[dokimos0rg]

Are you starting a new Runescape clan
in hopes to build a clan like United Freedom Fighters Clan was
before its merge with SeeD?

Are you planning doing this without being together with UFF in SeeD?

Think again.


1st
If your clan doesn't grow big, then your clan fades into insignificance.


2nd
If you grow gradually that would work as you will have time to build proper infrastructure.

But what will you do if your clan grows fast? Shut out some? Then you turn into a clan that is a club where only the gay people are invited.

Problems of overlording will undoubtedly develop. You'd be just another clan amongst many others no different from the crowd of them.


3rd
If you do grow big as a clan you face infrastructure problems as UFF did, wherein you will need to find solutions. You will not have time to find leaders fast enough.

If you force the issue, not finding those who truly want to do the work, you again face lordship problems, huge leadership struggles, perhaps even quick collapse due to unqualified leadership.




Question
So what then do you do if you want to start a new clan like UFF was?



Solution
Remain with the United Freedom Fighters in SeeD clan as the solution has been made for you.

If you still want to have your own clan and have the SeeD advantage, then join UFF in SeeD, and encourage all your new clan's members to also join UFF in SeeD.

This will allow you the freedom to build clanning community, have the pk trips you want, resources to grow, establishment in unity and stability in the larger Runescape freedom community.



Planning
Do you have the vision of what your clan will be in time? How do you hope to achieve that? What practical methods are you using to help assure that?

UFF was started with a full plan, providing itself options and pre-conceived strategies for given situations. Do you have such a complete plan?

Consequentially, the possibility of rapid growth of UFF was considered. Merger with an established other freedom clan was the strategic option. Not thought that it would've happened, but accounted for.


Future
The future of the United Freedom Fighters Movement leads to the breaking of autocratic lordship of the other clans in Runescape. Greater player freedoms will be available for all. Abusers will find themselves making greater problems for themselves than they will for others.

Our military might will be esteemed as unmatched. We grew to great numbers before. Now we have a stronger basis for even greater growth. Start PKing the troublemaking overlords again, friends! The battle lies in wait for us!


Finally
Let us stay free, strong and united.

I encourage all UFFs to work together to make our merger with SeeD work.

The success of this merger means your own clanning success.

Look to the future UFFs!

We are SeeD members, yes! We are also United Freedom Fighters.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 01 December 2005 - 09:56 PM

[Phorgot]

i'll start a clan and i'll be the only member, requirements would hav to be that that u must be level 2 on rs to join

[Bodom]

Whats wrong with shutting people out? Id rather have people that meet certain requirements, all around the same level as me and knowing how to PK than a bunch of any leveled who knows whats..

[Phorgot]

its better to join an existing clan than to start a new one

[dokimos0rg]

Hi Phorgot,

If a new clan is only going to serve the vision and purposes of existing clans, truly, its better to join an existing clan than to start a new one.

Had I known of SeeD before the foundation of UFF, I likely would have been inclined to simply join SeeD. All I found, though, were clans with oppressive and tricky restrictions and expectations. Else I found disorganized inactive clans.

After I found SeeD, I considered early on that a merger might be a good idea. Howbeit, previously it was neither the time nor the situation for a merger. Now it is. UFF has united with SeeD.

* * *

Hi Dave,

Having teams going into the wilderness expecting certain levels is not the issue. That is understood. Obviously a level 20 is not going to fit in with level 60 to 80 players in deeper wilderness. But anyway, what would be the harm? What is important is that wilderness teams be of trusted friends.

For a clan to have level restrictions that shut out others from membership is to make a club where only the gay people are invited.

The raising of the bar on rules for a clan, which frequently gets done by most clans with level restrictions, is burdensome. Such clans lead away from freedom with lordship exercised over others.

There exists quite a number of players who are disturbed by the attitudes of many clans in Runescape. As for myself, I decided to take action about it. Those like-minded, which have been many, have joined together in what has been known as the United Freedom Fighters Movement.

Elitism has caused respectable players to be called noobs and shut out just because their characters are of low level. A noob is not a noob because of his level. He is a noob by his foolish and unlearned behavior.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 02 December 2005 - 01:56 PM

[Bodom]

Yes but id still rather be in a clan with people around my own level and aware of what they are doing, but then again im mainly into PKing and War sides of clans though.

[Styledragon1]

actually...ppl are noobs because of the LVLS and because they cant get into a good decent clan..

[dokimos0rg]

Well, suit yourself, Dave. I think it is helpful, though, to have a diversity of skills and levels on a pk trip.

Trips, if you want to have recommended levels, I understand, though. But to create exclusive clubs as clans? I think that is not cool.

There are a number of problems that are caused by having clans of exclusive levels. The pride of them leads to attitudes such as StyleDragon1's.

StyleDragon1, you said...
actually...ppl are noobs because of the LVLS and because they cant get into a good decent clan..

So then you must think SeeD Clan is not a good and decent clan because it does not have some restriction to only a certain level, huh?

So I am a noob therefore because I don't qualify for "The Clan" which requires level 103 in combat? I am sure you are wrong about this and need to rethink what you are saying, friend. I feel many should rethink this old model of clanning in Runescape.

* * *

Personally, I think the clans with such high restrictions are not cool but exclusive gay clubs. United Freedom Fighters sees things quite differently about this all. SeeD is cool and not noobish even if it is not up to the snuff of certain levels some stuffy players happen to look for.

Going through the lower levels of Runescape wisely I do not see as being a noob. Would you call a player who has a low level character a noob if his primary character is level 100? Such a player is certainly not a "newbie", hence not a noob.

If a level 100 still acts unwisely in Runescape I would not hesitate to think that he is the noob by his inexperience.

Therefore, it is the lack of wise game play that makes a player a noob, not the level of his character.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 03 December 2005 - 04:26 AM

[Styledragon1]

me think seed a clan?Heh they dont even have wars...Its not a clan since like wha...15 ppl are active and no i have never thought decent of SeeD and if they are gay clubs...i dare you to say it to our leaders and see what they do to ya...and if SeeD did have restrictions..I STILL WOULDNT care and most ppl that do complain about restrictions...CANNOT GET INTO ONE THEY LIKE BECAUSE THEY DONT MEET IT

This post has been edited by Styledragon1: 03 December 2005 - 04:27 AM

[dokimos0rg]

You disrespect this SeeD Clan having underestimated it. Also, I am not afraid of your leaders.

Consequentially, I am not calling your leaders gay, I am calling the system of creating exclusive clans as gay.

United Freedom Fighters believe in overthrowing tyrants who seek to control other players in Runescape with rules and raising the bar to manipulate others.

Proper clan leadership is "by example" not by lordship.

I have given you another way to look at Runescape now. Do with it what you will. As for me, I am proud to be a SeeD Member and a United Freedom Fighter.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 03 December 2005 - 04:32 AM

[Styledragon1]

LoL I underestimate SeeD?I don't undeestimate something that does not really exist as its purpose use to be..It has changed little man i was here before most of the members as well...I dont underestimate them because the worse they will do is laugh..wow really hurts..and you can be a proud member of SeeD and uff..whatever i dont care..and to overthrow those ppl..you have to dismantle whole clans such as BK..DI...and many others..Good luck with dismantling them without a war oh and i dont need to look at runescape differently..because im one of the few GLADLY accepted in most clans

This post has been edited by Styledragon1: 03 December 2005 - 04:40 AM

[Maxi]

Ohh come off it you two. Seriously, stop. What *is* with all this handbag fighting going on recently. dokimos0rg makes a few posts, then the little icky things come out the woodwork to solely oppose him .

dokimos0rg, don't waste your time with Styledragon1, nothings going to change by you bringing your way of thinking to him. He's.. Unique.

[Raktor]

Style is unique... Hey, that's kinda cool

Anyway, I wouldn't really consider SeeD a clan, more a group. We don't war, even though a few of our members (i.e., Dave and ten mates) could kill all of UFF and UDA

And restrictions are good generally, it means you don't get n00bs joining, like what's happened here.....

[Bodom]

SeeD is like old clans, they're skillers, cspace doesnt like calling it at that, but the few seed who do play dont war or pk or anything as a clan, therefore skiller clan, why would skiller clans have combat reqs to join?

Me and style are used to good clans that get somewhere, not bicker and argue that some noob clan wants to take over and kills us all because they lost a set of full rune, and pretend we have over 500 members yet only 20 shown and each one leaves every day.

If your clans are so good without requirements and stuff, whys this happening to you?

No clans ive seen with requirements to enter have these problems, you're one big internal flamefest its hilarious.

And "gay" clans have requirements because why would a clan of mianly 110+ want to pk with level 50s? And how would a good clan even hit them in the wild during a war? You're just pissed you're to low a level to even join a good clan.

[stinger2u]

SeeD is like old clans, they're skillers, cspace doesnt like calling it at that, but the few seed who do play dont war or pk or anything as a clan, therefore skiller clan, why would skiller clans have combat reqs to join?

Me and style are used to good clans that get somewhere, not bicker and argue that some noob clan wants to take over and kills us all because they lost a set of full rune, and pretend we have over 500 members yet only 20 shown and each one leaves every day.

If your clans are so good without requirements and stuff, whys this happening to you?

No clans ive seen with requirements to enter have these problems, you're one big internal flamefest its hilarious.

And "gay" clans have requirements because why would a clan of mianly 110+ want to pk with level 50s? And how would a good clan even hit them in the wild during a war? You're just pissed you're to low a level to even join a good clan.

Would u Lay off seeD! I have seen over 100+ active members, THE clan is weak cuz it's requirments, and dokimos deserves a break from all this ****.