[Kimojuno]

Xemen do you have any character or moral obligation at all? I mean come on your a member of seed and a moderator also. Exactly how would this make us jealous? Watching someone get ripped off or the fact that you find something humorous about this in some twisted sense. I really don't find any of this funny, if I was the guy I would have tried to warn him about being ripped off, but sadly idiots and thieves make the world go round. But really Xemen you really need to find some sense of morality, because there is nothing funny about a newcomer, newb, newbie whatever you want to call it getting ripped off. That's my opinon though.

Enough with the making fun of people, if this continues I will be handing out warnings, this isn't a thread to bash people (in fact this isn't a community/clan to do it either). Enough is enough, oh and this goes for everyone else too, I am subscribing to this topic and do not want anymore bashing of people.

Oh and one persons funny is not another persons funny, I believe he was saying that the person was smart to pull it off, whether or not it is right was not brought up -- In fact all he said was he thought it was funny not that it was right.

~ Kimojuno

[halfmike555]

He got a good deal yeah.. but what if he wasnt ripped off.. and he had an extremely rich main account. or something similar?

But if he did get ripped off.. i wouldnt have liked it if it was me.. and neither would you

(not bashing just saying) if thats ok.. if not let me know and ill edit.. basicly because i dont understand bashing.

[Elvenblader]

Hey sorry about that reply I posted, I was busy doign something at the time and got a little carried away, but if the person was ripped off it's not really cool to see them get ripped off.

[Bodom]

I think we're meant to be jealous cos we didnt get full black g for 10k :S? I wouldnt even pay 10k :$

[Xemem]

no sence of humor here...any ways I figiured something out recently( i am not seing that any one else has)...It is a game. nothing more nothing less. so calling into question my moral standards over pixels on a screen. well, it could cuase me to call in to question the priorities of others lol. does a little window rank that high in your life.

heck just the other day I got ripped off for 90k, and I later that day charged 40 per for 3k ess to this rich guy...he may not have liked my price that much but his time was more important to him then to make a big deal of it (most the time I hold onto that stuff and someone aproaches me with a 40 per ess price eventualy).

time ratification(this is a theory soon to be published by my father and is protected by law btw...just saying). what is your time worth to you. my time rite now. it is not worth much. which is why I even botherd to post here in the first place and further then that reply. its why I play thye game alot and why I am at college only 2 days a week. I am not getting payed to do it. we do things in time and by what our time is worth to us. plus I dont even know all the facts...

it isnt like i am mighty mouse over here. if someone was getting strait up scammed yeah id report it. but that was a transaction in which one person got a great deal...the real humor in it is that I have been working really hard towards a suit of that stuff(like I said my time is not worth much lol). and rite under my nose some guy gets off with a full suit for a very good deal.

He got a good deal yeah.. but what if he wasnt ripped off.. and he had an extremely rich main account. or something similar?

how does any one know that isnt the case? and lets say it was a guy fresh off toutorial island. first he gets a suit of full armour that looks pretty good and then 10k for it...thats alot in the world of a newb. heck much more and he wouldn't know what to do with it. lets say the guy gave him a good price of about 250k (they range from about 250k-350k depending). then you have something really dangerous in the game...a rich person who doesn't know the value of things lol.

maybe he would go buy a gold necklass and full steel for 40k...meat for 10k, and a pink skirt for 15k to top it off? how does that effect the perspective on value(spreading that much cash around so poorly) amongst other noobs? how many more times would he be ripped off in the course of even 2 hours with that much money?

a strait up scam is wrong...but this was a deal where one person made out really well and another didnt(and most likely for his own good in the end lol). and at the moment it happend no one could have done anything becuase we don't have window into what other people are trading. I was there while it happend yeah. but I onl;y had an odd feeling and got filled in on the details after the fact.

all he did was good buisness for himself and for all that noob still may know he got a good deal. would it have helped or harmed to inform him that he didnt do so well? no one can say for certain. we can all have an opinion about it, but thats all it is.

right and wrong are very loose things on a large scale.

scenerio: a man is about to fall off a bridge he is corssing and die...if he doesn't the next day he will get drunk and hit a bus full of school children( a few of whom will die).... you have for sight of this situation. do you save the man or let him die.

a look at the options is not really pretty from any perspective. if you let him die you are in effect a murderer, and have condemed a man to a crime he has not yet commited.

letting him live could be just the same as you condem children to death for them having done nothing wrong.

the best thing to do would probably be to save the children as that is a few lives wayed against one rite?

well what if later in life this man has a child that grows up to be the best leader any one has ever seen. or if one of those kids is the next jeffrey dohmer. but these are not things we can weigh...and this is not a situation that any of us will liekly ever be in. all we can do is work with what we know. and know that the best thing is not always the rite thing nor is the worste thing always the wrong thing...basicaly we can only do what we can and hope for the best...hope. the greatest of pandoras' evils contained in her jar(it was actualy a jar and not a box) and left their for people to use or not use as they see fit.

I have been going through some odd times here yes. but I finaly beggining to arrive at a point of clarity for my self. and wont let any one tear me from it.

and about how it reflects on seed...it doesnt. my screen name is not clan seed lol...its clayron, or gaivin.

and my modship? I have said it before I am not really much of a mod...I am not really all to sure how I came into having that tag on my name. I am content to stay where I am. but am not apposed to loosing that little thingy that says I am a mod, or keeping it. I have always been indifferent and puzzled by my being a mod. and really never been usefull to any one. I have never really had any aspiration to be a mod nor avertion to it. give me a job and i'll do it of course.

I am the only active mod (that I can tell) on pk discution. but that board really doesnt need it. I think I am just on there for the sake of having some ones name in blue on the description lol(maybe part of it is a pitched the idea for pk discution, and noone else wanted to do it lol) I didnt even ask to be a mod on that board...I was just sort of made one lol.


really I am trying to find something and one moment I am serious and passionate and the next I am placid and willy, or even angry. most of you who know who I am know that for the majority of my time here I have pretty much laid low, and been compliant. I am having a bit of a....phaze here. I dont even know what it is about. but if ya dont like what I say...well I will try to limit I guess. and you dont actualy have to recognise me when I give an opinion that does not align with yours lol.

you can let it go as much as I can <<< okay that one was funny rite? lol....lighten up.

[©allum]

Rofl

[Xemem]

...huh?

[©allum]

Well, you could've explained your point in a paragraph, but instead you wrote a thesis...

[Xemem]

lol...like I said. there is no real need to pay much attention to me and my out of charector behavior. (although I have gotten a little long winded on more then one occassion).

[Bodom]

What does a guy dying on a bridge have to do with you finding it funny someone new to the game lost their armour which is crap yet valuable to someone whos been playing most likely longer? Its a game but people still like to play it fairly.

Oh and 40gp is the right price per essence so that theory backfired

Yeah i read up to a man on a bridge part then gave up cos it just trails off the whole thing totally.

[Final F8]

eh...I didn't read all that.

One thing though, something that bugs me every time I see it. When people say that things in RS are only pixels. Sure they are pixels, but it takes alot of effort to get those pixels, when people get ripped off, it's the effort they put in to earning those pixels and has now been wasted by some scammer that makes them upset.

ot entirely sure how that fits in...just a point I wanted to make.. lol

[Kaezion]

your example of that man about to fall off a bridge is faulty. if we were to seriously consider that every time we were about to do anything at all, we would get nothing done. how do you know that your parents aren't going to crash their car into a school bus and ram it off of a cliff, thereby causing the death of 30+ children? are you going to let your parents fall off a bridge?

and, i've thought about the "it's only a game" argument. it used to be something i said alot, too. however, despite the fact that it IS only a game, the people playing that game are real people. they have spent their own time and their own efforts in acquiring those items. it's a reflection on your own morals, whether inside of the game or out, that you find it humorous that somebody's joy (however pathetic the source of that joy may be) is stolen so easily by someone else.

right and wrong, you say, are very loose things on a large scale. you fail to see, however, that on a smaller scale, right and wrong are very clear. recalling your man-on-the-bridge example, isn't it very clear that the right thing to do at that very second is to save the man, whatever he might do in the future? we can never know what is happening on a large scale, and thus we can never directly affect the large scale. all we can do and are obligated to do, is to ensure that we have done the right thing at the smaller scale. of course, i'm a hypocrite if i say that i've been at all successful in following this philosophy.

[Bmatt]

Although this is stolen from a movie, its still a very true line:

Its not what we are underneath, but its what we do that defines us.

[as for the man on a cliff thing] The future isn't pre-determined [until someone proves otherwise, at least], so although we see the man crashing and killing the bus full of children, it may not happen. And you had still saved a life, and thats what matters.

But, meh. A scam is a scam, funny or NOT.

[Xemem]

It is not proven nor is is it disproven that the future is pre-determined. making a statement like that, is not stating a fact, it is giving an opinion.

your example of that man about to fall off a bridge is faulty. if we were to seriously consider that every time we were about to do anything at all, we would get nothing done.

if you did get all the way through it (I know that it is long winded lol). what you just said was sort of my point. we can only work with what we have and hope(for good or bad).

and ech what it has to do with what we have been talking about is this... my above point and that good and evil, right and wrong...we have a limited view on these things.

and it was not really a scam. that stuff was all but useless to that newb(he could probably be in mith). he was dam happy with how much he got(telling him it was less then he could have would not help any). and the player got a good deal and wat is considerd to be a mark of moderate wealth (it does state that you have a little extra cash to through around lol).

another point I had made was that noob having anything more then that...lets say even 100k could reap havock on things lol. not knowing what something is worth or not caring is a dangerous thing in rs. and hanging out with other newbs....well it would be interesting to think that other newbs would get the imprestion that things are worth alot more then they are becuase some wealthy noob is going around buying their pots of flour for 1k lol.

you really had to be there lol. I guess I expected a larger aptitude from you guys and more to the point a better sence of humor. I won't make that mistake again lol

if it truely were our actions that define us then actors and athletes wouldn't be our icons it would be summits, congress', and city planning meetings we would line up to buy tickets for.

that statement of our actions defining us and not our personalities may be partialy true. but if it is then it is the superficial acts that make someone known and respected. not real hard work and dedication. becuase we value above substance vanity. always worrying about how we come off looking, or sounding. what the accepted practice is. how to better our selves by the standards of others and not so much by our own wants and needs. It has been said that all of civilisation is an effort to impress the oposite sex.

to denie your carnal side is to revoke your own humanity. andinduldging in it makes you inhuman. there is a balance and in the end as in all things the mainting of this balance is all that truely matters.

[Bodom]

We have humour, i just dont find people getting ripped off funny lol.. whatever floats your boat.