[Mobster101]

If there are aliens. why would hey come here? And why wouldn't there be definitive sighting (I know somone will say they saw one). Why do they go to the deep south instead of flying into LA and causing a sceen? why does area 51 if they have an alien, ocasionaly try to pull us in with alien stories and no proof? I belive that there are no aliens and if there truly are, then why hasn't somthing ahppend that can't be explained? every video or whatever i've seen can be justified if people would use commen sence. what is every1 elses oppion on this?

[Traver]

Well since you believe in everything the bible says, you're contradicting yourself pretty severely.

[Phorgot]

i believe in aliens..

[Mobster101]

Well since you believe in everything the bible says, you're contradicting yourself pretty severely.

pleas especify

[serpharimon]

Let's see.. Aliens are supposed to be a superior race. So if you found a new world, that no one else knew about, don't you think if you just stumble in on them, and try to communicate with them they'd freak out? Of course! Humans are scared of what they don't know. Sure, there are a lot of definite sightings of aliens and contact from them. Do most of us choose to believe them? Nope. How do you know Area 51 has an alien? Area 51 is where they're supposed to be doing government research on UFOs and aliens. Doesn't mean they have one. And I don't ever recall them trying to pull you in with alien stories. The media has due to Area 51's actions. Many things have happened that can't be explained. But the government steps in before anything happens, and explains it for us using bogus statements. The government has covered up plenty of things.

Sure, I believe in them. There's just so much proof out there saying that they do exist. We should get Cspace in here, he knows what he's talking about when it comes to space and aliens.

[Mobster101]

Let's see.. Aliens are supposed to be a superior race. So if you found a new world, that no one else knew about, don't you think if you just stumble in on them, and try to communicate with them they'd freak out? Of course! Humans are scared of what they don't know. Sure, there are a lot of definite sightings of aliens and contact from them. Do most of us choose to believe them? Nope. How do you know Area 51 has an alien? Area 51 is where they're supposed to be doing government research on UFOs and aliens. Doesn't mean they have one. And I don't ever recall them trying to pull you in with alien stories. The media has due to Area 51's actions. Many things have happened that can't be explained. But the government steps in before anything happens, and explains it for us using bogus statements. The government has covered up plenty of things.

Sure, I believe in them. There's just so much proof out there saying that they do exist. We should get Cspace in here, he knows what he's talking about when it comes to space and aliens.

Area 51 is nothing but a goverment research facility building airplanes. They desighned and built the B2 Bobmer there. I believe the alien storie was somthing made to make us think there a alien research facility, but in reality they biuld planes. What proof is there? Tell me, i think i've got answers and please don't pull "crop cicles" on me.

[Crown]

Let's see.. Aliens are supposed to be a superior race. So if you found a new world, that no one else knew about, don't you think if you just stumble in on them, and try to communicate with them they'd freak out? Of course! Humans are scared of what they don't know. Sure, there are a lot of definite sightings of aliens and contact from them. Do most of us choose to believe them? Nope. How do you know Area 51 has an alien? Area 51 is where they're supposed to be doing government research on UFOs and aliens. Doesn't mean they have one. And I don't ever recall them trying to pull you in with alien stories. The media has due to Area 51's actions. Many things have happened that can't be explained. But the government steps in before anything happens, and explains it for us using bogus statements. The government has covered up plenty of things.

Sure, I believe in them. There's just so much proof out there saying that they do exist. We should get Cspace in here, he knows what he's talking about when it comes to space and aliens.

Area 51 is nothing but a goverment research facility building airplanes. They desighned and built the B2 Bobmer there. I believe the alien storie was somthing made to make us think there a alien research facility, but in reality they biuld planes. What proof is there? Tell me, i think i've got answers and please don't pull "crop cicles" on me.

If its *supposedly* an aircraft facility that builds planes, why are they so paranoid and that they are *forced* to use weapons on you if you take a step on area 51 and they have all those gadgets that watch you and have security guards 24/7

[serpharimon]

There's your counter proof, Triple. What other research facility that makes planes have motion detectors, robotic machine guns, guards patrolling on jeeps with mounted guns, and a restricted fly zone (If you go in it, you're shot down. No questions asked. No excuses needed. Just shot right there.)? I don't even think Fort Knox, the White House, the Pentagon, and the Declaration of Independence have that much security combined. Area 51 is also credited with the fake moon landing. It's said it was staged there. There's a lot of evidence that supports it. Like in the videos, there are more than 3 light sources. The pictures don't match up with the frames (Something about the aiming). If you speed up the video, it's directly similar to people running.

Again, we really can't give "unexplained happenings" because the government has already covered them up to look real. Like Rosewell. They say it was a blimp crash, but people who were actually there, and took the 'foil' said it was nothing of this earth. You could crumple it up, and it'd go back to its original form. They found 3? alien bodies. Two dead, one alive. They did an autopsy on one of the aliens, and recorded it on video. Stephen Spielburg said it would be impossible to replicate something that life like nowadays, so how would it be possible way back then?

There was a crash somewhere else, I forget, where the military was there within 8 minutes. They had everything blocked off in an 8 mile radius of the object. Sources say it looked like a giant bell with strange markings and a slight glow that fell from space. The army took it away in around 30 minutes of the crash.

There are books on this kind of stuff, you know? Along with shows. One of the educational channels tries to connect UFOs with the Bible, even. Go rent a movie. Go borrow a book. Although I don't think that will help. If you won't take our word for it, why will you take someone else's? This is why people don't learn, because they're stubborn, and refuse to open their mind to new possibilities.

[Traver]

Well since you believe in everything the bible says, you're contradicting yourself pretty severely.

pleas especify

Well since you can believe in what a book says without having any proof whatsoever, why can't you believe in aliens withough haveing any proof whatsoever that they exist?

[Mobster101]

Well since you believe in everything the bible says, you're contradicting yourself pretty severely.

pleas especify

Well since you can believe in what a book says without having any proof whatsoever, why can't you believe in aliens withough haveing any proof whatsoever that they exist?

Because i'll believe in my faith no matter what, just like you will. Please don't call the bible "a book" its ofenseive to some people and i'm one of them. Can you see air? NO! But do you belive its there? Of course you do, but you don't have proof that the air is there because you can't see it. Sure scientist make it easy to beilive in air becasue of tests, But when it comes to your faith you have to beileve without actually "seeing". But there is proof that there is a god, every day when you wake up if god wasn't there there would be no sun. seeing is not beliveing bieliving is seeing. When you found out about seeD had you seen it? NO. but you trusted whoever told you it was there. Its the same for your faith, you have to trust. Traver i just asked "do you belive in aliens" but you bring up my faith. I'll talk all day about my faith if thats what it takes to bring just one, just one to christ. But ihave all the proof i need that theres a god, every day miracles happen, every day things happen. All the proof i need is right there. I beielve in god because i know he's there. But I can't see him. And, yet, i can see him. When a baby smiles, or when i look into the night stars and see the sky. I see god, usawally i would't talk about these thing but god gave me the strength.
About aliens though, area 51 desings and build top secret fighter jets and weapons. They don't want someone stealing there weapons or ideas or finding out about them. If you knew what went on there, heck, if i knew all that went on there. We would understand why such measures are taken. So if you wnt to tell me to read a book, how about you read one. Try to read one thing then compare it to another. But i'm not going to tolerate people chalenging my faith when i'm trying to make a good heated debate.

[serpharimon]

Well since you believe in everything the bible says, you're contradicting yourself pretty severely.

pleas especify

Well since you can believe in what a book says without having any proof whatsoever, why can't you believe in aliens withough haveing any proof whatsoever that they exist?

Because i'll believe in my faith no matter what, just like you will. Please don't call the bible "a book" its ofenseive to some people and i'm one of them. Can you see air? NO! But do you belive its there? Of course you do, but you don't have proof that the air is there because you can't see it. Sure scientist make it easy to beilive in air becasue of tests, But when it comes to your faith you have to beileve without actually "seeing". But there is proof that there is a god, every day when you wake up if god wasn't there there would be no sun. seeing is not beliveing bieliving is seeing. When you found out about seeD had you seen it? NO. but you trusted whoever told you it was there. Its the same for your faith, you have to trust. Traver i just asked "do you belive in aliens" but you bring up my faith. I'll talk all day about my faith if thats what it takes to bring just one, just one to christ. But ihave all the proof i need that theres a god, every day miracles happen, every day things happen. All the proof i need is right there. I beielve in god because i know he's there. But I can't see him. And, yet, i can see him. When a baby smiles, or when i look into the night stars and see the sky. I see god, usawally i would't talk about these thing but god gave me the strength.
About aliens though, area 51 desings and build top secret fighter jets and weapons. They don't want someone stealing there weapons or ideas or finding out about them. If you knew what went on there, heck, if i knew all that went on there. We would understand why such measures are taken. So if you wnt to tell me to read a book, how about you read one. Try to read one thing then compare it to another. But i'm not going to tolerate people chalenging my faith when i'm trying to make a good heated debate.

You contridicted yourself so many times, I lost count. Let's go one at a time.

1.) Faith is just that, faith. You don't need proof to have faith. By the way: you can see the air. Have you looked at the sky lately? The sky is the air, it's there because it's blue. We know it's blue because it reflects off blue light when the sun hits it. So, your God made the air, yet you question it. Why is that? The Bible says not to question God, so don't do it.

2.) There's no hardcore evidence that God exists. If so, why is he letting thousands die each day? Why is he permitting wars and killings in his name? Why did the Catholics invent the Pope? Why do the Catholics seem to think that priests can forgive people of their sins, when it clearly states in the Bible that no one else can.

3.) You say believing is seeing, so did you see your God first hand? Didn't think so. H e said He wasn't going to show Himself until His second coming, which hasn't happened yet (To most people).

4.) How do you know what Area 51 does? Did you read a book on it? How did you know God existed? Did you read a book on that? Of course you have. People are told one thing, so they can find out the truth. You obviouslly found your faith by investigating, but you weren't provided with hardcore evidence on it, hence faith and not proof. This is why Traver brought it up. Traver said if you can believe that something doesn't exist with no proof, how can you believe something exists with no proof? He was doing exactly what you told him to do.

5.) If you want to start a religious debate, you wouldn't even begin to think of how much information I have against the Christian and Catholic religions. But, I'm a nice guy and won't ruin your life with the religious debates, since they can get out of hand. And I won't permit one to happen in my forum.

[Phorgot]

i believe in aliens

[Mobster101]

serphmarion just because your a mod i'm not going to bow to you. I didn't contracdict myself. I didn't start this as a religues debate, traver made it one. Now about why douse he let people die each day. Maybe he wants them to come home, to heaven. In the bible god said that there would allways be wars, god could stop it if he wanted, but he doesent. I'll be honest soetimes thats hard for me to comprehend. Your right faith is faith. Is there hardcor evidence that there are aliens? no. But god has proven he's there, every day he proves that. I haven't challenged your or any1 elses belifs i defend my own. Anbd i will until the day i day i die. I came on these forums to have fun and talk about stuff, not to have my faith chalenged. PM me do whatever i can come back with an answer to any christian bashing question you've got but this a an alien debate. so please pm me i'll be glad to talk about it but don't bash my faith or any1 elses. By beileving is seeing i ment if you belive in somthing and trust god or anything you will see it. i'm sure you belived in santa when you were little, did you ever see the north pole or rudolf? no but your belived they were and you beilived santa was in every mall in the world too. i'm sick of you guys bashing my faith. please don't and please stop making this topic into a religeos discusion. about area 51 i didn't read i book on it, my dad who's has worked as a cop for 22 allmost 23 years has talked to people high up in the goverment, and i trust him.

[serpharimon]

serphmarion just because your a mod i'm not going to bow to you. I didn't contracdict myself. I didn't start this as a religues debate, traver made it one. Now about why douse he let people die each day. Maybe he wants them to come home, to heaven. In the bible god said that there would allways be wars, god could stop it if he wanted, but he doesent. I'll be honest soetimes thats hard for me to comprehend. Your right faith is faith. Is there hardcor evidence that there are aliens? no. But god has proven he's there, every day he proves that. I haven't challenged your or any1 elses belifs i defend my own. Anbd i will until the day i day i die. I came on these forums to have fun and talk about stuff, not to have my faith chalenged. PM me do whatever i can come back with an answer to any christian bashing question you've got but this a an alien debate. so please pm me i'll be glad to talk about it but don't bash my faith or any1 elses. By beileving is seeing i ment if you belive in somthing and trust god or anything you will see it. i'm sure you belived in santa when you were little, did you ever see the north pole or rudolf? no but your belived they were and you beilived santa was in every mall in the world too. i'm sick of you guys bashing my faith. please don't and please stop making this topic into a religeos discusion. about area 51 i didn't read i book  on it, my dad who's has worked as a cop for 22 allmost 23 years has talked to people high up in the goverment, and i trust him.

Look, no one's bashing your religion. It's just hard to defend a faith. This debate has gone out of control, already. Jeesh, I didn't want you to bow down to me. We were created equally, so we should be treated like it.

If I could have everyone's cooperation on this, I'd like this debate to stop talking about religion, and focus on the main point- aliens. The religion was only supposed to be used as an analogy, not turn into a debate about it.

A debate can't be won if someone doesn't change their opinion about something. So we're not getting anywhere here. We have our beliefs backed by our evidence, while you have your beliefe, backed by.. Well, I didn't see anything to back up your story.

[Spikeout]

algae lives on mars r they considered aleins ?

i think aliens r real. our living condition (water air food) mite be different from alien living condition (???). so there mite b a chacne of them being out there somewere