[©allum]

Jedi are the bad guys omfg, wahat!!1/??!?1

[Jedi Luke]

The 7-month period of peace, an  armisitice, a grand alliance of any and all clan who wishes to join and sign the pact or agree to it. There would be a peace-and harmony among all people who play, and not just the high level clans, low-level and starting out clans as well. There would be no wars between the affiliated clans, except for peaceful trade, talk, fun events  etc. between the clans, and the clans would help eachother out intimes of trouble.

What is this about? You describe a Jedi ideal. On your own forums, you say that "RuneScape is not meant to be civilized" and that you declared war on us for our compassionate views.

No, the Jedi are not the antagonists of the situation. Better Alive is deceiving you with a compassionate alter-ego that almost got him into our clan. When we caught him trying to cause a revolt (twice) we banned him. Then, he started his clan for the sole purpose of warring us. The Jedi are an honest clan.

As far as peace goes, I know you do not wish for peace. That is why your clan rages of a war, which they wish to happen this sunday (on the sacred day of the council election announcment, no less). But no. You showed up at our last meeting without prior consent, and confronted us. We will call the next shot. The final battle shall be on april 17th. Followers of both clans are restless about the uncertain outcome of the last battle, and crave a rematch. It is only reasonable to grant them one more. After this, we may talk of peace. But for now, there is no need to involve SeeD in our troubles.

This post has been edited by Jedi Luke: 09 April 2005 - 03:48 PM

[Baseballl]

But for now, there is no need to involve SeeD in our troubles.

I agree That would have to be the smartest thing I've heard in this topic yet. You solve your problems and then we will talk about an alliance

[Katosan430]

who the heck said that i'm trying to involve SeeD in our war, its quite obvious that the rs jedi dont like the peace agreement, the 7-month period of peace, anyone who doesnt like peace is surely consumed with an evil nature of some sort, and then when someone tries to further diminish a perfectly good pact by lambasting and perverting it by making it out like the creator is evil, i will not let anything get in the way of the 7-month-period of peace among all clans, come hell or high water or if sadly neccessary clan wars to make the 7-month-period of peace come true, the rs jedi wish for war instead of a great grand peace, and they further try to lambast me by saying taht i'm trying to drag a perfectly peaceful clan like SeeD into the conflict, BAH HUMBUG I SAY TO SUCH POPPYCOCK! After all, i am not the monster here.

[Katosan430]

Sorry to double post, but......dont the honorable members of seed, like baseball and star jedi agree with me, that one who wishes for war rather then peace is surely evil? yes, arent i right?With whatever kind of respect jedi luke may possibly deserve, he has show his true nature, his true side, he has choosen eviil in the sense that he has declared a formal war rather then accpeting peace, i shall accept his proposal in the name of peace and prosperity to destroy his evil clan and his evil dictatorship council, and i once his clan gets shoved out of the waay, i shall move on to bring about our 7 months of peace or 7 years of peace which ever clans may want.

[Phorgot]

i like warring, its fun

[Katosan430]

Clan wars are fun yes, and inv order to achieve the 7-month peace, clan wars may be neccessary.

[Baseballl]

SeeD won't get involved in your war, though. I don't see why Jedi Luke can't stop wanting to fight, obviously Better Alive would like to. There have been off-shoots of SeeD, in a good way, and we don't frown upon them. You should be happy that somebody wants to model their clan after you, if this is even true.

A clan is a clan and not a single one is identical or a copy of the other. RS Siths is in no way copying your clan. Alot of clans put the name RS in front, do you complain about them?

The point is, war doesn't solve anything. It doesn't destroy a clan, it doesn't take away their forums, it doesn't drive out members.... You just respawn and start again, big deal. Peace gives more opportunity and more achievement than war. Please take this into consideration Jedi Luke, a war won't help you at all. Better Alive wants peace, not a war, so why try to fight him? Don't claim that he is bad or a copy cat, you are the one that doesn't want peace.

[Phorgot]

yea SeeD doesn't war, we're peaceful

[Cspace]

These situations come up fairly frequently as a result of war or similar actions, it is really hard to end these arguments without both sides coming to some form of agreement or compromise. It can be hard, but at times it can be good for everyone to just bite the bullet and let things be... If no other solution seems possible.

If there is one thing which we have found, clan wars almost never solve conflicts that don't have a basis in the game itself.

Obviously both the Jedi and the Sith take pride in their strength. At least from my perspective they also seem to have similar goals and to some extent value the same traits in a clan. Why not form an alliance of some sort to go after others with differing goals? If you would like a noble cause for war there are many clans out there who prey on small clans... Going after these 'destroy-em-all' clans could give both of your clans a name if successful and known.

In the end wouldn't both the Jedi and Sith come out on top? Perhaps even SeeD would help you if you choose these honorable fights.

Just throwing some things out in the open for people to chew on, maybe both clans can come to an agreement which can benefit each.

[Katosan430]

hmm, that could be a possibility, but no matter what i would say, with respect to jedi luke, he would still want the complete destruction of the sith, many of my members are fueled by a hatred against the rs jedi because of the way rs jedi treated some of its now former members who have fallen to the sith. I do value peace, no war, and i know that hatred on both sides are inevitably self-destructing both clans, the rs jedi and the rs sith. Believe it or not, i tried for peace, some jedi wouldnt hear of it, they wanted war, how do i back down from a challenge, i would like that answer from a SeeD please.

[Bodom]

Taking the film to far

[©allum]

I was at a star wars convention in costume, what'd I miss?

[Baseballl]

Lets not insult him because of his name guys... Leftyy, you saw what happened to Sajones after he insulted Better Alive, don't act like him

[Jedi Luke]

Put away your forked tongue! Dont you lecture me as one who is wicked, I have been involved in this peace-loving clan for three years! Everyone in your clan has flamed me, and spammed me with messages of war, that is why the war must be fought! And my suspisions are not based on a devious corner of my imagination, but rather a consistent pattern of your past behaviors and contradictions.

I will now post your values system as seen on your forum, which are a blatant contradiction to your "peaceful nature."

1.PKING, the process of killing a player in the Runescape Wilderness is completely and totaly allowed. Unlike other clans, you are allowed to kill pkers and keep their belongings for YOURSELF!.

2.Be Exellent to eachother (fellow Sith-Chaos Alliance members)

3.Do not attempt to assassinate clan leaders in the Wilderness.

4.HAVE FUN!

5.Develop a sense of unforgiving carnage and the ability to spread chaos and mass disruption among the runescape lands and players.

6.help fellowmen (includes female members) when they are in need. If you cant help em then thats ok, you dont have to help fellow members if you dont feel like it.

7.If givin a assignment that requires brutality in the wild, you must at all costs complete the missio, for you will be rewarded most greatly.

8.Do not say thy dark lord's name in vain (thats me, i'm the dark lord of the Sith Clan)

9.Attempt to respect our clan leaders, our ten commandments, and your fellowmen.

10.Lastly, the final 10th commandment....KILL PLAYERS IN WILD! CREATE ANARCHY IN OTHER CLANS! DESTROY OTHER CLANS! ALL IN THE NAME OF THE SITH-CHAOS DARK ALLIANCE.

Honestly. What the hell? This is just like before. Let me list all known occurances that Better Alvie has been caught playing an alter-ego role:

1) When he first arrived at our forums, he warned us that "a sith caln was plotting revenge and he wanted to help." Then, he posted on our forum as the "Sith Lord" saying "you should have listened to that better alive guy in the first place!" Well, the sith lord's ip matched BA's. So, he was placed on Jedi trial for toying with us.

2) He would not have recieved his trial, if not for his convincing "change of heart" declarations. He said he had changed and that he would serve the clan well. So, he was trialed and let off with a minor punishment (temporary forum banishment). Then, the evening of his trial, he told me yet ANOTHER evil clan set to undo ours. I went to the forum he gave me, and saw that the e-mail address of the board master matched Better Alive's. Yet again, caught red-handed. Then, on a unanymous council decision, he was banished.

3) He began his clan, making his #1 priority to destroy my own three and a half year old clan. He bribed Jedi to join him, and sent waves of spies to our forum. Then, he went to a powerful clan known as the Lava Dragons, impersonating Jedi Knight Cronocrimsoa (who he for some reason holds a severe grudge against) on their forums. He declared war in a manner that violated our code, as if to have Crono banished and the powerful lava dragons opposed to us. Well, he then posted under his own name, asking to be their ally. We suggested to the LD's that it was BA, based on his frequent references to the sith clan. The IP matched up again. The Lava Dragons allied with us, and BA was caught red handed yet AGAIN.

Now, he speaks of peace? He points fingers at us? This is an outrage. My friends, if you take a liking to this Better Alive character, and decide to befriend him, do not do so based on his farce here. Perhaps I shouldn't judge him based on his constant history of offense. Perhaps one shouldn't judge a book by its contents. I am an esspecially compassionate fellow, but this Better Alive creature has betrayed my forgiveness all too many times, and further diminishes his character in my eyes everytime he plays out his deceit

Do you deny it, Master Sith? Any of it at all? Say so, I will provide evidence.

Since there seems to be no other way of contacting you, the war is to be held on April 17th. I have already informed Timespitter, who promised to relay the message to you. If you do not meet us, it wil go down as a no-show and be remembered as such. Either way, this is the LAST and ONLY time the Jedi will fight you again, reguardless of the outcome. We have plenty of other things to be doing.

This post has been edited by Jedi Luke: 10 April 2005 - 01:09 AM