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"uff values" by request from dokimos... discuss

#46 {lang:macro__useroffline}   dokimos0rg {lang:icon}

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 09:29 PM

So they worked their way up to join the snuffy crowd, which makes them finally worthy of some respect and they can do the same exclusion toward others.

Pathetic. It is a whole frame of mind that should be shattered. Many Runescape players cannot think out of the box enough to even consider that such exclusions are the root of evil in Runescape.

Don't be mislead by the crowd! Break the mold! The liberated frame of mind will free you in more ways than just Runescape gaming.

Be free and be yourselves.

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 09:33 PM

Actually, if you come to actually get to know a few of the members for who they are and not -what- they are, you'll come to get a better understanding of how and why they act that way.

Some of it maybe is to look tough.

Other reasons for their elitists attitude towarde others is sheer sarcasm.

Many members of SeeD are members of other PKing clans.

Echliurn, Final F8, Obiwan22, are all members of them. (Damage Inc and Dark Slayers) are all good people underneath the sarcastic exterior.

You just have to get to know them for who they are.
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#48 {lang:macro__useroffline}   dokimos0rg {lang:icon}

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 09:45 PM

Like the mother who says her destructive little devilish-behaving boy is really a good boy at heart. It doesn't change matters. The exclusion is damaging.

The exclusion also often keeps others from getting the chance to know how wonderful these players are.

Granted, here in SeeD you will find some of the more open-minded. At least some are found here amongst those who will only argue for the fun of it, yes.

UFF is not aimed as a criticism or bash on who and what individual players are or are like. It is a rejection of attitudes and a faulty system of clanning.

This is not a frontal assault on people, but it is often a frontal assault by us UFFs in the wilderness. We cast out overlords.

Some will disdain us, looking down on us for our struggle for Runescape freedom but it only reminds us of our cause and adds to our fuel to fight further.

Let the so-called high-level clans keep their wildy teams as they like, but let them make a place for lower-levels to join in their society.

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Just to site example only...


The Wilderness Guardians, despite their attempt to control the wilderness for themselves by their own rules, have a junior clan called the Descendent Guardians. With tolerance this is esteemed as some effort to welcome lower levels.

It would be best if they were one clan with different qualifications within the one clan, than being two clans with a remaining barrier of exclusion.

Better yet, would be if they would give up trying to rob players of the right to be free in the wilderness, but they are just having their fun too, just like the exclusive clans do.

Well, if exclusiveness is acceptable and fun for them,even at times at our expense, then we UFFs have no reason not to have fun in our fight for Runescape freedom.

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 09:47 PM

Right then.

Do what you will, I feel this debate* could be carried further, but I have to leave. I hope I can pick it up sometime in the near future, it was fun.

Nonetheless, I'm glad you and I are both on the same page now.

*It seemed to evolve into a debate I guess.
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#50 {lang:macro__useroffline}   dokimos0rg {lang:icon}

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 09:51 PM

Thank you, Kaiser Mike. Yes, it has been fun.

(If it were not fun, it wouldn't be much of a game, now would it?)

I hope others who read these posts will catch up to understand what is being discussed here also without our having to restate the already emphatic.

Be free and be yourselves. TheSmile.gif

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#51 {lang:macro__useroffline}   Jake {lang:icon}

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 09:58 PM

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leaving all clans a carbon copy of the UFF.


now that's scary all clans like the G.A.Y.

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Other clans can and do what they want making slaves of players, making demand on them to remain in these exclusive natured clans. And we can do what we want to fight against such.


they arent slaves you dumb{bleep}
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But if UFF is to be esteemed as bogus, so is all other clanning in Runescape and the game itself, bogus.


runescape? yeah... bogus...

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You don't like how other clans are being painted as "gay"? Well they painted themselves that, we only saw it for what it is. Granted, they will have their opinions of us, which some here wish to express. It is expected and was expected from the start.


what if i say you are gay and are painting yourself gay?
no... but then that would be me flaming a member and i would get WARNED

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UFF is not flaming against individual clans by name, nor against individual players. Our use of the term "gay" emphasizes how we esteem the nature of their exclusive clanning. You are all taking this way much too personally. You defend the nature of control-clanning as you would your mothers!


well like i said if my definition of gay was uff... WARNED/SUSPENDED

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Everytime you say that i laugh..

You act as if everyone who joins a req clan is forced into it and forced to stay in it and then hates their life and wishes they could leave but some magical force is keeping them from doing so. They have freedom, they can do what they want in the clan, they just need a level to get in the clan TO BE WITH PEOPLE THEIR OWN LEVEL.

Im 122 and **** off would i be pking with a level 40, theres no reasoning to even do so.


A-F***ING-MEN ech!

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Having a restrictive society is an objectionable matter.


not many clans are like seed... which is a community!
most are large wild teams...
so what about other games? are those clans gay too?(thats not a retorical question i want an answer)

QUOTE(dokimos0rg @ Feb 22 2006, 02:40 PM)
QUOTE(Kaiser Mike @ Feb 22 2006, 03:32 PM)
Yes, or from what I understand.

You appear to be saying requirements for clans are bad.
Therefore all clans that require members to be certain levels to join are bad.

Am I on the same page as you here?
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Exclusive requirements in clanning are bad. It breeds high-minded attitudes in players where they come to look down on others.

It makes the clan bad by establishing a poor foundation for clanning.

Howbeit, requirements for joining wilderness teams are necessary.

It is important for teams to be of trusted friends. To disqualify some players from a wilderness trip can be understood to be for the lower-level player's own sake. Also, it might not be fair for a higher-level player to always be seeking to protect the lower-level players continually.

If you have clans that will welcome every level player but have different teams with various levels of qualifications, this would be well acceptable. It would benefit all level players alike and would function for the good harmony and well-balance of a Runescape clan.

Why cannot higher-level players, for example, train lower-level players without simply doing so by raising the bar on them by penalty of exclusion?
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a simple yes/no would have been great but thank you for your... *counts* 300th speech

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Like the mother who says her destructive little devilish-behaving boy is really a good boy at heart. It doesn't change matters. The exclusion is damaging.


so is it wrong that i would keep out not only little kids but noobs from a halo2 clan?
(no offence but ive lost 2 microphones to them so far and i almost lost a third)
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The Wilderness Guardians, despite their attempt to control the wilderness for themselves by their own rules, have a junior clan called the Descendent Guardians. With tolerance this is esteemed as some effort to welcome lower levels.


are they the ones who told you to go away?

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 10:13 PM

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I reckon he's one of those guys who sends hate mail to maddox...
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HIGH FIVE.

*Removed from public.*

Fine, I won't post such things again. But ffs, someone remove the language.
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Posted 22 February 2006 - 10:17 PM

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and dokimos...
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Edit: at least im not the only person who thinks this guys a flaming hypocrtial idoit

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#54 {lang:macro__useroffline}   Ferret Overlord {lang:icon}

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Posted 22 February 2006 - 10:22 PM

Oh, you have no idea. No idea at all.
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Posted 22 February 2006 - 10:37 PM

I find it very disheartening that as hard as I try to improve relations between UFF and SeeD, seek out knowledge to try and settle this silly dispute up, and try to clear the air so everyone understand everyone else.

Others simply must feed the flame and antagonize.

Great job, guys.
Overwhelmed as one would be, placed in my position.
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Posted 22 February 2006 - 11:15 PM

He thinks of clans as communities, seriously none of these are popular any more, and instead of just making a peaceful community clan he wants to look like an idiot and bring down every requirement clan with his army of level 40s, and atm the only clans you attempt to bring down are freewebbers and even one owned you ;\\ Ultimate PKers even got killed by me sajones and centur1on, all of them lol but you lost to them, great effort you\'re making.. 3 can take 10 on f2p but your clan cant ;\\?

(Me saj and cent went for fun on f2p to the war and wiped out ultimate pkers for free mage gear, all of them maged at a bronze war lol, not the right thing to do but oh well, a clan should\'ve took us out ;\\)

Why are you so against these clans when noones even complaining? Whats the point? Theres enough junior clans people get into, noone even cares about pking and stuff till above the 60s usually and till then they usually sit on rsc or tip.it community boards.

And please answer why you find it necassary for a level 110+ must pk with a level 50 only because its fair and freedom in the wilderness? And there is freedom in the wild, and people choose to join up and make a large team which is also known as \"CLAN\"

and stop with the be free be yourself it just makes people laugh lol.
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Posted 23 February 2006 - 12:03 AM

Kaiser, I'm not trying to stop the dispute, because as far as I'm concerned, there is no dispute. The UFF values are insulting, crudely formed, and most likely created by someone angry. The repetitive use of the word gay as an insult is apparently accepted into society now. I'm not trying to complicate your work, but there was no way I could let that go. Hypocrites are not my favorite people.

Face it, Doki. You can't create an army with noobs. Most clans out there are PKing clans, and they don't need a level 10 as a casualty.


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Posted 23 February 2006 - 02:38 AM

'Twas a good read so far.. Lots of great points TheSmile.gif

I have nothing to say, really.. I agree with both sides in some ways.. o.o;
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Posted 23 February 2006 - 05:17 AM

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gay
adj. gay·er, gay·est

  1. Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.
  2. Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry.
  3. Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room.
  4. Given to social pleasures.
  5. Dissolute; licentious.
  6. Clans with requirements.


n.

  1. A person whose sexual orientation is to persons of the same sex.
  2. A man whose sexual orientation is to men: an alliance of gays and lesbians.


Is it just me, or does something not quite look right?

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Posted 23 February 2006 - 06:03 AM

QUOTE(Callum Jacques Spartacus Liverot @ Feb 23 2006, 04:17 PM)
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gay
adj. gay·er, gay·est

  1. Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.
  2. Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry.
  3. Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room.
  4. Given to social pleasures.
  5. Dissolute; licentious.
  6. Clans with requirements.
  7. UFF


n.

  1. A person whose sexual orientation is to persons of the same sex.
  2. A man whose sexual orientation is to men: an alliance of gays and lesbians.


Is it just me, or does something not quite look right?
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