[Cspace]

Suspension:

For a second act of harassment, as is stated in the rules, Muler (Justshifl) has been suspended for seven days as a result of what he did in this thread. This has been stated many times, provocation and insults to anyone here are never justified regardless of reason.

Warning:

Killerconvic would have had the same action taken against him for the same reason as Muler except I gave him a warning which I would be throwing out the window as a result if I took action now (I did not know of the above thread until now). If he or anyone else ever does anything like what happened in that thread again it will result in a suspension. I am sorry, we have let this anger fester for too long, some cannot let go and we unfortunately must resort to this, at least for now.

I know for a fact that I will probably be attacked for this and am aware of it, but I'm sorry, when I give my word I am not going to back down on what I say.

[obiwan22]

*Sigh*

Can't we all just get along..(rhetorical question, don't answer)

Well, I personally don't blame you Cspace, you gave your warning, there's a pinned topic clearly outlining all the rules and consquences, and you've specifically said that put-downs won't be tolerated.

[Sproogle]

Sproogle has posted for once! Heh, looks like seeD is up to it's old conflict tricks again, which is a pity. It really is, and I am sorry for that. I have not quit seeD, I will pop from time to time. I'll be there, but I hope it will be in more fun topics...

[Spikeout]

lol we pushed cspace to the brink of cicadahood so its not cspaces fault

[Shadowdancer]

I realize that I'm just an "outsider" here for the most part, but can I say something?

There's a lot of politics and drama going on here. "He said/she said" etc...

I joined up here thinking this was a strong community of RS players who believed in upholding the game rules and supporting one another. Instead, I see people taking potshots at one another and such.

I admit I know little of what's going on here, and quite frankly I don't give a **** either. You supposedly have methods of resolving conflicts but yet you allow posters to flame each other with impunity and little action is taken against them.

Sorry if my post offends you, but I feel that I had to say something. Cut the bull**** and work these things out in private. Investigate people who are alleged hackers/scammers/cheaters, but don't post about it in public.

Thanks for your time.

[Cspace]

Sproogle has posted for once! Heh, looks like seeD is up to it's old conflict tricks again, which is a pity. It really is, and I am sorry for that. I have not quit seeD, I will pop from time to time. I'll be there, but I hope it will be in more fun topics...

This is so true. It takes one member to keep this going on. Almost everyone involved in the past conflicts has stopped, there are just two or three who have been causing trouble and they need to stop. Once they stop and everyone begins to treat things a little more lightly I promise that everything will improve... Visibly in even less than four days if those few just try...

It is so easy, why blow up at someone and subject SeeD to the perpetuation of these pointless rivalries?

[Superbuu91]

All i can say is

half of everything is luck__________
the other half is fate.

It has some sense in here but i watch to many movies. At least it fits a little

[Cspace]

I joined up here thinking this was a strong community of RS players who believed in upholding the game rules and supporting one another. Instead, I see people taking potshots at one another and such.

We are improving from an ongoing situation that happened a while back, a few are still causing trouble but SeeD as a whole is against it. If you look at the few situations which came up you will often find the same members involved, I am sorry to say it but I must since this has been festering for so long.

I admit I know little of what's going on here, and quite frankly I don't give a **** either. You supposedly have methods of resolving conflicts but yet you allow posters to flame each other with impunity and little action is taken against them.

We don't allow it, that is exactly what we are trying to stop...

The mods, leaders, and myself have spent many days, many posts over 4 pages long single spaced with nothing but explanations and attempts at trying to get the few members to stop, and now we have to resort to action. Those few members must stop with their grudges or just take them off the site, they will not subject themselves to negative action nor will they subject SeeD to their attitudes and negativities...

Sorry if my post offends you, but I feel that I had to say something. Cut the bull**** and work these things out in private. Investigate people who are alleged hackers/scammers/cheaters, but don't post about it in public.

I'm sorry, I am not going to take action against someone and not say why. I cannot do something and just not mention it. It is not right to keep it secret. If someone is banned and no one knows why everyone will start pointing fingers and that is exactly how negative rumors spread against them...

[Cspace]

I'm sorry Shadowdancer, I know you mean well but it has just been building up over a while. I didn't mean to blow up at you...

This is just very difficult, I'm not sure if you would understand or not because I'm not sure of what positions you've experienced in the past. There are many lose-lose situations which the leadership has been put into and it has just been stressing a few of us out a bit.

I mean, for example, say that something happens and I don't think it warrants direct action. Instead I talk it out and try to end the problem so it doesn't come up again. The leaders are then blamed for not doing anything.

In the same situation, if I do take direct action, some always back up the one who had action taken against him/her. Some leaders are often questioned and conspiracy theories never fail to come up (I don't blame them, they have a right to question us, but sometimes it is relentless and obviously false at the expense of those who did nothing wrong).

The leaders have to expect that, but the members should not take little situations to be the actions of the entire clan and evidence of the clan going downhill. It also bothers me when every single conflict is taken to be an extension of the faction problem and the old conflicts - which they are not. All the effects of factions have gone away (including the hundreds of "he did/she did" PMs sent to me), only a few are still extending the problems into the present day.

Now we have minor problems that are blown out of proportions when members treat it as proof that we have gone nowhere.

We have improved a lot and the potential to improve greatly exists - It is so easy to attain... It is just that some members feel that they have the right to halt progress for their own gain and it is sickening to me after all some members put into SeeD. $100 per month, hours of work, and the dedication of hundreds of members going back to 2001, yet some feel the right to compromise that just to continue the grudges that everyone else wants to end...

[Bashae]

You should mention Style's 900 day ban...

What has happened within the last few days distress me. This clan now entering a new era, has broken down again HARD. We have just lost one of our members, and conflicts are starting up again. I only hope we can climb up the big cliff we just fell from.

[Cspace]

You should mention Style's 900 day ban...

What has happened within the last few days distress me. This clan now entering a new era, has broken down again HARD. We have just lost one of our members, and conflicts are starting up again. I only hope we can climb up the big cliff we just fell from.

That time could be reduced but we can discuss it later. It happened because he repeatedly posted outright flaming as well as an insult directed at Jewish people. If this happened prior to the specific rules he would have been banned which is considered binding, however a suspension was used (although great) which is easier to change due to its definition.

I have just been doing what many members have been asking for throughout the past six months. Throughout that time I was trying to solve the problems with words, the factions dissolved when old situations were put to rest. Today's situations were caused by a few members and one lasting extension of the factions which is over (the situation with Base was the last due to factions). All except the one with Base were caused by two or maybe three members, one of them left. I discussed things with the other and this will all hopefully end as of tonight.

We didn't fall off a cliff or anything, this is one situation. The factions - the greatest cause of all our problems for the past six months - are gone and now every situation is an isolated incident which can be handled on an individual basis.

If members want me to take away the set rules we can and go back to trying to solve the problems how we were, much like in the way we dissolved the factions in a peaceful manner where we are working with members instead of independent of the members. It requires that first the members don't require of me to take action for every minor thing for which some have been begging for months.

Either I take action like I am now or members will have to try to work with the leaders to solve problems in a more peaceful manner as before. I have been lenient (most were two-day suspensions until Muler had a second offence), although it seems strict because the "dark side" of this strict law is becoming apparent which was mentioned many times before. This is exactly what I said would happen if I started doing this, I needed to do it to show SeeD the effects of taking action for everything which are now apparent. I did not do it to give a lesson to SeeD or anything though, for all I know it could have solved the problems since it was what so many wanted. It is a system like this which I had been fighting for six months and if everyone would like to go back to a more open system I am opening a poll for that now.

[Goto]

I would much prefer more lenient rules and think thats the best way to run the clan, but for now I think you've got the right attitude. Within a month or two people may begin to realise they can't just start flamefests and then turn around the next day and pretend it didn't happen. Once the few members that are still causing problems cease to do so, I'll be 100% for more leniency.

[Danny Wells]

Uh... What's the point of suspending Justshifl if he has already left?

[CongressJon]

Uh... What's the point of suspending Justshifl if he has already left?

He may have said he left, but he was alive and posting last night.

The thing is, I fully agree with Cspace. Jushifl has been a valued member of SeeD for a while now, and we respect that. But, lately (within the past few months) he has been toeing and in recent times, crossing the line. There are things you can say that can be tolerated and whatnot, but when you really go all-out against someone who has an opinion or has done something you don't like, insulting, sarcasm, provocation, and whole nine yards, people just can't leave that alone.