[ticktockclok]

Fishy.

[Cspace]

Well, the last time we had a 'clean slate' I was basically saying that anyone who had not already had action taken against them would not be punished for past actions. It was because factions were all about 'ban him for this', and the clean slate basically was saying that they will be forgotten if action had not already been taken.

I am all for letting them redeem themselves. Those who took a negative part in this as a first offence have been given another chance. I know that KC is a good friend, he was a friend of mine a while back, however unfortunately he was given many 'second chances' and after more than one warning for an indefinite ban/suspension he continued on his own will. I made more than one post about it and he saw them, but still continued. As was stated in the warning however, if after sufficient time he shows that he no longer wishes to cause these problems he will have his ban removed. This means that he should not try to get around the ban and should not attack our members by any means (including on their own sites). Friendly acts will bring the time of the removal closer, on the other hand.

I am all for leaving this behind us, and I think we should, but in terms of the currently applicable bans and suspensions they will need to remain for those who already received them. They can and will be shortened if problems do not come up and/or they even try some friendly acts toward our members. Along with that, though, we should treat them fairly and not provoke them into any situations.

This can and definitely should be left behind us, it will just take some effort from a few members involved. Once it is left behind us we won't need to keep bringing up old problems and will instead focus on what is more important or even fun.

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Addition:

Looking at the results of the poll, I am very glad to see where the votes are falling. It shows that SeeD wants to move on, and indeed we will. I am gritting my teeth regarding KC's situation, I agree with a second chance but we also need to prevent these things from happening.

Perhaps if KC contacts me while I'm on AIM in a responsible fashion and we discuss all this we can get things sorted out more quickly. I will say, however... If he is let back in more quickly than expected, the same action will be taken again if his actions continue. The same with others who had their suspensions removed as well. However, I will expect respectful treatment of him in the case that his ban is removed in the near future. Let's just forget everything that happened and just learn from it. Then we will be able to go on to a much brighter future.

[Raktor]

"Let's all hug and make up, teehee!"

How about No.

I'm not forgiving past grudges. People have seriously insulted me, and if they think it can go away with another one of these frickin' 'Let's all be happy' posts, their mind is warped.

We were meant to forgive past grudges ages ago, but I'm still called a suicidal freak. Does that sound forgiving?

The day I became a moderator, on aim I was told, 'You're too immature to become a mod. What with your past actions, I don't think you deserve it at all."


Guess who said that? The person you all want to unban.

[sarcasm]Yay! We love you killer! Have some reeses! AWWWWW!!!!!![/sarcasm]

Just my

[CongressJon]

I know that KC is a good friend, he was a friend of mine a while back, however unfortunately he was given many 'second chances' and after more than one warning for an indefinite ban/suspension he continued on his own will.  I made more than one post about it and he saw them, but still continued.

Friendly acts will bring the time of the removal closer, on the other hand.

I understand your thought process, as well as many other SeeDs', but I still think there's a point to be taken. See, from what I've gleaned from KC, he does this because of the inequality towards him. He did one thing, and the odds were slightly against him, so he gets angry. Repeat X times. Now you've got an incredibly pissed off person. If all of us SeeDs could just find it in our hearts to forget this and, damn it, accept him like we would any other SeeD, then that, right there, is proof of how strong we are. That would be saying that we're strong enough to throw down all of these grudges, forget what he's done, and say, "What the hell, let's try again." I know we've given him multiple chances, I know he's done it over and over, but if we were to do the same for everyone else, why not him? I'm not trying to side with anyone here or anything, I just want this to happen for the betterment of our community.

I will say, however... If he is let back in more quickly than expected, the same action will be taken again if his actions continue. The same with others who had their suspensions removed as well.

It would appear I've forgotten to mention this. In handling members previously banned or suspended (with the exception of Styledragon and others perma-banned), I believe that, while they should be given one more chance, the phrase, "one more", is very important in their case. I still believe that they should be given a fine line after that is said and done.

[Raktor]

We've banned him. Then we let him back in, and welcomed him back. Then he flames, and we have to ban him again.

If you cannot see, HE WILL NEVER BE GOOD. There is something in his head which will keep him flaming us, and you need to stop being so high on whatever drugs you're on, and realize that you can't be nice nice nice and just all hug and everything is ok.

[Goto]

Bigbro, cool it. You've been doing fine recently, don't blow it all over a minor topic like this. The best way to prove you're not an immature kid and that you do deserve your modship is through example, this isn't helping.

Hyper, it's a good idea, but I think even from this topic alone you can see it's unlikely to work. For some reason, some people just refuse to get over anything. I don't know why, sounds like a pretty horrible way to live life.

I'm voting yes to this idea, but I have serious doubts about whether it'll work or not. Those that are reasonable enough to forgive already have, those that keep grudges are the very people that refuse to give up those grudges.

Killer was a good friend of mine, and I hope someday he is able to return and be back here again. However it's been too soon, if we keep letting him off so easily I don't think he'll ever learn. Cspace seems to have the right approach in this case.

[Goku]

Perhaps if KC contacts me while I'm on AIM in a responsible fashion and we discuss all this we can get things sorted out more quickly.

LOL, how is he gonna see this, to even know he should IM you?

And Tick, or whatever, he's been a member for quite some time... Lost mod powers a while ago...

[Cspace]

LOL, how is he gonna see this, to even know he should IM you?

If I'm not mistaken he has been on from school or an alternative ISP during the past few days. If he doesn't see it, it wouldn't be difficult for me to send him a message. Besides, it seems that he continues to hear about what's posted here through others, he is not entirely in the dark.

[Dragonman]

We never do get to have reasonable talks with any "troublemakers" or washever. Must be why it all starts up again, banning doesn't do the trick. Banning will keep them away from the forums and any arguements so that somebody can just have a reasonable chat with him and try to help solve the problem.

[CongressJon]

I understand the mentality behind all of your comments. I really do. The only problem is that if many people are unwilling to drop grudges, and we cannot even attempt to welcome anyone back, then this whole would be almost virtually worthless! While I am having second thoughts on Killerconvic, at any rate, there are just certain people that we would need to at least try with. The whole purpose of this, in my mind, was to at least attempt to make peace with everyone, sort of even a new beginning in a sense. But I'm beginning to see why this might not work; because of certain lines of hatred that have run too deep; because of the insults taken as blows to the temple by soon, irreversible in their intensity.