[vietpryde]

I'm almost 100% sure those pictures are fake. Green told me that Style did it, not Remzo. Remzo wasn't even in the clan at that time. there were only 3 admins during that time, Green, Blue, and Styledragon.

[ratzaroony]

[Styledragon1]

Oh wow And Veit those are real in fact is Blue I did nothing of the sort....I was loyal to the rebels I told green not to just have destroy SeeD as a goal in the begining Some rebels also did not want to just destroy them....I do not know where Blue came from and those pics arnt fake....If you believed him then i myself am insulted that you think I would have destroyed my own clan....also rat have you been here listening to what big has been saying yet you still have respect for him?

This post has been edited by Styledragon1: 11 July 2004 - 04:17 PM

[Cspace]

As sorry as I am to say this, everyone is free to come and go. We have always said that if SeeD is not the place for you, you are free to leave. We are sorry to see members leave but please don't try to "go out with a bang" and cause trouble to get revenge for something that you may be angry about. You don't need to cut contacts with friends, you don't need to bring down those who may have made a mistake, and you don't need to attempt to hurt the clan as a whole. I will say that doing so is very immature, and if you decide to do so a mod is likely to do something about it as they should. If anyone leaving tries to hurt another member then a mod should do something about it directly. If you wish to get angry at me, get angry at me, but don't take it out on others... please.

[vietpryde]

[Styledragon1]

Remzo did destroy the clan Remzo is blue under a different name.....I was balmed for it all cause I was still freinds with SeeD's....

[Essence]

My mistake. I confuzzed myself with Remzo and Slip. They both screwed me over anyway

I've hinted this a few timez but I had no intention of this clan to take you out. It was my demo clan. Few ppl wanted to make this clan...so it was created it and the clan kept growing. Then i put it to good use on pushing SeeD to see how far they would go. You wouldn't war with me and you tried desperately to make peace and say you wish to help us so you wouldn't have to fight us. It was also a very sneaky way to make your clan helpful instead of weak. Which SeeD is both. Since I let the clan fail many spys have come out and I now have a list of Ip's. I know now what Gunblade is capable of and I now know that if I should create another clan that I shall be the soul leader. Mods will have powers of only one room..so that if they decide to double cross they will only be able to do the minimal damage.

This has all be planned out from the beginning, however things change over time. I did not forsee a cross from both of my admins. I had no idea that my allies would be so brash. When I left the clan I didn't know how angry some of the true rebelz would get and wsa surprised to see how effective gunblade had tricked me.

Cspace I said that all I wanted was a war...and i meant it. I said a lot to try and get a war out of you and none of it worked. I said i would keep trying until I won. I said i would only fight once. I said i would destroy my clan if you won...i said many things...but they all meant the same thing. War...war which wouldn't have done anything to your clan other then show them how weak they are and a message to all mods, do not treat your members like you did me.

You continue to say that I was trying to hack you, but thats not the case. Somebody came to me and said that they where a hacker and that they would try and hack Cspace's account. I never ordered a hacking. I didn't go around asking for a hacker. He came to me and he told me what he was goin to try and do. Thats where it ended. Obviously he didn't succeed.

The Rebels where a clan for mistakes. I made mistakes and now I know. Now i have a handful of Ip's and now I know who to trust and who not to trust.

Like I said before, things change. Slip was the last straw. You broke me. You've done enough damage to me to last a life time. I will concentrate on my character. I may one day create another clan...but I will not make it souly apon taking SeeD out. That was one of my mistakes....

I pushed too hard and all you had to do was say "NO" and then everything fell apart. What I thought made us strong was really what destroyed us in the end. A clan with one goal...one purpose. Revenge. It had never been done before and it attracted many members. It was a great clan...and ppl are still coming to me saying they will fight. Saying that i should rebuild a clan. People who want me to join thier clan to start where i left off. I have denied them all. I am broken...just a life less body with no spirit. I don't feel like making jks. I don't feel like talking to ppl. I'm goin back to the way i've always been. A silent person who keeps to himself. SeeD was the first place I tried to open myself up to ppl. I tried to be freindly (i'm not a friendly person). I tried to make friends and i tried to make ppl laugh. I was ridiculed and shot down and joined the anti seed. (You know the story...)

Again, I have no intention of creating a clan souly on taking SeeD out, but if this clan one day exists and SeeD is one day in trouble and is forced into a war. I'll be there. Even if I don't have a clan I'll be there!!!

I know some of your members have some sense and they see the wrong in all this, but they won't do anything. They might say something...but you'll talk them into seeing things YOUR way. They won't take action. They don't have the heart. I know some of them tried to join me...but I knew this clan wasn't goin to go all the way so I denied them. I did that for them....so that they didn't make a mistake. It would have been a mistake for them to leave SeeD....becuase they deserve SeeD. You all deserve to be here....

I don't ...I am one of the lucky few who deserves better. I don't need a clan that won't accept me. I don't need to argue with ppl I don't know over the littlest things. I am a real person willing to fight for what I beleive in. You Cspace are one of those low lives who is afraid to fight. You know you are...It was only a fight...it was a battle between two clans. A clash to remember. You didn't want that clash...it could have harmed your rep if you lost. I understand....becuase it's understandable. Some ppl are strong and noble....and others are sneaky and afraid.

I know you can argue that I'm not a noble person. That I in turn am the one who is sneaky but it's not true. From the beginning I wanted nothing but war. If I had to put away my true person to try and force a war ...I would have. Why? It's what I beleived was right. How could it not be right. I was disgraced and humiliated infront of my friends. Some of them even turned on me for no apparenet reason. I was just the new guy who was looking for trouble. For those who knew me before I was mistreated i was the new guy making ppl laugh and trying to be accepted. I understand that in a clan this size it is hard to find acceptece....that thier are always somebody who doesn't like you. Sure, SeeD says this almost every time when somebody like me finally gets up and says something. Stands up for themselves. Those ppl who arn't willing to give a person a chance are the ones who started this. So i wanted to see how SeeD operated and I did. I found that the mods weren't punishing thier members...thats not a crime. If they had done thier job then I wouldn't have had to push them to see when they would punish me. They should have given me the warning maybe a secound warning and then have done something about it. They didn't and thats on them. So you can stop bringing that up as if I'm a bad guy for doin that.

My clan failed becuase I wanted it to die. I had pushed SeeD long and hard enough and I saw where you where willing and where you weren't willing to go. I only feel sorry for myself on how foolish i've been. I should have never joined SeeD....i should have continued to live my life as I always have. I don't need anybody. I didn't need SeeD. I proved that when I created a clan to take down SeeD. This isn't the #1 Reason...this is just one of the hundreds of reasons why i created my clan (i'm tired of ppl asking for my top reason).

Even though the latest news about Slip has hurt alot...i've still had fun. I stood up for myself and I did something. I made my first clan....and it was successful, up to a point. I put forth a goal and I was prepared to achieve it. I am very proud of myself and I care not how SeeD feels about me or what I've done. I am my own person....I don't like for others to make my decisions or to flame ppl. I'm glad to see that you are putting forth the effort to control your mods and what not....but it's a little too late.

This is the best peace clan around....but it's not helping runescape anymore then eveyrbody else is helping runescape. It's not preventing scams and hackings. You are helping...but so are soo many other clans and ppl. SeeD things it's so great becuase of what they are trying to accomplish.

The only thing I disagree with your goal is the part about abolishing "Destroy-them-all" clans. They are just part of the Runescape world. You have no right to take that away. Those who make clans or join clans should understand the potential threat they are putting themselves in. When they do this they interact with other ppl who play the game. They share stories and they share banks and their stats. As a clan they may have to have wars...and they should know and understand this. A Destruction clan should not be targeted out for doin nothing but keeping this game interesting. If every clan was a peace clan...then we'd have no wars. Sure you'll bring up friendly wars....but it's not the same! Do you see nations having friendly wars? NO!!! Ppl who like to kill will join Destructions clans...and those who like to protect will join the targeted clans. Not to mention that wars bring clans closer together. Coming out of a defeat means that your members will have to hold true and strong to rebuild the clan that just took a hit. Clans draw strength from defeats...just does everything. Insects that where always attacked and eaten later produce poison. Everything must fight and they must learn from their mistakes and become stronger.

I'm done with clans and i'm done with false friendships.

This post has been edited by Essence: 11 July 2004 - 04:53 PM

[Styledragon1]

So you basically used me and the rebels?If you did that....I relly hate you if you did use us to see how far SeeD would go...

[Cspace]

Everyone please stop, Green (and anyone else) does not need to be insulted for this. Green is not a bad person. We knew this all along, this is why we tried not to bring down his clan. His clan had everything except one thing to succeed and it still possibly can if it is reassembled (not saying by SeeD, but if needed we can assist). Green, you can think we're weak if you'd like, but it is not the war that we were avoiding. We were trying to avoid the conflict that was being brought about by your boards. I did not say that you tried to hack, I said that there was talk about it. There was also talk about raiding our site and just trying to cause trouble in general. This is not war, this is just trying to hurt the fabric of the SeeD and its members. A war is one thing, it is just a competition (it can determine the strength of clans), it is not a way to solve a problem brought about by hate.

Green, you are saying that we are not accepting you, but you have many friends in SeeD and we are willing to accept you if you can accept us for who we are. We are here to help one another, have events, conduct a friendly community, and enhance the game for everyone in SeeD. Due to our numbers we are capable of helping other players as well. We do not go around trying to destroy "destroy-em-all" clans. We will, however, aid clans that desire assistance when one causes them trouble in this way. We have events of all types and war can happen if it is not brought about by a situation such as this. With Slip in his position I'm sure that you, too, can agree that we would know everything about what you plan and could counter that in a wartime situation.

Our single purpose is not to stop rulebreakers. Our main purpose is to have fun, something that some members have been trying to compromise. Due to our numbers we became capable of also helping other players and clans. Whether from rulebreakers or other situations we are willing to help. The following short story (summarized) relates to this directly:

One morning a man was walking on the beach and saw a child throwing clams that washed ashore during the night back into the ocean. These clams, if left ashore, would naturally dry up and die when the sun rises.

The man walked up to the child and said, "Why are you doing this? You couldn't possibly make any impact on the thousands of clams on this beach."

The child threw another back into the ocean and said, "Well it matters to this one."

I'll end with that.

[rebel4eva]

[Styledragon1]

So basically the other rebel faction are the ones that didnt want war...I knew it whats their site...

[Cspace]

[sk8rdude2]

Hi, I am Sk8 former memeber of the rebels.

Cspace is right green is a good person and a bleargh of a leader, infact prob a better leader then cspace. Well thats beside the point I came here to make.

Your story is all wrong. Me, Nickamin, and Remzo (aka blue) did not like the way slip was leading the clan. Slip is a good person, but not the leader type. So we (nick me and remzo) decided to start our own clan, which we did. We made Clan Fear. We finshed the forums and site, then posted it on rebel forums. We took everyone who was good or had any value to the clan. Soon after that green posted on the forums and said he was quitting the rebels and slip would be the leader. Slip had no other choice, but declare the clan dead.

BTW, Remzo (aka blue) did destory the forums and did try to frame style. Slip also had proof of this with pictures. We also did know about everything. We knew what you were planning and who all was working for you.

thank you for your time,

Sk8

[Muler]

[vietpryde]

-.- I knew I was right I told Green it was Blue (I don't remember him changing his name back then. It was Blue before the incident and Blue after it.)