[dokimos0rg]

Anyone who posts "I'm leaving" does not get put on a pk list by us. They put themselves on such a pk list like placing on themselves a "KICK ME" sign

dosent that make you an overlord

No, Googlebot, that doesn't make me an overlord. If you will please understand the context here, I refer to those who leave UFF making issues. This is what brings attention to themselves and makes themselves a target.

If a player were to respectfully leave UFF, their resignation will be esteemed respectful.

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Ech,

Apparently my recommendation on making what you bring in here as a seperate post, because it has been off topic, it is not good enough for you. If I must answer you here then I will, but with only limited tolerance are we going to accept being pulled off topic everytime you or anyone else feel like crying because someone here posts saying exclusive clanning is gay.

You said...

UFFs message isnt getting out at all ;\\

Well, you are wrong, our message is getting out. Sorry that you don't like that, but it is true where I find definite measurable results of this. Go ahead and underestimate us if you like. I don't care.

Honestly, I never even heard of your clan till I met you. I'm sorry what's their name again? Oh, that's right, I must be a noob for not knowing the name offhand of who you think is the best clan in Runescape.

Apparently your clan has a reputation within its own circles. Those circles, though, aren't the only circles in Runescape. If some player is low level and can't qualify for a level clan they may likely just ignore that clan, having been ignored themselves by them.

Thank you, Ech, that at least you personally are not so snobbish as to ignore us alleged low-brows here in UFF. At least you'll give us the time of day enough to personally disresect us in the UFF forum.

Yes, I do realize UFFs have some attitudes too. They didn't come from nowhere. We responded to how we've been esteemed by the so-called elite.

Nothing personal but its ****ing obvious DI are the best clan, we have the highest combat average (121) and the highest hp level average (98) with 196ish members.

Sounds very high society to me, Ech. You know what we at UFF think of that.

You can have that clan open to all levels but break it up into teams of particular levels, but NO, you guys feel that you just have to be the exclusive cliqué.

That does not of necessity mean that you guys are better than everyone else. In combat skills, granted, that is better. In PKing most likely better. As for overall clanning, though, I find that exclusive attitudes leads to distasteful high-mindedness and even often to poor player conduct.

Are high level clans "better" than others? Anyone objective enough would realize that such opinions are truly subjective to personal opinion. Therefore, think what you like about yourselves but please excuse us if we don't happen to agree with how some high-level player clubs view themselves.

How the hell will UFF be able to stop clans like DI? Youve got 10 level 40s and one or two 90s?

Again, you are mentally trapped into the attitude that Runescape is simply and only a combat game, which it is not merely that.

The battle is in Runescape wilderness but it is not merely there.

Also, consequentially, our numbers are growing and we are getting to grow into the higher levels.

And actually, the old model of clanning was open to all levels, then players joined together and teamed people in old Wild-everywhere Runescape, this then got popular and higher levels banded together, thus clans like Sabres and BDK started up,

Yes, that is the older (ancient) model, yes, before what I refer to as the old (obsolete) model of clanning. The ancient Runescape model of clanning was truly better, therefore, the cause and reform the United Freedom Fighters Movement brings is not without reason nor precedence.

shut the hell up with the hwole you have requirements your gay **** lol its been fine for five years and im still going with the idea you got declined from a clan and are just bitter towards it all.

No, I won't shut up. I'll say it again, "Clans with exclusive requirements are clubs where only the gay players are invited."

Since you are from a Runescape high-society clan, I can understand why you would find this offensive.

Sorry that there are a few of us that don't bow down and worship you and your elite little society, but we do exist, and now we are growing in numbers and getting united.

We aren't expecting change instantly in Runescape but we do make a stand vs. the alternative lifestyle of restrictive clanning.

And it is pretty fun being in a clan, and its hardly excluse, clubs are usually formed of members who share similar interests.. Gaming clubs usually for gamers, woodwork clubs usually for people who enjoy creaitng things, level 90+ Clans for level 90s, its the same thing you\'re just to damn arrogant and retarded to accept it now ;\\.

You can have that fun without being exclusive. Yes those in high-level requirement little-parties do feel "special" unto themselves. So, if something is "retarded" as you say, Ech, I think the pride over being exclusive is.

I know you think such clans often have a cool bunch of guys, but just as the Bible says, "You shall know them by their fruits.".

For someone who likes to say "nothing personal", Ech, I must say that you do make some personal flames. No wonder you got banned once before. Maybe other clans will end up banning you to. You are what you do.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 08 March 2006 - 03:07 PM

[echhh]

Wheres the message getting out? I visit a vast majority of runescape fansite forums and not one word of UFF is there, ingame doesnt really count as Jagex ban one mention of an outside website now and google dont really count ;\\

You\'ve got it into your head that because the clan is high leveled then they will ignore and shun out people of a lower level.. thats where you\'re wrong, if DI was going to shun and leave out lower levels because they dont have the right requirements would DI own one of the largest runescape community fanboards on their own forum ;\\? Atm people cant sign up due to idiots who tried some hacking attempts but registrations will be open again soon.

DI used to have a program where lower levels could join and be a part of DI but it didnt work out as everyone flocked to it because it was part of DI, it got stopped and went back to the way things were, why do people need to include every level person?

Some higher leveled clans are better than others, mainly due to their ability in the wild, like ive said before you base your clans on community, majority clans base theres on skill in the wild where a lower level is not necessary or needed. Clans like DI, DS and Gladz are better than other clans due to member levels/numbers and skill.

So if its not all about combat how do you plan on stopping them if you cant even attack them in the wild?

Noone even asks to be worshipped in their clans, if people want to say oh yeah so and so is good, let them, its like football teams and stuff ;\\ They dont ask to be worshipped or anything, people just grow into being fans of them.

And yeah i should be banned from forums because ten level 40s and a 90 cant handle being left out (Y)

[dokimos0rg]

It is not MERELY about combat, Ech. I've said that. The simple reason you do not understand this, is because you don't want to. You are not listening well so your replies make little sence.

You desire to make us out to be and as if we say things we aren't. Your posted defences of the snooty clanning empires are failing. You draw inaccurate pictures. Eventually that system of clanning will fail also as our message gets out more and minds are awakened.

You seem to have an inordinate passion to argue even over minor points and about particular choices of words I use. How pathetic.

If our words are so very trivial to you, why do you answer them? Obviously, we do have and make a major point about this, which you recognize, but are unwilling to admit. That bothers you.

On everything else, you are just repeating yourself when already you have been well answered.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 08 March 2006 - 04:31 PM

[combat newb]

wo0t ech finaly at last someone that nos wot a clan is about
seeD is the only clan that is out of this no requirment rule because of the many many members that acualy post more than once! uff has been around for a long long time but dont have much members now that kilboite has gone ur best members are below lvl 90 if someone with sence cud thinkfor a second wot clans are about they wouldnt of made uff
clans with requirments arnt "gay clubs" they are experienced players clubs where they disscuss in game pking trips items off topic bout life ext. now how is this gay
so u call di gay now u go tell di that ur self please.. and see how "powerfull" uff is..
okay a low lvl could be experienced and no alot bout the game but he is not good at pking unless pure dont say he could scout..when it comes to combat he is useless get ur act together uff! make atleast a sub clan with requirmets called maybe uffelite wotever keep a lvl 3 and a lvl 126 (if there is one or ever wil lbe in uff..) apart

This post has been edited by combat newb: 08 March 2006 - 05:44 PM

[dokimos0rg]

UFF has had many members. Before we joined into SeeD, 700 members.

I didn't call DI gay. I called clans in general that have restrictions as gay. I am not bashing any particular clan or something. Unlike you, Combat Newb, who is not of any good purpose here but only here to bash us. You think this is cool of you?

We don't deny that UFF has struggles at times. This happens with clans. Nonetheless, UFF is a movement spanning a number of clans and is based in SeeD as its clan.

UFF may have wilderness teams with recommended levels, we don't need sub-clans. Why don't the restrictive clans do the same and open up if they are so cool?

It is evident that those clans are exclusive clubs, hence the word "gay" in the context I used it, applies. Legitimite definition used. It is not in the connotation of homosexuality which I apply the word. But if they don't want to be esteemed that way, by the word "gay", then let them be cool and open up to general membership.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 08 March 2006 - 05:58 PM