[cowmanass]

well i just joined about a month ago but.....id say just wait till summer......if things arent better by july then u got a problem but otherwise.....just wait it out...another thing u may wanta think about is publisisty......i mean with zybez and tip.it giving out clan boards in centralized places those clans are getting alot of members while few ppl will ever even no seed exsists...

This post has been edited by cowmanass: 03 May 2003 - 03:34 AM

[Astral]

'cowmanass' makes an interesting point, SeeD isnt realy a well known Clan, infact i cant even remember how I found the place , so why should it be SeeD that is targeted while there are manny other Clans more powerfull and with more reasons to wage war (of a sort) against.
and also with coment to Last Saiyan0's post it whoudlnt make any difference wether our forums where open to guests or not, Players of enemy clans can still join and infultrate the clan, we can only restrict clan recruits to known enemys, not unknown enemys.... a point worth considering, which means nobody in SeeD can be said to be Loyal (excluding Cspace ofcourse). makes you think doesent it?... or do i should like a crackpot conspiricy theorist?

[Cspace]

The truth is that no clans with over 100 members have no enemies. I have been to numerous sites and talked with some of the leaders, I have yet to find one without clan enemies (not talking about single players, but other clans). Since the conflict with Mittens, Gunblade has been preventing conflicts with numerous clans, and has been successful with the exception of the Second Rebellion War (Operation Phoenix). But I am afraid that due to our size and an "invisible" network between players (members that know people in other clans, and they know others in other clans, etc.), though SeeD is not well known, other clans hear about us. There are those few who wish to make us seem like enemies and try to cause problems (they find it a challenge or something), and rumors spread. Then you start hearing threats from other clans and conflicts begin. Unfortunately there are clans that just have fun with destroying other clans, and these are our enemies.

SeeD has never ignored these threats, but they have been kept undercover to prevent "throwing gasoline on the flame". In other words, if the entire clan got involved, more conflicts are almost guaranteed to come up.

As for members quitting, all that I know of are due to problems between members. This is why I posted about our unity, for this is not something the leaders can solve. If everyone wants SeeD to have a bright future like before, you must do what you can to at least be friendly to one another (at the least).

As for the Special Ops, I can see how conflicts may be appearing. What everyone does not realize is that the Special Ops is based on stopping rulebreakers and hackers, not enemy clans and conflicts. The secrecy of the Special Ops shouldn't be a cause of tension any more than Gunblade, for Gunblade's security far outweighs the Special Ops. Not even the Special Ops or Generals know of Gunblade's operations or members.

As everyone probably knows, a lot is currently happening behind the scenes in Gunblade, and even we don't know the potential size of a shadow that looms ahead of us. This shadow of two potential enemies will not stop our progress, but the next month or two may be a little rough. If Gunblade alone cannot provide the necessary light to remove this shadow, SeeD may become involved in our largest inter-clan conflict so far... But we have grown much since when we had 30 members, and even then conflicts would not stand in our way.

Feel free to send me questions regarding this possible conflict, and I may post more later.

[X Zolon]

LOL cspace. you made me feel a lot better. but what will happen if gunblade fails? do we plunge into all out war, or are we going to surrender and disband. i dont cafre what happens. if i have to give p my character. i will never see seed go down. not on my life. LONG LIVE SEED! LONG LIVE CSPACE!!

[serpentfight]

Cspace as a member of seed i will be as helpful as i can as a member(an other) i will help u as much as i can

An another thing if you guys dont already know im with special Ops **** im Second in command of it an i want all of you to know one thing that cspace an others have already said

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Special Ops is based on stopping rulebreakers and hackers, not enemy clans and conflicts.

An with this said i would like it if all the talk about special ops ceased because its not much more then a few of us cracking down on hackers an scammers an Gunblade(which im not apart of ) handles all of the stuff for the clan like the enemy's an other important stuff.

[X Zolon]

hmm... i sure hope we get some updates about the gunblade thing from cspace. as i said, i will sacrifice my life to let seed live.

[Baseballl]

everyone needs to stop fighting over someone selling bones for 5gp and then soemone comes in and sells for 15gp. the person that sld for more gets yelled at and criticised.

also people need to stop talking about Special Ops, etc... we may help with some conflicts, but stopping rulebreakers is our number 1 goal.

[Cspace]

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LOL cspace. you made me feel a lot better. but what will happen if gunblade fails? do we plunge into all out war, or are we going to surrender and disband. i dont cafre what happens. if i have to give p my character. i will never see seed go down. not on my life.

Gunblade won't "fail", but if the conflict becomes too large to keep undercover, it will unfortunately lead to war. We will not surrender or disband since I know for a fact that SeeD will be able to handle the potential enemy.

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hmm... i sure hope we get some updates about the gunblade thing from cspace. as i said, i will sacrifice my life to let seed live.

I will keep everyone informed with information that will not cause difficulties in Gunblade's operations.

[CongressJon]

I understand this, and I am always ready to help. I am ready to fight if needed (No, I'm not saying I want to, or that I am predicting it. I am just saying I will if needed for some reason ) I believe that if it possibly gets to big for Gunblade, then we should work together as a team with Special Ops. If it gets even too big for that, then there will be no otehr choice but to go to war. But I'm not hoping for that, so I'll just look on the bright side of things .

Note: I definately do not think we should even THINK about war unless we have numerous threats or something like that.

[Astral]

I whould also like to pledge my complete alegence to SeeD
I will also fight to the death (or as manny deaths as is needed) for the cause of SeeD!

Long live SeeD and Cspace!

[Cspace]

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'cowmanass' makes an interesting point, SeeD isnt realy a well known Clan, infact i cant even remember how I found the place , so why should it be SeeD that is targeted while there are manny other Clans more powerfull and with more reasons to wage war (of a sort) against.

Forgot to reply to this, but SeeD would be the largest target among all "destroy-them-all" clans (in my opinion). The largest clan other than ours (that I know of) has a little less than 300 members (Not including alliances like E.A.R.T.H., which consist of many clans). Our lack of publicity is probably reducing conflicts due to this reason, because other clans would make a target out of us to be unofficially known as the "strongest clan" or something. Once this conflict is over though, we may publicize SeeD a bit more since we will have over 500 members and will probably be out of reach of "destroy-them-all" clans (which tend to have fewer than 60 members).

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I believe that if it possibly gets to big for Gunblade, then we should work together as a team with Special Ops.

If the Special Ops becomes involved with the conflict then we would already be at war (since they don't focus on enemy clans).

[X Zolon]

yeah, some times that popularity and clan size is a double edged sword. hey cspace, loved your little reports on leadership those are awesome!

[LordDragoonX]

my friend asked me if i was in a clan and i told him i was in seed he told me that he read on a fan made rs site about an anti-seed clan but dosent remember wich rs fan made site it was

This post has been edited by LordDragoonX: 06 June 2003 - 10:36 PM

[Sproogle]

Bah. security reasons. for one thing, this is just a game and am i the only one who is feeling that this is becoming more and more like work? I admit i am new but have researched all of this clan and i think we need to be informed. After all, maybe being leaft in the dark on such important issues is one more spike being driven through us. *sigh*. i doubt that ppl are being taken beacuse of armor, because think of it, if they are willing to throw all this away for such an item, why would, with no good intentions at heart, they not just join, get the armor, then leave? If they are thick enough to leave all this for that, i think they would just cheat the clan out in the end. This is just my opinion

[Sproogle]

i dont know if this is spamming cuz it is short, but in response to Cspace, if we need to remain low to avoid conflict, why are random ppl being recruited off the streets? Why are we members supposed to "spread the word and get others to join"? you have controdicted yourself, and i merely point this out.