[Kaezion]

so anything that creates controversy should be banned from school?
i guess the first thing should be speech, then, because that's the source of all controversy.

[Spikeout]

Lol, if you want to express your religion then go to a private school. That's what they're for. Public schools is for everyone and many cultures would be greatley offended if they see a non-jew wearing a yamacha or a non-christian wearing a t-shirt with a cross on it. There are some people who don't care about their religion, there are some people who go psychotic with fulfilling what their holy book tells them.

[Kaezion]

Lol, if you want to express your religion then go to a private school. That's what they're for.

so if i want to express my religion i have to be wealthy?

EDIT: i am spacing these two clauses apart, for reasons that they may be misinterpreted.


i'm not a Jew, and i still wore one of those yarmulkes they provided when i went to my friends' bar mitzvahs (13th birthday party). no one was offended.

non-jew wearing a yamacha or a non-christian wearing a t-shirt with a cross on it

and where did that come from? we were talking about Jews wearing yarmulkes, and Christians wearing crosses, in public schools. and besides, non-members of a religion wearing symbols that represent that religion can be interpreted as a mockery of that religion. this is very different from someone expressing pride in his own religion.
so what if some people do go "psychotic with fulfilling with what their holy book tells them"? is that bad? last time i checked, religions are there so that people can practice them, not be indifferent to them. as long as that religious fanatic doesn't infringe upon the rights of other people, he/she can do whatever the hell his/her religion tells him to.
according to you, wearing a cross in school is wrong because it offends some people. well, then, i should go bleach my skin white because there are also people who are offended by my skin color.

This post has been edited by Kaezion: 23 May 2005 - 03:48 AM

[Roadtoad6]

so if i want to express my religion i have to be wealthy?
i'm not a Jew

Are you saying that all Jews are rich? When I read that statement, I hear blatant anti-Semitism. If I'm misreading this, please tell me.

i still wore one of those yarmulkes they provided when i went to my friends' bar mitzvahs (13th birthday party). no one was offended.

It is expected of you when you go into the synagogue's sanctuary. If I go to a friend's house, I have to abide by the rules of his house, no matter how outlandish they may be.

so what if some people do go "psychotic with fulfilling with what their holy book tells them"? is that bad? last time i checked, religions are there so that people can practice them, not be indifferent to them. as long as that religious fanatic doesn't infringe upon the rights of other people, he/she can do whatever the hell his/her religion tells him to.

I agree with you here, Kaezion.

according to you, wearing a cross in school is wrong because it offends some people. well, then, i should go bleach my skin white because there are also people who are offended by my skin color.

Don't drag race into this.

[Kaezion]

so if i want to express my religion i have to be wealthy?
i'm not a Jew

Are you saying that all Jews are rich? When I read that statement, I hear blatant anti-Semitism. If I'm misreading this, please tell me.

i see how you could have misread it. i didnt mean it like you said. the phrase "i'm not a Jew" starts a wholly different idea, in which i was refuting Spikeout's point that Jews might be offended if someone else was wearing a yarmulke, or Christians might be offended if someone else was wearing a cross.

Don't drag race into this.

i'm not "dragging" race into this. can't you see that issues concerning race and religion are built upon the same principles? discrimination, and the ongoing effort to stop such discrimination. race and religion is inseparable. and besides, i'm merely stating what i stated above to prove a point. why should anyone bow down to anyone else other than himself? people have a right to offend other people. there is nothing in the constitution that says "you have a right not to be offended." combined with the 1st amendment that guarantees freedom of speech and religion, the constitution is saying that you have the right to offend other people (if done in a civil manner, of course), and the more you use it, the more you're embracing American principles. America is founded on the notion that no one person will be able to force another into doing something against his/her own will. and as soon as crosses are being confiscated, people's freedoms are being violated.

This post has been edited by Kaezion: 23 May 2005 - 03:54 AM

[Roadtoad6]

Thank you for clarifying.

Also...
You have a very valid point on how race and religious discrimination are related.


As I have stated earlier, if students are using crosses to beleaguer students of different faiths, then teachers have the right to take them away. If a student was throwing a rubber ball at another student, the teacher may confiscate the ball. As teachers aren't supposed to be biased towards any religion, a cross is just an item, like the ball, being used negatively against another student.

If the crosses are being taken away for no reason, then (as Kaezion said):

people's freedoms are being violated.

[Grae_Face]

Misinterepreted he meant when he said "So I have to be wealthy to express my religion?" that you need money to go to private school.

[Kaezion]

yes, that is what i meant to convey.

[Ferret Overlord]

As long as it's not used to persuade someone to convert ( I have no idea how you could), it's pure idiocy.

Of course, if there are religious gangwars...


Pimp My Bible

[skenasis]

im with creamsicle. if theyre just there, then to take them away is pretty stupid.

although, if your school has a uniform policy, then unless its stated in the uniform policy that they are allowed to be worn, then the teachers are in fact allowed to take them away. thats because when your parents sign the papers saying that yes, their son or daughter is going to this school, they are also agreeing that the unifom policy will be followed.

so, if your school has a uniform policy, then unfortunately there isnt much you can do, except be discrete about wearing your cross, such as keeping it hidden under your shirt. if the school doesnt have a uniform policy, then the teachers have no right to take them.

[ticktockclok]

The bible says tell your friends about christ your town your community your country and then the world. if we can't do it at school then how are we suppose to spread the word of Jesus. It is like telling the muselim girl she can't wear her turban to school... wrong choice just lost $100000.

... muslim girls don't wear turbans.....

[Ferret Overlord]

I have a question.

Are they taking away all religious symbols, or just crosses?

If so, I think you should send in a complaint.

It's all or none.

[Crescens]

*sigh*

Organized prayer in public schools was gotten rid of because it deprived non-religious people of their freedom of expression and forced them into it. However, measures such as taking away crosses that are taken more recently are not helping promote freedom of expression or freedom of religion, but instead taking it away. People are so intent that Christianity be outlawed from schools that they deprive people of the very right of religious freedom that forced religious expression once violated. It's despicable.

[Joseph]

Stupid, democrat, liberal, ********!!!!!!!! How dare they!?