users they just thought the word "cracker" sounded funny (like something you eat, hehe). "Hacker" I guess has that malicious sound to it.

He didn't crack into our site though so we shouldn't really be discussing it seriously. Just saying what would happen, and since money, months of work, and privacy could be lost (and that we practically own the server) the penalties would be increased. We will be conducting an actual company through CurvedSpace soon (software), and that is part of the reason that this is more serious. In terms of this, while the community mostly consists of SeeD, it is CurvedSpace which is powering all this and will allow for more to be happening in the future.

#60 ${lang:macro__useroffline}$ vietpryde

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Posted 27 June 2004 - 06:51 PM

QUOTE (XX_Power_XX @ Jun 27 2004, 09:17 AM)

Crackers are people who hack to damage things, find out information, or etc...

Aren't crackers a racist remark for white people?

I'm sorry if this offended anyone

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