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10. If you break a rule, you need to weed out and punish the troublemakers as harshly as possible.
Poll #5 - How Strict Should We Be?
#16
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Posted 16 September 2004 - 08:40 PM
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<B>DarkStorm Character Information</B>
Money: 1240 UniCreds
Items for Use: 3 boom stones, 3 runes of blasting, 47 Vesuul, 1 bricken, 1 Mythrite Pick, 1 skyrite pick, One Class 1 Energy Field Generator, 1 Ruby
Mining Level: 5 (1600 EXP)
Smithing Level: 1
<B>Character Stats:</B>
Total Posts:3681
Total Stat Points: 83
Strength: 1 = 0 stat point used
Intelligence: 35= 19 stat points used + Staff + Race power bonus
Hit Points: 2220 Hp= 74 stat points used
EP Reduction: 35 X 15 =-525 EP
DP UP : + 2
Banana Boy- Familiar
Alignment: Light
Xanthor Drathos - Sorceror
Class info:
Sorcerer: Like wizards, but bound to darkness. Sorcerers practice spells of destruction and darkness. Like wizards, they are physically weak, though can do massive damage if given the chance to cast a spell.
- Intelligence Effect (per point): Decreases EP consumption of abilities by 15
- Strength Effect (per point): Normal attack DP + 2
Hometown: Shral Valeron
Race: Dark Elves: Diverging into the path of Darkness at an undetermined date during the Second Age, Dark Elves have become one of the few true evil races in Earthia. They consider Undead to be below them, and scowl at all races and classes not allied with Darkness. While they are not known to hide in the shadows like other Dark races, they are probably one of the most capable of directly harnessing the dark powers of the world to do their bidding.
- For Dark classes: Intelligence + 10; At a post count of 4000, Intelligence + 20 instead
Me Spells
Sorcerer:
- Dark Grip (0): EC=5; DP=4: Surrounds the target with a dark mist, doing minor damage.
- Choke (0): EC=7; DP=5: The Sorcerer holds out his/her hand and chokes the target, doing minor damage.
- Stun Target (0): EC=7; DP=0; Effect = Stun: Target cannot take any actions or move: Prevents target from taking any actions for 20 seconds. Will not take away the target's next turn in battle.
- Blast of Darkness (150): EC=50; DP=35: A conjured wave of darkness slams the target.
- Dimensional Ripple (200): EC=70; DP= 40; Effect = Stun: Target cannot take any actions or move: Attack spell that also stuns the target for 20 seconds. Will not take away the target's next turn in battle.
- DarkForce (300): EC=120; DP=75: Darkness crushes the target from all directions.
- Levitate (350): EC=200; Effect = Levitate: Prevents damage from ground based attacks as long as the target (anyone) is in the region.
- Suffocate (450): EC=200; DP=50 Each Turn For Following 3 Turns: The air is removed around the target, suffocating him/her. Does minor damage for three turns (along with additional attacks for the following two).
- Ground Shock (600): EC=250; DP=110: Will not affect levitated targets
- Dimensional Wave (800): EC=400; DP=160: The dimension is warped around the target, causing a large amount of damage.
- Evil Cyclone (1200): EC=500; DP=180: A temporary portal to the dark world opens, consuming the target in a cyclone of shadows, ultimately crushing him/her.
- Death's Warning (1200): EC=100; DP=0: Will cause great fear to the target and cause him/her to leave the location and go back into the general region. Will not affect Wizards.
-> Storm of Darkness (1500): EC=750; DP=260: The powers of the ancient sorcerer are summoned, showering the target in flames and consuming him/her in darkness.
- Summon Familiar (2000): EC=500; Effect = Summon a Familiar to travel/ Can do anything except attack or use abilities: Allows you to summon a familiar and send it to other areas. It cannot attack and will come back to you if attacked.
-> Dimensional Crack (2000): EC=1000; DP=400: A local form of Dimensional Storm targeting one character. The target temporarily experiences the effects of being caught between dimensions in this destructive spell.
- Destroy Light (2500): EC=2000; DP=HP of the summoned target (if the summoner is below your post count): Will defeat any summoned being of light which is under the control of someone of a lesser post count.
- Summoning of Destruction (3000): EC=2300; DP=750: The Sorcerer uses the powers of the ancients to conjure a local cataclysm.
- Dark Gate (3200): EC=800; DP=0: Will send a friendly target back to his/her hometown as an evacuation.
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<B>DarkStorm Character Information</B>
Money: 1240 UniCreds
Items for Use: 3 boom stones, 3 runes of blasting, 47 Vesuul, 1 bricken, 1 Mythrite Pick, 1 skyrite pick, One Class 1 Energy Field Generator, 1 Ruby
Mining Level: 5 (1600 EXP)
Smithing Level: 1
<B>Character Stats:</B>
Total Posts:3681
Total Stat Points: 83
Strength: 1 = 0 stat point used
Intelligence: 35= 19 stat points used + Staff + Race power bonus
Hit Points: 2220 Hp= 74 stat points used
EP Reduction: 35 X 15 =-525 EP
DP UP : + 2
Banana Boy- Familiar
Alignment: Light
Xanthor Drathos - Sorceror
Class info:
Sorcerer: Like wizards, but bound to darkness. Sorcerers practice spells of destruction and darkness. Like wizards, they are physically weak, though can do massive damage if given the chance to cast a spell.
- Intelligence Effect (per point): Decreases EP consumption of abilities by 15
- Strength Effect (per point): Normal attack DP + 2
Hometown: Shral Valeron
Race: Dark Elves: Diverging into the path of Darkness at an undetermined date during the Second Age, Dark Elves have become one of the few true evil races in Earthia. They consider Undead to be below them, and scowl at all races and classes not allied with Darkness. While they are not known to hide in the shadows like other Dark races, they are probably one of the most capable of directly harnessing the dark powers of the world to do their bidding.
- For Dark classes: Intelligence + 10; At a post count of 4000, Intelligence + 20 instead
Me Spells
Sorcerer:
- Dark Grip (0): EC=5; DP=4: Surrounds the target with a dark mist, doing minor damage.
- Choke (0): EC=7; DP=5: The Sorcerer holds out his/her hand and chokes the target, doing minor damage.
- Stun Target (0): EC=7; DP=0; Effect = Stun: Target cannot take any actions or move: Prevents target from taking any actions for 20 seconds. Will not take away the target's next turn in battle.
- Blast of Darkness (150): EC=50; DP=35: A conjured wave of darkness slams the target.
- Dimensional Ripple (200): EC=70; DP= 40; Effect = Stun: Target cannot take any actions or move: Attack spell that also stuns the target for 20 seconds. Will not take away the target's next turn in battle.
- DarkForce (300): EC=120; DP=75: Darkness crushes the target from all directions.
- Levitate (350): EC=200; Effect = Levitate: Prevents damage from ground based attacks as long as the target (anyone) is in the region.
- Suffocate (450): EC=200; DP=50 Each Turn For Following 3 Turns: The air is removed around the target, suffocating him/her. Does minor damage for three turns (along with additional attacks for the following two).
- Ground Shock (600): EC=250; DP=110: Will not affect levitated targets
- Dimensional Wave (800): EC=400; DP=160: The dimension is warped around the target, causing a large amount of damage.
- Evil Cyclone (1200): EC=500; DP=180: A temporary portal to the dark world opens, consuming the target in a cyclone of shadows, ultimately crushing him/her.
- Death's Warning (1200): EC=100; DP=0: Will cause great fear to the target and cause him/her to leave the location and go back into the general region. Will not affect Wizards.
-> Storm of Darkness (1500): EC=750; DP=260: The powers of the ancient sorcerer are summoned, showering the target in flames and consuming him/her in darkness.
- Summon Familiar (2000): EC=500; Effect = Summon a Familiar to travel/ Can do anything except attack or use abilities: Allows you to summon a familiar and send it to other areas. It cannot attack and will come back to you if attacked.
-> Dimensional Crack (2000): EC=1000; DP=400: A local form of Dimensional Storm targeting one character. The target temporarily experiences the effects of being caught between dimensions in this destructive spell.
- Destroy Light (2500): EC=2000; DP=HP of the summoned target (if the summoner is below your post count): Will defeat any summoned being of light which is under the control of someone of a lesser post count.
- Summoning of Destruction (3000): EC=2300; DP=750: The Sorcerer uses the powers of the ancients to conjure a local cataclysm.
- Dark Gate (3200): EC=800; DP=0: Will send a friendly target back to his/her hometown as an evacuation.
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#17
Killerconvic
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Posted 16 September 2004 - 09:34 PM
QUOTE(Ferret Overlord @ Sep 16 2004, 02:17 PM)
I did five, because I made an accident...
I meant to say 7...
Anyway, I think the members that go on a blind rage, then DON'T APOLOGIZE (and mean it) should be suspended. The ones who apologize should get a shorter sentence. ( Yes, I know that means I should get suspended, but hey, that's the rules, right?)
(And listen to you guys! Arguing in a topic meant to stop argueing! Come on! Just stop. This is so childish! It's Cspaces decison, and I guess it's okay to debate whether the member should have been perma banned, but it's not worth argueing over. Wish I knew how to spell argueing...)
I meant to say 7...
Anyway, I think the members that go on a blind rage, then DON'T APOLOGIZE (and mean it) should be suspended. The ones who apologize should get a shorter sentence. ( Yes, I know that means I should get suspended, but hey, that's the rules, right?)
(And listen to you guys! Arguing in a topic meant to stop argueing! Come on! Just stop. This is so childish! It's Cspaces decison, and I guess it's okay to debate whether the member should have been perma banned, but it's not worth argueing over. Wish I knew how to spell argueing...)
Who's arguing? Billy and I are sharing opinions
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#18
ticktockclok
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Posted 16 September 2004 - 10:12 PM
And style's a current member? Was he allowed to come back?
And now we have the quote of the day, from greenl2l: PLONGED!!!
#19
Cspace
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Posted 16 September 2004 - 10:50 PM
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I mean, two days for flaming......
You do realize why it was two days right? Because I couldn't create a 30-page constitution for the clan to include every single thing that could possibly happen, including specific topics, specific manners, specific lengths, and specific repetition. The previous rule system which resulted in the two day suspensions (which you pressured me to create, mind you) resulted in them due to how things must be categorized. It was two days for the first offence of "harassment" or "provocation". Everyone who had two days did something that could fall into that category. While due to what Style did he was suspended practically forever (900 days). With set rules and no judgement members are let off easily if their actions fall into the right category, and they can be extremely harsh if someone does something slightly wrong that falls into the wrong category. That is why we got rid of that and re-introduced judgement.
Please don't use the two days as an arguing point because that is a specific reason that we got rid of that system.
#20
Phieta
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Posted 16 September 2004 - 11:40 PM
Firstly Cspace, in regards to your sig, I have overclocked a Palm Pilot (well, a Palm system, not a Pilot - my brother's Palm V which is now my mom's). Didn't do too much except a noticeable increase in speed (and crashes), and lower battery life before a recharge was needed. I've tried overclocking my Visor Prism but I can't find a free overclocking utility that works on Palm OS 3.5 
Uh, moving on...
I'd say around an 8 would be good. I'm all for a relaxed environment, forgiveness, etc, but currently we're not strict enough.
Uh, moving on...
I'd say around an 8 would be good. I'm all for a relaxed environment, forgiveness, etc, but currently we're not strict enough.
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#21
Dragonman
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Posted 17 September 2004 - 10:34 PM
Oh, wow. 
I voted 3...it's just SeeD. Why do we have to kill someone for letting out a swear or mistake. You can't stamp evil on someone just because they swear here and there. It's a way for some people to vent sometimes. Warnings work and everything, and if someone does something like posting viruses and direct actions like that we just keep them out of here. Shouldn't be as complicated as it's looking. 
I voted 3...it's just SeeD. Why do we have to kill someone for letting out a swear or mistake. You can't stamp evil on someone just because they swear here and there. It's a way for some people to vent sometimes. Warnings work and everything, and if someone does something like posting viruses and direct actions like that we just keep them out of here. Shouldn't be as complicated as it's looking.
"Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow."
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#22
RyokoGaIchiban
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Posted 19 September 2004 - 03:39 AM
You should be as lenient as possible. Forms are places online where people should be able to express themselves with as few restrictions as possible. That's why of all the forums I belong to, this is the one I visit the least because all of you are too uptight. 
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Ferret Overlord
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Posted 19 September 2004 - 05:23 AM
We can't really loosen up because of all the fights that would break out. Maybe if SeeD started off communistic, then went to democracy, we could loosen up a bit. But there's too me tension for us to stop being "uptight", as you call it.
Trust me, we're not uptight. When you want uptight, go to a French forum.
No, really...
If you knew how many fights there are, then you'd understand. And I don't mean these huge ones, I mean the ones where people take little jabs, but don't fully express their anger. Then everyone's worried about a fight breaking out.
So we really need to tighten security.
And get that pipe fixed in insanity. I thought I told someone to fix that!
Trust me, we're not uptight. When you want uptight, go to a French forum.
No, really...
If you knew how many fights there are, then you'd understand. And I don't mean these huge ones, I mean the ones where people take little jabs, but don't fully express their anger. Then everyone's worried about a fight breaking out.
So we really need to tighten security.
And get that pipe fixed in insanity. I thought I told someone to fix that!
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#24
Cspace
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Posted 19 September 2004 - 05:48 AM
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You should be as lenient as possible. Forms are places online where people should be able to express themselves with as few restrictions as possible. That's why of all the forums I belong to, this is the one I visit the least because all of you are too uptight.
That could not be more true, thank you Ryoko. I just wish everyone else would understand that, we're fighting for a more open community as you probably know but some just don't realize what will happen if we crack down on everything... They had a taste of it before but a few still do not see it.
I don't see why some want things to be so limited...
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We can't really loosen up because of all the fights that would break out.
Last I knew these fights were over two months ago and we are a "normal community" again? The last thing anything happened it was because of the strict rules and members feeling censored. Unless we begin handling the place as a "normal community" we will never become one again. Other forums have dramas and personal situations all the time (it's human) but no one considers them full of fights, while one little thing happens here and the entire clan is in an uproar because they start claiming that we're full of conflicts...
If we don't come to a realization of reality we will never be considered "normal", sorry to say but it is unfortunately true. It's our only roadblock left, it is really a small one that can easily be passed, but some are treating it as a brick wall that cannot be passed without absolute cooperation.
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Ferret Overlord
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Posted 19 September 2004 - 05:55 AM
Meh. I've been seeing a lot of minor fights, that I kinda get scared of.
Basically because I feel as if every fight can cause a huge war between members... Or maybe I don't feel that way...
WHY DO YOU TORTURE ME CSPACE?!
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Anyway. Maybe being uptight makes you think you're not uptight. I guess we're not aware of ourselves.
Gotta work on that.
Basically because I feel as if every fight can cause a huge war between members... Or maybe I don't feel that way...
WHY DO YOU TORTURE ME CSPACE?!
...
Anyway. Maybe being uptight makes you think you're not uptight. I guess we're not aware of ourselves.
Gotta work on that.
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#26
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Posted 19 September 2004 - 06:15 AM
Lol, I'm not trying to make an example of you or anything (sorry if it seems that way, I can edit something out if it bothers you or anyone else).
I'm just saying that everyone is not the same, therefore everyone is not perfectly "compatible". If anyone in this world is friends with everyone at their school, I will personally send them a check for a million dollars (well, maybe I'll reconsider in the case that there's a freak somewhere
). Now if everyone treated a little situation between people at their school as a major issue worth restructuring their school over, everyone under the age of 20 should flee the world in fear of their lives. I hear that Saturn's moon Enceladus might be an interesting place to live if they could heat it up, here we go, our first generation of explorers to Saturn. 
Let's just hope NASA can develop the technology in 10 years or the human race will be extinct in less than a century when the incompetent youths grow up.
Anyway...
Yeah, it is virtually impossible to eliminate every situation. If we could do it we would be a definite first on the entire internet. We can, however, treat them properly and place them where they belong. That is really all it takes and we will be set.
I'm just saying that everyone is not the same, therefore everyone is not perfectly "compatible". If anyone in this world is friends with everyone at their school, I will personally send them a check for a million dollars (well, maybe I'll reconsider in the case that there's a freak somewhere
). Now if everyone treated a little situation between people at their school as a major issue worth restructuring their school over, everyone under the age of 20 should flee the world in fear of their lives. I hear that Saturn's moon Enceladus might be an interesting place to live if they could heat it up, here we go, our first generation of explorers to Saturn. Let's just hope NASA can develop the technology in 10 years or the human race will be extinct in less than a century when the incompetent youths grow up.
Anyway...
Yeah, it is virtually impossible to eliminate every situation. If we could do it we would be a definite first on the entire internet. We can, however, treat them properly and place them where they belong. That is really all it takes and we will be set.
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Ferret Overlord
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Posted 19 September 2004 - 06:21 AM
But aren't you an incompetent youth?
Oh, wait... You work for NASA. Nevermind.
You can't really make an example out of me from that. Lol, we have some sort of weird misunderstanding happening all the time. I say something about your post and you apologize, and then I tell you I wasn't insulted and then I start ranting...
Could you use a boot as an example for this?
And I'm not going to Saturn! You know how much property taxes would cost there!? They'd be sky high! 'Cept there is not sky...
Oh, wait... You work for NASA. Nevermind.
You can't really make an example out of me from that. Lol, we have some sort of weird misunderstanding happening all the time. I say something about your post and you apologize, and then I tell you I wasn't insulted and then I start ranting...
Could you use a boot as an example for this?
And I'm not going to Saturn! You know how much property taxes would cost there!? They'd be sky high! 'Cept there is not sky...
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#28
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Posted 19 September 2004 - 06:28 AM
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But aren't you an incompetent youth?
What in the world are you saying??? Of course I am!
And if I could get a trip to Saturn for being incompetent, sure, I'll wear that on my sleeve!
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You can't really make an example out of me from that. Lol, we have some sort of weird misunderstanding happening all the time. I say something about your post and you apologize, and then I tell you I wasn't insulted and then I start ranting...
Lol, yeah... That's been happening a lot for some reason, no clue why but I guess it is.
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Could you use a boot as an example for this?
Of course! You could use a boot as an example for anything! If SeeD can be compared to a boot, anything can be compared to a boot.
Let's see here...
If we treat the current members as people living inside a boot, and new members as wanderers looking at how muddy it is... Ok, I'll stop.
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And I'm not going to Saturn! You know how much property taxes would cost there!? They'd be sky high! 'Cept there is not sky...
It's all sky there, property is cheap in most places but forget any insurance. Living in 1000 m.p.h. winds constantly does unfortunately have some disadvantages.
#29
Ferret Overlord
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Posted 19 September 2004 - 06:33 AM
Yeah, the whole space vacum deal.
And there was an old lady who lived in a boot(Cspace) her children (Members) And the other stuff too. (Mods)
And there was an old lady who lived in a boot(Cspace) her children (Members) And the other stuff too. (Mods)
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#30
Goto
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Posted 19 September 2004 - 07:29 AM
Hehe, way to spam up the discussion guys (no sarcasm, I'm actually congratulating you)
From my observations, the more 'up-tight' we are over this, the more people will get into fights over the smallest little things. If people are a bit more relaxed, they're more likely to give others a chance, most conflicts are just misunderstandings anyway.
(no sarcasm, I'm actually congratulating you)From my observations, the more 'up-tight' we are over this, the more people will get into fights over the smallest little things. If people are a bit more relaxed, they're more likely to give others a chance, most conflicts are just misunderstandings anyway.