[©allum]

Half of the eligible voters or half the whole population?

[Baseballl]

Half of the eligible voters, but their vote generally doesn't count anyway. The electorals aren't required to cast their vote in favor of the majority in the state.

[©allum]

Ok.

We should get back on topic now.

[Baseballl]

I would have to say that in the next elections, it should be put down on paper for the whole country to vote on. If it goes through, then it should be allowed. However, I'm strongly opposed to giving them any rights earned through marriage and health care should be on an individual basis in that "marriage".

[©allum]

There's one that's just been passed here in NZ called the Civil Union Bill.

http://www.maxim.org.../civilunion.php

If the US could adopt one similar to this then I think it could keep *most* happy.

[Aaron]

I would have to say that in the next elections, it should be put down on paper for the whole country to vote on. If it goes through, then it should be allowed. However, I'm strongly opposed to giving them any rights earned through marriage and health care should be on an individual basis in that "marriage".

Makes sense, but I have a feeling it would not pass. Great thought Baseballl

[Baseballl]

Well yeah, I'm 99% positive it wouldn't go through, lol I wouldn't vote for it anyway, but it is an idea that would satisfy the need for gays to be noticed in society, more of an attention seeker than an actual want.

[Neraphym]

1. Gay Marrige Ban is a direct assault on the freedom and rights of gay people. No one on earth should have any right to say a couple should not be able to wed. It isn't hurting anyone, so why not allow it?

2. Regulus, I still think you're crazy worrying about the reversal of spheres. (In his "future" blacks will enslave whites and gays will shun straight people.) If you're afraid of the human race going extinct because we all turn gay... will you be my lover?

3. Just about everything we do is pointless... throw that arguement out the window.

4. There are a lot more gay or bi people that you might think. The reason you don't see so many is because they are all afraid of persecution. I've heard stories of people being killed because they were gay (right here in America... a kid, too). I don't want to live in a county that does these things.

5. The bible also says tons of nasty stuff. I'll grab up some quotes later.

6. Base and Leftyy, no more talking about the elections. Let's stay on track. (We all know how poor the electoral college is. It wouldn't even let me with my 2064 on the new SAT's)

[Final F8]

More gays, more ladies for us straights, right?. That's not selfish .....

ok, lame jokes aside....I'm not sticking up for gays, but I'm not putting them down either. I think being gay is disgusting, but I also do believe them when they say it's not their fault. It's like taste buds, why do you think people like and dislike different foods? and sometimes you won't like a particular food when you're young, but then when youre older, you like that food? Their taste buds are all different and they were born like that, or have somehow changed as the person matured. I think it's the same with someone's sexuality.
Christians who try to push their religion onto other people are worse tho. Mobster, using the bible is a bad way to prove a point. Especially with people (like me) who DO NOT believe in God or any of that garbage

[Mobster101]

your not draging me into another reliegious descussion traver

Yeah, he isn't because you already made it a religious discussion.

No i used religeon as an anti-gay defens so there!

More gays, more ladies for us straights, right?. That's not selfish .....

ok, lame jokes aside....I'm not sticking up for gays, but I'm not putting them down either. I think being gay is disgusting, but I also do believe them when they say it's not their fault. It's like taste buds, why do you think people like and dislike different foods? and sometimes you won't like a particular food when you're young, but then when youre older, you like that food? Their taste buds are all different and they were born like that, or have somehow changed as the person matured. I think it's the same with someone's sexuality.
Christians who try to push their religion onto other people are worse tho. Mobster, using the bible is a bad way to prove a point. Especially with people (like me) who DO NOT believe in God or any of that garbage

DAMN IT! i'm sick of this! everything i post in when i use what i belive as freedom of speech saying my opion my religeon is bashed. I used the bible as a point, its what i belive in, no more than what you belive in. how would you guys feel if i said, "shut your mouth you bi-sexual f@gs! and red your going stareight to hell because you belive in a bunch of *^&^&^!"? and dude we are COMANDED to push our "religeon" btw i don't have a "religeon" persay, my relibeon is the bible. and the bible never says "nasty stuff". you were all warned to get off religeon, so do it.

[Goto]

I'm not gay, but I really can't fathom why some people seem hellbent upon stopping other people doing what they want.

Any argument which relies on it being considered 'wrong' or 'against the bible' or anything of the sort is pretty stupid. Americans are supposed to have the freedom to believe what they want. If I don't believe in Christianity, then why should I care what the Bible says in any case?

While Reg's answer works from one perspective, we're far more likely to die out from overpopulation than from underpopulation. China has their 'one child policy' in place in order to limit how much their population is rising, and they're still in some pretty major trouble. India is trying a less drastic approach of providing more sex education and prevention to the citizens, but with such a huge population they really don't have enough funds to do an adequate job. From that perspective, anything which is going to stop some people have children is actually quite welcome. By not having children of their own, they raise the quality of life for everyone else. Much more Selfless than it is Selfish, seen from that angle.

It is true, they can't have children of their own. Somebody pointed out that they can adopt. I think that's great. Do you have any idea how much of the world's population is leaving in poor conditions, can't support themselves, and so forth? Not even just in third-world countries, there are a lot of homeless even in the 'lucky' countries. If two gay or lesbian people decide to give some poor child a second chance at life, how is that selfish? Not only are they not adding to the population explosion, they're helping out children that otherwise will never stand a chance in life.


I don't know many homosexuals, and probably still carry prejudices against them, because they're deeply ingrained in our society. I'd imagine that is quite normal for quite a lot of other people out there in the world. Lets say hypothetically (and apparently quite correctly) that we have little to no choice in our sexual preference. So people can't help being or not being gay. However the same certainly can't be said of our attitudes, we certainly have control over how we want to treat these people. Shunning them seems no different to religious persecution to me. Letting them do what they want does nobody any harm in the slightest, the sooner people learn to accept that the better.

[Neraphym]

the bible never says "nasty stuff".

Rofl! Have you even read the bible? Murder, rape, sexism, racism, slavery, child abuse, and many other horrible things are PROMOTED by your bible.

Evil Bible

[Traver]

True, i always found it funny how the Devil is the bad guy, even though he never really does anything in the Bible, whereas God, who kills everyone on Earth, casts plagues upon poor Egyptians and turns a whole village into salt (or whatever), is the good guy. But so are the ways of religion, I guess.

[Red Sentinel]

your not draging me into another reliegious descussion traver

Yeah, he isn't because you already made it a religious discussion.

No i used religeon as an anti-gay defens so there!

More gays, more ladies for us straights, right?. That's not selfish .....

ok, lame jokes aside....I'm not sticking up for gays, but I'm not putting them down either. I think being gay is disgusting, but I also do believe them when they say it's not their fault. It's like taste buds, why do you think people like and dislike different foods? and sometimes you won't like a particular food when you're young, but then when youre older, you like that food? Their taste buds are all different and they were born like that, or have somehow changed as the person matured. I think it's the same with someone's sexuality.
Christians who try to push their religion onto other people are worse tho. Mobster, using the bible is a bad way to prove a point. Especially with people (like me) who DO NOT believe in God or any of that garbage

DAMN IT! i'm sick of this! everything i post in when i use what i belive as freedom of speech saying my opion my religeon is bashed. I used the bible as a point, its what i belive in, no more than what you belive in. how would you guys feel if i said, "shut your mouth you bi-sexual f@gs! and red your going stareight to hell because you belive in a bunch of *^&^&^!"? and dude we are COMANDED to push our "religeon" btw i don't have a "religeon" persay, my relibeon is the bible. and the bible never says "nasty stuff". you were all warned to get off religeon, so do it.

Mobster, stop that RIGHT NOW

[Mobster101]

The bible never promotes that stuff.......every1 god killed was because they were absolute EVIL. and have you ever noticed that doesent happen anymore?? sure there are wars in isreal but the bible said there would no never be peace over there.
God is very mysterius no1 knows why he does anything. the devil is the one who wants every1 to live in pain forever. not god. ohh just f*ck it......
and no you stop red.............