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#16 {lang:macro__useroffline}   Ratty {lang:icon}

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Posted 24 August 2004 - 01:12 AM

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Or you could live in Denmark where we can wear whatever we want. I really see no reason whatsoever to have dress codes or the like. Especially uniforms disgusts me, to me it's like trying to creating robots, to mainstream every one so we will all look alike, think alike and whatnot. I want to dress however I want.


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Posted 24 August 2004 - 02:19 AM

First... a quote I would like to say.

QUOTE(Alpha Weapon @ Aug 23 2004, 10:43 AM)
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Okay, silliness out of the way, Serph wanted me to put my 2 cents in, so here it goes:

I am reluctantly For uniform codes. I do not believe that the first ammendment is binding in this case. The first ammendment states freedom of speech, but so long as it does not infringe on other people's freedoms. Down here in Texas we have a primarily hispanic population. A friend of mine wore a shirt that had the words "Brown And Proud". For most people this wasn't anything much, but a few students were against this. They said that if they wore "White and Proud" or "Black and Proud" they would be called "racist" yet my friend was merely "expressing himself". So even though there is freedom of speech, it was being withheld in other cases, so the first ammendment doesn't protect this situation.

Another problem is the type of shirts readily available in our malls and their content. Go to a spencer's gifts store and you can find stuff you know will not be allowed in schools:
1. Shirts with drugs on them.
2. Shirts with profanity on them.
3. Shirts with William Hung on them.
the list can go on.
These shirts are too easily accessable and could be found in local schools just as easily.

Lastly, teachers are 'expected' to catch these people before they go on to the next class. If they fail to do so and the student gets caught later in the day, the teacher who missed the tshirt gets in trouble. Look, teachers in general are grossly underpaid, yet not only do they teach, they: babysit, counsel, police, enforce, help with school related activities, some teachers have to teach multiple classes, riot control... basically too much stuff are expected from these underpaid individulals. Now you can add fashion police to the mix. They have to look closely at shirts and make sure there are no suggestive themes to them. Isn't this a bit much?

All in all, this varies greatly between place to place. My high school had problems with tshirts (and for the record, I was in a magnet school for gifted students, so it can happen anywhere) and decided to put a stop to them. I'd much rather have teachers teach personally instead of having to watch others just so they can look out for themselves.
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Posted 24 August 2004 - 02:19 AM

I honestly wouldn't mind having a uniform, so long as it didn't look too bad. I just would want to have more than one because they tend to get a little sweaty.
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Posted 24 August 2004 - 02:23 AM

I am not for a strict dress code. There should be certain articles of clothing which should not be allowed (such as anything with obscene or offensive content on it), at least to school. Otherwise I personally feel that dress codes will not help much, nor would the lack of such rules really hurt anything. Just my opinion though.
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Posted 24 August 2004 - 02:46 AM

QUOTE(Master Of Stuff @ Aug 23 2004, 10:19 PM)
First... a quote I would like to say.

QUOTE(Alpha Weapon @ Aug 23 2004, 10:43 AM)
pants.
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enough said. biglaugh.gif

Okay, silliness out of the way, Serph wanted me to put my 2 cents in, so here it goes:

I am reluctantly For uniform codes. I do not believe that the first ammendment is binding in this case. The first ammendment states freedom of speech, but so long as it does not infringe on other people's freedoms. Down here in Texas we have a primarily hispanic population. A friend of mine wore a shirt that had the words "Brown And Proud". For most people this wasn't anything much, but a few students were against this. They said that if they wore "White and Proud" or "Black and Proud" they would be called "racist" yet my friend was merely "expressing himself". So even though there is freedom of speech, it was being withheld in other cases, so the first ammendment doesn't protect this situation.

Another problem is the type of shirts readily available in our malls and their content. Go to a spencer's gifts store and you can find stuff you know will not be allowed in schools:
1. Shirts with drugs on them.
2. Shirts with profanity on them.
3. Shirts with William Hung on them.
the list can go on.
These shirts are too easily accessable and could be found in local schools just as easily.

Lastly, teachers are 'expected' to catch these people before they go on to the next class. If they fail to do so and the student gets caught later in the day, the teacher who missed the tshirt gets in trouble. Look, teachers in general are grossly underpaid, yet not only do they teach, they: babysit, counsel, police, enforce, help with school related activities, some teachers have to teach multiple classes, riot control... basically too much stuff are expected from these underpaid individulals. Now you can add fashion police to the mix. They have to look closely at shirts and make sure there are no suggestive themes to them. Isn't this a bit much?

All in all, this varies greatly between place to place. My high school had problems with tshirts (and for the record, I was in a magnet school for gifted students, so it can happen anywhere) and decided to put a stop to them. I'd much rather have teachers teach personally instead of having to watch others just so they can look out for themselves.
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Leave it to you to challenge me.

You could use the 1st amendment, but you can't do what you said. So it does work if you know how to use it.

Haha, William Hung. *Snickers* Anyways, most people have some common sense, and don't wear shirts like that. Just some funny sayings here and there on some shirts, but that's it.

Teachers are teachers because they wanted to do it. They knew the risks, and I do agree with you. But it's also the principle's responsibility to keep charge too, not to mention make our live's a living <enter bad word here>.

I still think they are taking away our rights, principle is trying to make a point. And if that is the case, Section 7 in the Bill of rights: Private property shall not be taken for public use without just compensation. (In our school, they takes the clothes until the end of the day, which is wrong, going against the Bill of Rights.)

And according to the Bill of Rights, we can still wear shirts involving religion on them. Section 3: The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference shall forever be allowed in this state to all mankind; and no person shall be rendered incompetent to be a witness on account of his opinions on matters of religious beliefe.
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Posted 24 August 2004 - 03:23 AM

I believe private schools are void of those rights and such. I could be wrong, like in the instance of government funding private schools maybe.
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Posted 24 August 2004 - 05:34 AM

My school webpage

You should be able to find some horrible uniform pics there...
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Posted 24 August 2004 - 05:48 AM

Hehehe when I saw the title of this, I thought someone wanted to run around naked biglaugh.gif

Nah but I think that people should be allowed to wear any clothes they like just so long as it doesn't have any rude words or pictures, promotes drugs etc.

And yeah, you should be able to find some HORRIBLE pics of our school uniform in Cal's post. (Can't believe you remember the schools web page... even though you do have a better memory than me bluetongue.gif)



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Posted 24 August 2004 - 08:34 PM

my schools too strict.
you have to have a plain polo shirt - no normal shirts aloud. Black shoes only.
black pants for boys only - no shorts.
girls aloud pants or skirt past knees - sexist
black sweatshirts only.
dark coats only.
caps only aloud in really hot sunlight.
no cardigans or anything like that.

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Posted 24 August 2004 - 09:19 PM

QUOTE(Lprince @ Aug 24 2004, 04:34 PM)
my schools too strict.
you have to have a plain polo shirt - no normal shirts aloud. Black shoes only.
black pants for boys only - no shorts.
girls aloud pants or skirt past knees - sexist
black sweatshirts only.
dark coats only.
caps only aloud in really hot sunlight.
no cardigans or anything like that.
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Posted 24 August 2004 - 11:54 PM

lol, talking about colours, last week my school played inter school sport. we went to another schools sports grounds and theyre uniform was soo funny!!

It was Blue shirt, Black pants, PURPLE jacket! (blazer)

Rofl!!

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And the sports uniform was all purple! it was sooo funny!!!!

I feel sorry for all the people in that school biglaugh.gif
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Posted 25 August 2004 - 01:28 AM

There are constant problems that occur with different rules that are placed:

Words: Profanity... simpLe Images maKE TeacHers Incapable of Spotting things!

Pictures: Nice images are not always nice. I know of websites with innocent looking images with profanity, innuendo or drugs hidden in the picture, but I will not post for obvious reasons.

Colors: Some schools have problems with colors due to gang reasons... varies from place to place.


As for the rights of students, I am quite certain that there is a loophole used by schools and districts. In the case of my old schools, we were told to sign the student handbook, and by signing the handbook we are to follow every word in the handbook. If we didn't sign the handbook, we could be kicked out of the school... it's a love it or leave it frame of mind.
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Posted 25 August 2004 - 03:11 AM

Yeah, our school gets away with things by making us sign stuff, too... Whatever_anim.gif

And Serph... surely it's only sexist if you would wear a skirt given the chance bluetongue.gif.


I'm not sure what my stance on the topic is. As BR2 mentioned our school has a strict uniform policy. While in a lot of ways this is pretty stupid, our school is big on image and it does look far more impressive to visitors. Also it helps somewhat against bullying, it's one less way in which people have to fit in.

Some of the rules made up in my school are just plain stupid though, I haven't been able to find legitimate reasons for some of them. Most recent example is them forbidding us to wear pants while playing interschool pants, the sports pants they told us we had to buy. They're trying to force us to wear shorts in the middle of winter, while some of the sports are outside (and possibly in the rain).

Can't quite work out what's up with that one.
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Posted 25 August 2004 - 06:53 AM

QUOTE(Gotenksjr3 @ Aug 25 2004, 01:11 PM)
Some of the rules made up in my school are just plain stupid though, I haven't been able to find legitimate reasons for some of them. Most recent example is them forbidding us to wear pants while playing interschool pants, the sports pants they told us we had to buy. They're trying to force us to wear shorts in the middle of winter, while some of the sports are outside (and possibly in the rain).

Can't quite work out what's up with that one.
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Yeah, lol, today for interschool sports, our whole team had sport pants on, and the school cant do anything about it bluetongue.gif

They'd rather let us play, and not lose, than having to forfeit bluetongue.gif
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Posted 25 August 2004 - 09:53 AM

we have uniform, white shirt, trousers and shoes, the lower years have to wear jumpers.

The excuse for our schools uniform is "Its fairer on some students as fashion seems to be a big part of Students and if some poorer person wore something they could get bullied, so if you all dress the same the chances of bullying because of clothes goes down" or something like that. We tried to change uniforms to casual last year thats the reason we got.

I sort of think its true because on Mufti Days (a day we can wear what we want) Some people get bullied because of their clothing, also on normal days im fine but if its mufti someone cant help but shout grunger... n other pointless names...

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