[ratzaroony]

he did cheat.  we have proof.  we can get him depeached.  next electtion do your country a favor and vote hillary clinton 2008!

It's impeached.....

[frty12345]

that sentor is not really a democrat. bush is a very bad leader. he knows nothing of polotics. kerry and gore were way better candidates but its the ohioans faults becuse they voted fr him. ohioians....they voted for bush. just like u, u dumb ppl belive what u want ul end up gtin killed fr bushes oil!

This post has been edited by frty12345: 15 August 2005 - 11:51 PM

[Baseballl]

Learn how to debate and stop calling people dumb. Bush does know "polotics" ( Politics for those who like to research and sound atleast a little bit informed in their argument) and we don't know what type of candidate Kerry or Gore would have been seeing as neither of them have been in office, as a President, to find out. Nobody is at fault for Bush getting elected. The country went to the polls and voted for who they wanted to be put in office and the electoral college sent in their requests based on each state's vote.

Now, I voted for Kerry and would have liked to see him in office. Unlike some others in this thread, particularly one person, I'm informed and understand the government and the functions. See, I didn't want Bush as our president, but I will support him since he earned the position at the polls. I might disagree with some of his policies, but I don't say I hate him because I don't like some of his opinions.

In order for you to continue this debate, you should present a valid argument and opinion and not say "I hate Bush and you are dumb". First of all, the war has nothing to do with oil and doesn't give Bush any monitary gains. Second of all, I'm not going to go die for the oil, which isn't the reason for a war. I'm just hoping you will understand that your opinion and argument is simply that of a 3 year old and is a good source for human stupidity at its finest. In order for people to listen to you and not laugh at you, you should introduce a valid argument so we can actually debate.

[Kaezion]

Baseball, you're being too ambiguous for us. Which side are you on, pro-Bush, or anti-Bush? I understand that in real life these categories are simply too absolute, but for the purposes of debate we all have to take one of two sides. However ignorant of politics I might be, I make it clear that I am against Bush. You say you support him, but you disagree with some of his policies, and you would have liked to see Kerry in office - I'm not sure whether that makes you for or against Bush. I'm not trying to force you to join sides or anything like that, I'd just like to see which position you're taking.

[Jarik C-Bol]

i think Base is like me (mostly) in that he wanted something else to happen, but now that its going the way it is, no amount of wishing and yelling will change it, so we may as well show support for what is happening, in a way that can help guide the situation to do as much good as it can do.

(no use crying over spilt milk type thing)

[Kaezion]

so Base = for Bush?

what i was confused about was which side Base was on, at least for the purposes of this debate. yes, he supports Bush now that Base can't do anything about it, but Base also said that he doesn't agree with what Bush is doing. in other words, Base supports Bush in action, while he disagrees with Bush in belief. so my question was, which side was he going to take? is he going to argue FOR Bush in terms of why we should support him, or is he going to argue AGAINST Bush in terms of why what Bush is doing is wrong?

[Jarik C-Bol]

is he going to argue FOR Bush in terms of why we should support him, or is he going to argue AGAINST Bush in terms of why what Bush is doing is wrong?

thats two difrent debates there. One is "what is Bush doing wrong", and the other is "why we should support Bush". they are unique topics that should be debated seperately in my opinion. mixing the two just brings out confusion, as we have already seen.

[Baseballl]

I'm not for or against any president or official. I don't believe in a divided country or divided beliefs. As a human being, I disagree with some of his policies and opinions, but I'm behind him as a president. I'm a Democrat and voted for Kerry, but Bush is my president and I will support him until another is elected. It isn't a matter of who hates Bush and who doesn't, it is a matter of whether you agree or disagree with his policies and opinions.

[Zziggywolf5]

Frty, as far as debating, I have a few tips.

• First of all, try to spell correctly. There's a button to the right of the Smilies that says "Spell Check."
• Second, don't put a bunch of speculation and opinion in your argument. You need facts, or the whole thing falls apart. Here's a few beginning blocks: Democratic Republican
• Also, insulting people is not going to get many people to support you.
• Finally, don't use or listen to one source and take it to heart. People lie.

Just so you know, I personally don't care about your political stand point. It makes no difference to me. I do have a problem with those who trash and attack people and groups who have done nothing except disagree with you. That goes for everything.

[frty12345]

Frty, as far as debating, I have a few tips.

• First of all, try to spell correctly. There's a button to the right of the Smilies that says "Spell Check."
  
• Second, don't put a bunch of speculation and opinion in your argument. You need facts, or the whole thing falls apart. Here's a few beginning blocks: Democratic Republican
  
• Also, insulting people is not going to get many people to support you.
  
• Finally, don't use or listen to one source and take it to heart. People lie.
  

Just so you know, I personally don't care about your political stand point. It makes no difference to me. I do have a problem with those who trash and attack people and groups who have done nothing except disagree with you. That goes for everything.

kk i will keep that in mind i wont insult people.

at least bball voted for the right person

[Baseballl]

Its not a matter of who I voted for, but rather why I voted for the person. You should learn that concept.

[P H U O N G]

erm, I don't want to use the word "hate"on towards others people, I love bush, he is a great person in heart, why hate him? I know that he makes wrong mistakes in life. Don't hate him because he makes the wrong Choice for all of Us. Learn how to love him and accept him for who he is and what he does...

[Neraphym]

[sarcasm] I hate bush because Green Day told me so! [/sarcasm]

I honestly don't think Bush is doing such a bad job. I can't vote, so I really don't have much of a say in anything. I won't, however, even consider voting for Hillary Clinton. That facist wh*r* should NEVER be elected. All she seems to care about is taking away from the rights of defenseless children who can't fight back. First amendment pwnz joo.

[Crescens]

^ Agreed with a bunch of people ^

I don't support everything Bush does. But the extent to which the country is divided is truly sickening. So things didn't go your way? Stop crying about it! Maybe the government might be making more centrist policies if every time they tried to actually do anything it didn't start a war in the senate. Instead of just opposing everything the government tries to do, why not try COOPERATING WITH THE OPPOSING POLITICAL PARTY to create a better policy; that's what the two-party system allows us to do and that's how things should be working. This 50-50 divide is killing the country because the two sides won't cooperate.

[Elvenblader]

What kind of evidence do you have to prove that Bush cheated in the polls and the elections? Do you have any actual proof to prove that he cheated?