[Baseballl]

Topic: Is President Bush A Good President for the U.S.?
Yes: Mobster101
No: Cspace2

Competition Ends: May 16th, 3 PM Eastern.

[Mobster101]

Ok, here we go. First I would like to say hello to cspace2 and to say I hope we have a good debate. (+1)


I believe that Bush is a god US president. He is, honest, hard fighting, and he has experience. His father was a president and his brother is a sGovernor. He has the know-how and the history to lead our country. Now, if you look at his presidency (sp?) and say he has destroyed the economy and brought us into a war. But, the economy wasn't that good before hand. And, in this "war" we have ended main-stream terrorism and defeated one of the biggest terrorists in the world. And the president was re-elected which shows me MOST of America thinks he is a good president and some say that you can't disagree with the masses.. (+3)

I believe the world feels safer with Bush as president and I belief he is a great president and that is my first post in this debate as well as my feelings.

Sincerely,
Mobster101

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This post has been edited by Baseballl: 09 May 2005 - 08:05 PM

[ticktockclok]

First off, Hey Mobster, and I hope we have a great debate. (+1)

Now, if you look at his presidency (sp?) and say he has destroyed the economy and brought us into a war. But, the economy wasn't that good before hand.

That statement is completely wrong. Bush had entered office with the strongest economy in US History, and in less than two years, he sent every economic category down. He set an economic record for most bankruptcies in a twelve month period. He broke the record for biggest economic deficit in world history. He was elected for his first term by losing the elections by half a million votes. (+3)

http://www.pollingre...com/BushJob.htm Look at this website. Tell me that this president with a 47% job approval rating shows that most of America thinks he is a good President. (+2)

and the history to lead our country.

What?

I'll leave my other arguments for later.

Thanks,
Cspace

My sources: http://www.badbadbush.com/ (+5)

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This post has been edited by Baseballl: 10 May 2005 - 07:03 PM

[Mobster101]

First off, you can't look at an internet poll..because that depends on the people who visited that site. My poll is two elections, both of them bush was elected.
Now, my statement about history was that he has a Governor brother, a 2-term president Father, and he himself has been a great leader in other areas. So, his FAMILY history shows he has great leaders behind him. (+2)


And, it is not good to use a site called "badbadbush.com" because, if someone doesn't like someone then they cannot have a un-biased opinion with a site named like that. Lets say I don't like leftyy (lets just say) I'm not going to tell everyone he is a great guy and owns the forums. My feelings about him hide my good judgment. So a site that already has people who dislike bush IS NOT a good source for real, non biased information.
Now, is it possible to not like someone and still have a good opinion on them? Sure, but if I was going to post information on leftyy on a website and I wanted to give fair, un-biased information on him my site would not be, www.badbadleftyy.com. Do you get my point? The name implies they allready don't like him, therefor there opions must be biased. (+1)

the economy wasn't that good before

I will admit that was a mistke on my part, and for that I opologize.


(off topic) good comeback c2!

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This post has been edited by Baseballl: 10 May 2005 - 07:07 PM

[ticktockclok]

If you don't like someone, you have a bad opinion of them. No offense meant, but I don't know why 7 lines were needed to explain that.....

The poll was not an internet poll, as you mistakingly think. Many polling companies like this one, Gallup, periodically poll a few thousand American adults. Associated press just did one, which was the one that I spoke of. Please research your 'facts' before stating them for me to debate. (+2)

About the badbadbush thing... so you like bush, but you don't have a biased opinion about him?


I would like to tell you a bit about Bush being a 'flip-flopper'. As you may know, that's what Bush used as a major argument against Kerry in the previous year's elections. However, he himself could be labeled as a 'flip-flopper. (+1)

On 3/3/01 Bush pledged not to touch the Social Security budget. Later, on 2/6/02, Bush diverted 1.4 trillion Dollars in Social Security surplus to other causes. On 11/15/02, Bush said he would not give North Korea any options but to disarm. On 6/23/04, he clearly stated that they would be giving North Korea incentives to disarm. Here's the big one: on 5/29/03, he clearly states that the US has found WMD's. You may remember the whole UN meeting with Colin Powell ignoring his notes and starting to talk freely. Poo, the whole thing. On 2/7/04, he says they still haven't found WMD's. Great President, this guy. (+5)

Source: http://www.americanp...WJcP7H&b=118263 (+5)

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This post has been edited by Baseballl: 12 May 2005 - 06:57 PM

[Mobster101]

There are now 41 countries with a lower infant mortality rate than the U.S.. Roughly 80,000 infant deaths occur each year in this country due mostly to the lack of healthcare or the inability to afford it.

In actuality, the #1 cause of of infant death is "unexplained" MOST of these cases were when infants slept with there parents, this sometimes caused what is called "COT's" disease. Not the lack of healthcare. If a parent really loves there infant then nothing will keep them from treatment. I know people who's baby was born at 25 weeks and there hospital bill will be over a half million dollars. But (and this is also about healthcare) if the baby was lower than a certain weight medicade takes effect, so the saying there's infant death because of healthcare is IN MOST CASES incorrect. There are many affordable life insurance for infants. Such as Gerber Life. (+4)

  Bush holds the U.S. record for the highest number of executions while Governor of Texas. I'm sure there was no question at all of their possible innocence because that never happens in our country..

Next he'll say that OJ and Michael are innocent... If a man is innocent but does get conviccted there usually isn't enough proof to execute them. (+1)

___Abortions are actually up 50% since 2000 mainly because women feel they cannot afford to care for there babies

Women don't have abortions because they can't care for there children, thats what an orphanage is for..Women have them because they are either selfish, or there children would have serious Birth defects. (+1)

___I'm also curious as to how a man so close to God and the compassionate teachings of Christ could let the Assault Weapons Ban expire. With one stroke of a pen or even a simple phone call, the president could have had Congress renew it. Instead, he remained silent and now it's legal to manufacture and purchase AK-47's, Uzi machine guns, Tec-9's, an assortment of sniper rifles, flash suppressors, bayonette mounts, etc. All in all, 19 varieties of assault weapons will now be flooding our streets. When the ban was in effect, there was a 66% drop in assault weapons crime. Ask any police officer how he feels about facing criminals with machine guns. 

Actually, Fully automatic weapons cannot by any means be attained by the public. Now, semi-automatic weapons can be, but you must apply for a permit (legally) and a man (unless mentally insane) with a criminal record is not going to apply for a permit, he's going to go through a black market or somthign like that. Someone with a criminal record CANNOT attain a permit. And only a crazy person (or straw purchase) without a criminal record doesn't go and get one of these guns to comit crimes with. I mean it's not like criminals just wake up and say "I'm gonna rob a bank today" No, they are life-long criminals. (+3)

“I Actually Did Vote For The $87 Billion Before I Voted Against It.”

^^ talk about flip-flopping.


In my opinion your websites have not been conclusive with the facts, and therefor you Have not provided 100% factual Information gainst bush and have no facts against President Bush.

My sources
http://visualintensity.com/john-kerry/ (+5)
http://www.wrongdiag...irth/deaths.htm (+5)
http://www.gerberlife.com/ (+5)

I stayed up very late mounting that defense.
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This post has been edited by Baseballl: 12 May 2005 - 07:10 PM

[Baseballl]

Current score as of this post:

Mobster: 31
Cspace2: 24

[ticktockclok]

I forfeit. This is kinda boring, I was hoping for fun topics like goto had said.

[Baseballl]

You had the chance to pick your own topic for debate and I specifically asked for topic suggestions, but nobody wanted to give me any topics or suggestions.

Mobster wins.