[philmygroin]

since dokimos banned me on the uff forum before i could do my offical forwell ill do now, to halo, el dingo, danbilly, frisco sf, darkpker, monkey and yes even dokimos, you guys are great, truly i had a great time in uff and maybe in the near future maybe we can resolve what're differnces we had. halo babe dont stop rockin i always respected your outspokeness and never-say-die attitude. to el dingo and danbilly you guys are truly brothers to me you are always there to hear me out and listen to me and give me advice and vice versa. to frisco sf truly no had died more then you for uff and its members( i remember once you saved my hide on a pk trip by taking the heat off me and directing on to yourself) ill always respect ya. darkpker i know we havent talked that much but sense a unshakable loyalty to uff and it values i know you'll go far in uff or seed im not to sure which what anymore. monkey you were the only one who tryed to help with me when i tryed to do the uff greatest deeds and feats book and i thank you. and lastly dokimos you let me into uff no questions asked and embraced me and i know alot of ppl think i abandoned uff but i still had uff values close to me, and i thank you for what you taught me and i respect ya. dont be afraid to drop a word to me evey now and then to me. bye guys.

[sashstar]

its sad you werent able to post your farewell untill now =(

im glad that you had enough guts to say goodbye gracefully instead of ranting on like a madman like some people in the past. So hopefully many will consider this a happier farewell than it might of once been

if uff values are truley still close to your heart it is possible you need not be part of our uff in order to bring unity and freindship

best of luck buh-bye

[Stealth X1]

we still get to talk in game philly, also thanks for the pic

[frisco sf]

Sup phil hope all is well. if you get the chance tell jim and kilobit i said wats up. Alrite man well cya when cya. [QUOTE] I RATHER DIE A MAN THEN LIVE TO BE A COWARD

[dokimos0rg]

Philmygroin,

Do you apologize now to UFFs for becoming a Clan General of the Undead Anzacs whose sole purpose as a clan was to take revenge on the United Freedom Fighters Clan?

http://www.freewebs.com/undeadanzacs

This was the reason you were banned from UFF Forum.

We moved to SeeD hoping to repair the breaches.

I need to ask...
Are you posting here to build friendships with us again and that you are sorry for your actions?

Or are you using the old charming tactics as other Undead Anzacs have sought to do to disrupt our clan by seeking to only recruit out of it for your own clan?

You left UFF on good terms originally, but turned bad. May I kindly ask, Phil... Can we trust you? Should SeeD? You made a reputation for yourself.

[philmygroin]

charm tactics wtf dokimos, i was i hoping i could say a farewell to my mates and hope one day we could work together. instead you spit in my face saying can i be trusted?! i trust everyone of my uff friends enough to hand over every thing i got and trust them to hand it back, that my level of trust for my friends, i aint recuiting anyone i wanted to say goodbye but now this post is messed with accustions. damn it im gonna go beat up my punching bag. not here to build friendship but to keep intact the ones i once had in uff, and apologise for what cause i stood by my closest friend? im clan general yes but i didn't decide to declare or want one with you, but it is my job to win wars.

you got your wish dokimos you pushed away probabaly the last u.d.a who wanted friendship i wont talk no more with any seed or uff member.

This post has been edited by philmygroin: 20 November 2005 - 03:46 AM

[dokimos0rg]

OK. Phil.

Truly, I wanted to give you the chance to vindicate yourself by asking you this.

You couldn't handle 1 question about your actions could you before you just up and quit fast all over again?

It seems though that you still got attitude and animosity toward us.

You need to deal with that first before you will be able to reestablish friendships.

You are the one bashing, not me.

Your 1st post here started off with a crack on me, if you will notice.

As a true Clan General of Undead Anzacs, a little clan, bent on revenge, you continue to act the same seeking it.

* * *

Your apology is really not from the heart, is it now? You aren't truly sorry, are you now? Naaah, you just want to keep up your critical tones.

Crybaby stuff saying like that "mean old dokimos banned me". What nonsence! You quit UFF politely at first, yes, but then you joined Kilobite0 and insulted all of us UFFs!

Yes, false friendship is what Undead Anzacs was all about.

I did NOT spit in your face, Phil, you spit in all of our faces when you became general of a clan bent on revenge against UFF. You testify against yourself hypocritically. All you've said only shows more of the same from you.

Your words smack of deceit and deception. We UFFs have seen this times before. Do you take us for noobs?

* * *

But if you really are sorry, cut the attitude and criticism, Phil. Don't just say you're sorry, act like it.

You want to bash me directly and only because I stand in the gap on behalf of the UFFs whom you actively sought to betray. So if you want to take shots on me, go right on ahead.

I stand for the freedom of Runescape of whom you have become a general to oppose to the United Freedom Fighters of and "revenge" yourself against them, per Undead Anzacs Clan values.

* * *

You want to "give it all back", Phil? O.K. then, do that and cut all the fooling out.

For all every UFF knows, you are only coming up with some new tactic of infiltration together with Kilobite0. If you aren't, then prove it by good conduct instead of bashing.

Again, I was giving you a chance to demonstrate your good intentions. It is not my fault that you only want to shout out more protests against us and to use our united clan forum of SeeD to do it.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 20 November 2005 - 05:01 AM

[philmygroin]

god knows i could done without having to get into tis with you dokimos, i just wanted to say goodbye and thank all those who supported me, thats all i wanted to do. my words smack of deceit and deception, what deceit? what deception? oh yes the deception of thanking friends and saying bye yes that deceit and deception. and not iam sorry for leaving uff, i'm sorry for leaving friends behind that i dearly value, now read that sentence again ok? im not asking anyone to join me or rebel against uff, i left uff for my own reason some good some bad, eg the betrayals on pk trips and the incessant nagging for drawings, i also left to support a friend and if he wanted to fight uff i would support him in that, i hold no animosity or attitude towards uff only those who betrayed and insulted me and even in that i would not go to war for, and crybaby stuff huh? talk to danbilly or el dingo i talk to them all the time i dont whine or (cry baby) about anything uff did to me or what you say behind my back, when they had problems i did my best to help them, when they needed someone to listen i listened and gave advice to them that was in no way heretical to you or uff values. i have not become a general to oppose you or the freedom for runescape we both desire, i became a general to defend my clan and its members and when the dust has settled i will strive for the same ideals as you for runescape.

now ask your self dokimos "could i have avoided this argument by just saying thank philmygroin ill miss ya too"

[JohnR49]

Is that realy necessary ?

Time to get out of the sandbox Dok ...
It's a big backyard

[dokimos0rg]

Listen Philmygroin, you're the one seeking revenge on UFF, not the reverse.

If you really were saying "goodbye" you would have said it and that would be the end of it. But you won't shut up now will you? And why not? Because you want to incite more revenge!

The more you do this, the more you show yourself as an enemy to every UFF and SeeD.

* * *

You picked your own sides and now do you think you're acting like our friend in some way? You keep sending spies on us and bashing us in your posts on the UA forum.

No you ARE seeking to recruit for your own clan by seeking to find who other UFFs may join you.

I am not flaming against you. I simply hold up the mirror to show you what your own actions demonstrate.

It is not my fault you act like a two-faced two-timer who really is seeking to make false friendships amongst us to recruite for your own team to fight against us.

You want to make friends? You can start by resigning your little war on us.

* * *

You are not one of us and already you have been rebuked for posting where you shouldn't have in the SeeD Forum.

You should know how to have respect enough to stay off, instead of looking for trouble.

I don't think SeeD is going to appreciate what you are doing.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 21 November 2005 - 03:43 PM

[Game Fan7]

Well anyways, he not done nothing REALY bad only now he is on another clan. he quited uff,not betrayed. And i dont take him as a enemy, never, he is a good guy, i think.

[dokimos0rg]

Game Fan7,

Undead Anzacs is not just simply "another clan". I wouldn't have a problem with that.

The sole intent and purpose of Undead Anzacs is to seek revenge on the United Freedom Fighters.

Philmygroin is Clan General of that little clan.

* * *

You think PhilMyGroin hasn't done anything???

Phil has already posted in SeeD to have a war against us asking the rest of SeeD not to intervene.

Undead Anzacs sought for other clans to join with them to war on us, and has gained one small clan ally already.

Now Phil wants our own united clan of SeeD to see UFF as seperate again and not to intervene with the rest of us.

The coward. You see how very quickly he sought to bust up our unity in SeeD. Philmygroin openly has declared an act of war against us.

* * *

Do you think Philmygroin as sincere? Oh yes, I've heard others in UFF thinking and saying that those who betrayed us were really sorry and deserve a "second chance". Look what happened before with Deviation, B U C K O, and PecsOfSteel, same thing, and they only continued on the same garbage.

I am not going to be fooled by the deceits of the wicked. Philmygroin is an enemy. Not because I say so, but only because being an enemy to us is what he does.

* * *

I have had this discussion before about others who have turned away from us and have been right about each and every one of them on every instance.

About Philmygroin, this is no secret that he is a clan general seeking revenge on us and has declared war on us. As pitiful as his little clan is, they still have sent spies into our clan to betray us in our midst. Do you think that Philmygroin is not doing this himself?

When Philmygroin left UFF it was not a betrayal. It was after he left us that he joined Kilobite0 to betray us to our enemies.

* * *

By the way, Phil was just a new member to UFF anyway. He did a little artwork offering to do it for many more of us. He shouldn't have complained when others asked him if he could do some of their characters. All he had to do was say NO. What is he so huffed about?

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 21 November 2005 - 05:51 PM

[dokimos0rg]

THE MOTIVATION OF UNDEAD ANZACS AGAINST UFF HAS BEEN ADDRESSED ALREADY!

Kilobite0's objection from which he left to start his own rebel clan was not without founded reasons.

Kilobite0 was apparently seriously disrespected and unrecognized by our clan in the wilderness while he was a Wilderness Team Leader.

On our last Big PK Trip, Kilobite0 was attacked by other UFFs, to which he was greatly offended. Like, who wouldn't be! I can understand this reaction of his, yes.

I apologize to Kilobite0 for the actions of some UFFs who attacked him in the wilderness.

* * *

However, as I sought to address issues in our clan about it, Kilobite0 sought his own personal revenge against UFF Clan.

So why was I asked to solve problems if only more were going to be made?

Not sufficed with dealing with the issues themselves, Kilobite0, went way beyond them and blew everything out of proportion.

About his current course to unrelentingly wage his personal war against UFF, I do not agree. His methods are of worse form than anything and everything that was ever done to him. It had been getting childish.

* * *

The reason why Kilobite0 was attacked was because of confusion. The large wildy team that didn't know each other got confused who was one of us and who wasn't.

A key reason why I recommended Wilderness Teams of trusted teammates.

As many of the previous difficulties have been addressed in our merger with SeeD Clan.

Wilderness Teams in SeeD clan are referred to as Mercenary Teams. For PKing, these may be joined.

Infrastructure problems have been addressed. There should be no further cause from us for a maintained stance against our clan.

If Undead Anzacs want to wage their petty grievance wars against us in their noobish fury, let it be recognized for what it is.

* * *

I do not know how to further improve the difficulties of the UFF Clan than I have already. I am sorry that Kilobite0 is not sufficed with our efforts, but that is his own personal problem at this point, not ours.

I cannot negotiate with those who act unreasonable. Therefore, kill the noob! He wants to have an axe to grind against us, O.K, then. Let him get the axe on his own head. Him, together with PhilMyGroin, who has even less reason to act disgruntled.

We sought to be friends with them and have shown them our friendship. They know we have been their friends while they have sought to betray us.

They wage war on us because of some new UFFs mistake. Bad form by them! They deserve what's coming to them.

I owe no further apology to them and owe them no restitution.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 21 November 2005 - 07:28 PM

[Usb Machine]

I read the website. I never knew any of the people who quitted (or betrayed) UFF. But when they mention "UFF Noobs" i wonder if they are referring any refrence to people like me? People who have no idea who they even are, but yet still hate me because i side with dokimos and firmly believe in him? I will never leave the values doki was laid out for me while playing RS.

"The only way to defend freedom is death"

[sashstar]

i do not want to say anything disrespectful here but i feel that i must to convey this message...

i know im not the longest member of the uff but that dosent mean i havent seen many a person leave..all talking trash and trying to split up the group....even sometimes boasting about their great new clan.

but this is the first time i have seen someone RESPECTFULLY just come on to say goodbye to his freinds and move on with his life.This in itself is a very noble act. The first line when i was reading did not seem to be an attack on you and i beleive anybody who read it before your post would agree

respect is two sided and an important concept in many great communities and coutries..respect is what can hold many people together on these bonds alone....when shown respect it should be an honour to show respect in return for the original courtisy

through a lack of respect and a lack of trust (see my sig for my veiw on trust) i beleive a simple...simple goodbye message has been twisted into seeming like an anti-uff slogan.

im sorry if my words come out harsh or even angry in this....but this is somthing i can not just watch without comment....i beleive in equallity in all peoples and the freedom to say a respectful message to anybody anywhere.....im sorry i see no recruiting but only a lack of respect and trust..(this also not an attack on you but instead a eflection of what i have seen)

respect and trust should be honoured above all for a community or even just a group of freinds reach their full potential..

if someone must take a swipe at me for this they may do so....but i beleive what i have written to be an acurate representation of what is on this thread.