[Cspace]

Green requested to be deleted and he has been. He also does not plan on causing us anymore harm so we can let things go into the history where they belong instead of letting this drama continue. I will wait a little bit to be sure that this is really over, and if it is I believe that we're leaving the era of conflict behind. If he wishes to return he is welcome, as are all Rebels. If he or anyone else wishes to reform their clan, we are still here to help if needed.

Anyway, we will be entering a new period, much awaited for more than half a year and possibly planned for a year and a half... Some were calling it the golden age, one I believe said that it would be our time of honor or destiny, but whatever it becomes it will definitely be where we have always wished to head. No longer are we "trying to bring back the old SeeD", we have become who we were in terms of our unity but have progressed and matured in so many other ways... We could never go back, nor should we think of doing so.

We have succeeded with ending our conflicts and have strengthened from them.

We should look at the future, Runescape and everything has changed and our clan has evolved, but as always we will be able to adapt and grow in activity and the quality of our clan. Let's leave these situations behind and go on, but consider it experience for future situations that may stand in our way. As always, let's just have fun... let's just be SeeD, and I'll guarantee that you will point us in the right direction, whatever it may be.

We are now taking action on the major goals of our previous "future of SeeD" posts. The past months may have slowed this progress but were necessary for other reasons, proving that we can get through anything and grow from any situation.

Remember the "Peacekeepers of Runescape" idea? In a slightly different manner we are implementing this through the Legion of Aderon. Although it started slowly it is starting to pick up, and while this is not an alliance of anti-rulebreaker fanatics (it's still a game and we should play it, hehe) we are spreading the influence that is necessary for players everywhere to take a part in this. What we are doing is stopping players from ignoring an incident, and instead doing something about it when they see it. No one needs to look for these incidents, if we have enough who know of our message that will have more of a lasting and widespread impact. This will only continue to spread, and along with what Jagex is implementing I'm sure that Runescape will change gradually.

Remember "SeeD in other games"? That is happening directly as was stated with a few changes to make this possible, and potentially explode if there is enough support. No longer will members necessarily leave because they lose interest in Runescape. Also, our scope will broaden as a result, giving members many more things to do with SeeD and more ways to impact the clan on different levels. This is also a great chance for new leadership opportunities. All the way around this will benefit SeeD with activity in every aspect of our community and provide members with countless things to do in our clan in different areas (as well as Runescape of course, activity will probably increase from this).

You should focus on what you enjoy in SeeD and make it your ideal clan, and please tell your friends who do not use the forums to check them out sometimes. We are basically trying to provide members with some of everything involving a Runescape clan, or any gaming clan in general for that matter. PKing, parties, community, economy, friendship, unity, and everything else in between. You want it? We have it, and if we don't you can make it! This is and has been a clan based on the members, the leaders are trying to let the clan steer itself unless otherwise necessary. It is up to you to make SeeD worthwhile for you, we have the opportunities and they are ready to be taken.

Thank you to everyone for making everything possible up until now, let's just keep making things better even when it doesn't seem that we can and see where we can go!

[serpharimon]

so... when's the update?

[Glammeress]

[Raktor]

I don't exactly see SeeD as a democracy... I only see moderators, super moderators and admins with power, no members have any power as far as I'm concerned.

SeeD *is* what the leaders make it. It's what they choose to do in a conflict, they choose to do in their own life which affects what happens on our forums. It's if they choose to take action on something that's happened, they choose to ban a member for something they've done. That iks what makes SeeD.

We haven't succeeded with ending our conflicts but we have strengthened from them. That it how I'd rephrase it to. I know some people think there's no more conflicts, or I know some people like to think it that way, but personally I still see a lot of conflicts, one of which I'm in the middle of right now ,and which the leaders will probably do something about soon.

Let's just be SeeD. I don't see that happening anytime soon, as I've seen people be SeeD, and all they get is warnings, being yelled at by moderators and sometimes banishment. We have to be the 'straightened up robot people' SeeD, not the SeeD which has fun by saying things they really mean, and posting things they really want to say.

Remember the "Peacekeepers of Runescape" idea? I do, and I haven't actually seen ANYTHING come from it at all... The legion forum in inactive, same goes for the clan mediators, which I don't find to be effective anyway. Half the clans who join the legion are just joining to basically promote themselves. The other half haven't posted one bit, and half their sites don't have the Legion's forum. Then, the other half which has it doesn't use it. No member knows what it's for, and the occasional one that does can't be bothered posting in there. And JAGeX seems to have actually got on the ball, they have started including player moderators ingame, but I've literally seen one player moderator since they were released. And can they even kick off autoers? No, all they can do is shut up autotypers, which doesn't really matter to me, JAGeX also put in an ignore buton for a reason...

Remember "SeeD in other games"? I see it, but I don't see any posts... No longer will members necessarily leave because they lose interest in Runescape. No, they'll leave because of the inactivity in their games forum. And some of the 'leaders' don't even post in there, let alone the other people who lay the game, and everyone who joins the SeeD's in other games gets bored quicker than if they were playing Runescape.

You should focus on what you enjoy in SeeD and make it your ideal clan. If SeeD was my ideal clan, I can tell you a lot of things would be different, things which I can't change at the moment, even though the members supposedly steer this clan, which I would actually like an example of. Preferably a MEMBER, no moderator, and not one of Cspace's little school buddies...

Anyway, we will be entering a new period. And this changes...what...? Nothing, it's just a little name, no need to make a fuss over it.

[Ferret Overlord]

[vietpryde]

[Killerconvic]

[Baseballl]

I hate to say it, but Bigbro hit it "almost" exactly on the nose. Conflicts have not stopped. Members don't even see ALL the conflicts that MODS have in the Moderator Discussion, we fight ALL THE TIME over stupid reasons.

Seed can't move into the "Golden Age" because people get insulted for saying their opinions or they insult people and cover up the insult by saying it was their opinion.

Seed isn't run by its members, but it isn't run by the "leaders" either. Cspace runs the clan 100% and others don't have a say in anything except updates and mods. Most enjoy hiding from the truth to make Seed look almighty, but the members here aren't helping us become "almighty".

Thats my 2 cents.

[Grand one]

Wow big, talk about not being afraid to disagree!

Im with cspace apart from the fact that everytime we have a thread like this the main point is allways how to stop petty squables. Its sorta like e3 2003 (I wasnt there but) nintendo only taked about connectivity and a puzzle game and nothing on mario182. They did their job better in E3 04 they owned the show however!

Enough off topic , looks like a good future. Will we be trying the clan blacksmith idea again?

[Killerconvic]

[Cspace]

[Raktor]

*Hits cspace* Mine was supposed to stay a long post, and you just go and post one three times the length

I felt proud of that, now I don't anymore

[Cspace]

Regarding conflicts, again, no community can be completely rid of them. Most either ignore them or just ban troublemakers; both of these solutions make no conflict a big deal and will always give the impression that they are not existent. Such as with a number of Runescape communities, it is very common for almost every RS idea brought up by a player to be directly put down, the one who posted the idea is harmed, and no one considers it a problem. If someone flames, often he/she is banned if it is not allowed. If it is allowed, then a community becomes a flamefest because everyone is trying to outflame everyone else. In this situation, one situation comes up and it spreads and everyone starts fighting and cussing. This becomes a habit, and before you know it the place becomes very negative... but no one complains because those who remain don't mind. Many are hurt in the process however and this is not a worthwhile purpose of a community.

In our situation we don't treat these situations lightly. The best scenario would be if everyone were capable of seeing multiple angles and do not perpetuate their own conflicts. For example, one person may post something slightly offensive, it could be argued over AIM or something, and then brought back as a major situation (if the members don't wish to perpetuate their conflict it can end before becoming a big problem). Instead of banning we try to solve the problem and this practically places it in the spotlight. One insult could bring about a big deal here, while one insult is generally not a big deal elsewhere. It is when members (often those few who repeatedly caused problems) bring a conflict here that the moderators need to do something. They are conducting the community and are obligated to do something in such situations... Otherwise why do we even have moderators in the first place?

Addition: Many asked me why troublemakers are not just banned. Those who are truly trying to harm us are, such as hackers or those who do nothing but flame for the sake of flaming. Often those who those members considered "troublemakers" have reasons for what they did and did not actually try to harm us. Our intentions would be to solve the situation and help all members involved, not throw one out. Why must we resort to banning our own members over situations which could be solved in other ways? If we have to resort to a ban we failed, for it is going against our purpose as a community.

[Baseballl]

In my opinion, we should not have Moderators because it is a symbol of power that you don't have. We should have select Super Mods (the ones now) and nobody else. The mods we have now could be promoted to Smod, but with a very tight choosing process.

[Cspace]