[rudeboy2k5]

To dokimos,

If you check the alliance forum dokimos thinks we are allied with UDA, but dor isnt, you must have got it wrong, i dont like kilobite0 because it seems hes not giving up this nonsense.
* Philmygroin, you are right, many agree with him, and enough is definetly enough. I've been thnking that UFF/SeeD have cleared things up 100% and theres no more war or anything,
* BUT! UDA's Bounty list has got me angry, thatrs why i offer peace, we are not allies, Check there forum, this post.


http://com5.runboard....fmainchat.t117

One reply is,

From pk angel boi, wasnt that kilobite0 and hes the visionary of uda i think.

"....muhahahaha..." - is he laughing at me, is he thorwing it bac in my face. All i want is jakeinator58 and gamer off there bounty list.

Rudeboy2k5

[dokimos0rg]

Thank you for clarifying this to me, Rudeboy2k5. I read some other posts elsewhere which seemed to have confused me. OK then, DOR is NOT allied with UA.

So, there is nothing that you are doing now in DOR that would not be a contradiction with the UFF merger into SeeD. You can join SeeD, be UFFs and also be your own clan as DOR.

The open-door to multiclanning with friendly clans to SeeD is part of the intent of this merger. Therefore, we can stay united.

The new SeeD infrastructure facilitates for us all very well, I believe. So why yet should anyone esteem this as a bad idea? Doesn't every UFF get, essentially, what they want?

Personally, I thought this was a brilliant plan. I thought it strange that so few of UFFs who misunderstood the merger caught on about how good this really is until so lately now. Now, more than ever we can be doing the things we desire to do, being what we do.

* * *

About a DOR alliance with SeeD, I am for it. I accept the honorary membership DOR has extended to me.

You can declare Demons of Runescape clan as allies and part of the United Freedom Fighters Movement if you declare and maintain freedom from autocratic and bossy leadership and allow any level to join your clan without restrictions to make an exclusive club.

Membership in SeeD is simple and demands are not made. You may use your own forum also.

* * *

Kilobite0 has turned into a power-mad overlord over his precious few, laughing in the face of all of us. Kilobite0 laughs "muahahahaha" often. He laughs at UFF, laughs at your DOR clan as a split from UFF, laughs about his own clanmembers to mock them, for he glories in having started the rebellion to begin with. All he did was to perceive the infrastructure problem in UFF and to exploit it and us with it.

How ever did Kilobite0 deceive his UFF followers where he would not be recognized to have betrayed them? It is like as if my warnings of such self-centered players was never listened to.

Philmygroin seems better aware of true matters. Perhaps UA may change, but it may only result in previously confirmed UFFs seperating from Kilobite0 without a change in UA. Philmygroin is an influential voice in UA, but he does not have control of the UA website.

* * *

Therefore, let us end the split. Let us all remain UFFs, register with SeeD AND have our own clans. Why can't we all stay friends and work together for clanning freedom in Runescape. My stance, values and vision has not changed about this.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 29 November 2005 - 04:58 PM

[stinger2u]

Yeah, dor was originnaly to overthrow uda from the overlords to free them. but then i figured that would make me one overlord and a enemy, scince i wanted peace i just made dor. (omg, to begginigns of dor, this can't be good!)

[dokimos0rg]

Yes, Stinger2U, you have discovered the seeming paradoxes of UFF values and vision. There are answers to them. I had to answer such myself when UFF had infrastructure problems.

Therefore, I had to weigh what truly are the core values and true purpose of UFF to come through this, wherein I could see the merger with SeeD as the best move.

* * *

The temptation for a clanleader to become autocratic can be easily fallen into. It can even be done having good intentions. Pride is a deceitful sin. It is a temptation to other leaders also.

If someone resists the overlords, they seek to rise against him.
If someone become an overlord, the United Freedom Fighters rise up.
Pick your side everyone! You are what you do.

The overlord will attempt to gain a following by claiming to bring freedom, when actually all he brings is chaos and bondage.

* * *

I may not have, what some considered as, a title now of "clanleader" anymore but I do still lead by example, therefore, nothing has changed for me.

Yes, I do continue as founder and the visionary leader for the United Freedom Fighters Movement.

As you can see, I am not grasping for titles or for power or for vain glory but instead I do what needs to be done for clanning freedom in Runescape.

* * *

I have kept UFF values in action, in purity and in strength. I have continued to maintain the UFF Movement through the hardships, with not thought for my own reward. Herein, I provide the by-example leadership UFF is noted for.

Therefore, I say, not boastfully or arrogantly, be imitators of the good example I provide. That is, so long as I provide the good example of leadership.

Do also know as a leader, all problems may come to you, but not all problems are all your own fault.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 29 November 2005 - 06:10 PM

[philmygroin]

i will talk to kilobite immediately about the bounty list. by the way Pkangle boi the one who has been posting the MUHAHAHAHA on U.A is actually kilobites cousin dokimos just telling ya. i also see stinger your orginal plan was to over throw me the only person i might add was seeking peace with uff/seed and if you did some how over throw me what would happen then? what if rebel can to power? huh think about it

[dokimos0rg]

Phil,

Please do take note how we of UFF/SeeD and how DOR are making efforts here.

How easy do you think this is for us to make peace with you when your clan continues to wage war against us?

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 30 November 2005 - 04:59 PM

[stinger2u]

i remember u sayin dokimos, that if it became too popular (it has) then there would be infrastructure probloms, i takeing steps against that.

[dokimos0rg]

The difficulty is... How do you have a welcoming clan and still not grow too fast for your own good?

Leadership needs to be in place by those who truly do it. Functions need to be in place.

Sooner or later you will end up having the same needs that SeeD had and done with its own forum. Eventually, if you are successful, you will need to duplicate what SeeD has already done.

The best solution for UFF, therefore, was to merge with SeeD while leaving room for UFFs to clan elsewhere also in non-enemy clans.

* * *

My recommendation is for Demons of Runescape to continue clanning as it does but to also encourage its members to register for SeeD and be part of the larger freedom community.

This way you are ready if there are any problems due to rebels, hackers or infrastructure difficulties. You will have the support from the community of United Freedom Fighters.

This also will help keep us united while we clan according to freedom.

* * *

This was my idea and intention for UFF in our merge with SeeD. I knew that a megaclan simply under my own clanleadership was not going to work.

The merge with SeeD was to help prevent our growing clan from getting to far from each other as we have been spreading out.

We can have our own clans and yet be one. Therefore, I think best for all concerned that you do encourage your clanmembers to also be members of UFF in SeeD.

If you catch the vision of this, you will see that UFF moving to SeeD really is the best move. But you do need to see the whole picture to understand that. We were no longer the little clan to do things the small clan way anymore.