[dokimos0rg]

I think it honorable that there have been players of Runescape who have taken upon themselves to defend innocent players in the wilderness and form clans for such purpose. UFF is not in condmenation of this.

The difficulty UFF does have a difficulty with the methods employed for that purpose, though.

1. The defence of innocents in the wilderness has been referred to by the wider term of "Anti-PKing", which actually refers to more than just defending the innocent. It is a political stance opposing all attacks in the wilderness by using the same methods of attacking in the wilderness. Quite an oxymoron of a term which is confusing to many who try to understand why they PK PKers.

2. The methods used to discern who is innocent or not cannot be accurately discerned by as to whether a skull & bones is over a player's head.

3. If the defence of innocent lower level players is the intent then having level restrictions for a clan aimed to defend them is counterproductive because...

a. In lower level wilderness the level difference between a high level and a low level would prevent protection of low level players.

b. Having high level requirements for a clan breeds the pride over levels which has players humiliated and thus targeted for their low levels which further develops the problem of which the defending clan is seeking to eliminate.



Therefore, what I propose to clans who seek to defend innocents in the wilderness is clan reform.

Such clans should welcome all level players to have a diverse team to meet the need of a spectrum defense of various level innocent players.

Teams may be formed of different level categories and of mixed level teams also within the clan.

The term Anti-PKing should be abandoned if it is not the true intent. New terminology should be coined.

Restrictive rules on players and impositions on the free nature of the wilderness should be dropped. A set of values, binding a clan that defends innocents in the wilderness, should be formed.




In other words, what I recommend is a model of clanning for the so-called Anti-PK clans which resembles UFF, but has an emphasis on defending innocents.

I would have much better admiration of a clan like that which would not function to defeat the very cause for which they fight for.

What I have posted here is not to destroy the purpose of defending innocents in the wilderness but rather am posting this to help clans that value honor in Runescape to more effectively do it.

Further, in my esteem, I believe that this proposal to Anti-PK clans will help to work greater unity within SeeD.



Let us enhance the best of the clans who seek good for players in the wilderness and help them do it right!

What I have posted is not that UFF is taking a new stance regarding freedom to PK in the wilderness. It is but a proposal to what other clans can do for the benefit of Runescape. UFFs, of course, are free to defend innocents in the wilderness.

Be free and be yourselves.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 12 June 2006 - 03:31 PM

[Fredie21]

sure doki

[frisco sf]

Sign me up I want to be on the front lines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can also start on a lvl 30-40 account So i can help in that area.

This post has been edited by frisco sf: 12 June 2006 - 03:32 PM

[MR Hankey]

Isnt anti pking pking...?
And thats just stupid you go into the wild at your own risk!

[frisco sf]

Some of us have balls and honor. GROW SOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Star Jedi]

I have taken the site below from the Wilderness Guardians Homepage. (they have an awesome site..hehe)

And I'm not trying to bring *anyone* down here, just going to talk a little bit, since I'm currently in The Sabres, and I have grown very fond of their values as a clan

Doki, maybe this part of their site you should read, it contains a lot of information you might be interested in..

The Anti-PK clans to not disrespect the lower levels in their clan, they respect them, and they respect those not in their clan. You will see respect given to them throughout the thesis that His Lordship writes, such as:

Starting clans often PK in the teleport zones. These clans are very simple clans with no website or forums, low levels, and cheap equipment.

These clan PK trips normally lack any grand organization. However, they remain successful through numbers. Being in the teleport zone they are quite safe. Popular places for such clans to visit are the Bandit Camp, Giants, and Dark Warrior Fortress. As the players become more experienced, and outgrow the low levels, they will soon develop advanced forum communication, and grow further and soon enter deeper levels of wilderness. On rare occasions, clans such as these enter deep wilderness.

They know everyone starts out new, and that beginning processes are times of learning, basically.

They have requirements because they go to wars, also, to fight for their cause against a PKing clan. Of course they wouldn't even have a chance on fighting them, because it seems all PKing clans have high requirements.. so to fight them they must build themselves up, also.

AntiRPKing

This code of honour is only practiced by three major clans. The Sabres, The Synergy and the Wilderness Guardians. It is based upon the notion that it is unfair to attack those who are vastly weaker and have no survival chance against clans. Large clans should not seek to kill people who are in the wilderness for skills, such as miners and trainers, because the power gap is too large. In fact, AntiRPKing clans go so far as to protect such people.

Picture the concept of a war. Two armies fighting. This is the nature of the wilderness. Large forces attacking each other. Yet, it is very wrong to attack those who do not wish to fight; the civilians. That is what happens on Runescape. The civilians are caught in the battle. Although there needs to be risk for the civilians, why employ en entire army to kill them? A single assassin is enough of a threat. What chance is there of them lasting an army size clan?

Of course, there is a large counterargument. If a player goes into the wilderness, they go in knowing the risks and therefore should accept the possibility of dying to a clan. AntiRPKing clans and other clans normally don’t have a conflict. While there is a disagreement in this code of honour, AntiRPKing clans are still widely accepted by RSC, even though in general, RSC has negative sentiments toward it.

This is also taken from that page:

"All aspects of the wilderness are interconnected.

It starts with the resource.

Non PKers enter to harvest the resource.

Solo PKers enter to kill the Non PKers.

Teams arrive to kill the Solo PKers.

Clans form to take on teams.

Larger clans come to find smaller clans."

If Anti-RPKing clans are to help, they must have requirements to take on clans to possibly *be* a help. Also, sometimes there are divisions of these clans, where one part of the clan is made up for lower levels, and another part is made for the higher levels.

But I can't see them as being the bad guy in a situation =\

Ah, for those who do not understand what they do:

How strange of JaGeX, to place rune rocks in the middle of a fighting zone. Is it not just a fighting zone? What would a warrior want with Rune Rocks?

Is it not odd, that Green Dragons can only be found in the wilderness? What about that Mage Arena? How very strange.

Perhaps, the wilderness is not entirely PKing after all. There are plenty of resources to be collected and harvested. To name the most common examples: Rune Rocks, Mage Arena, Green Dragons, White Berries, Agility Course, Coal Mines, Unicorns, Runecrafting Abyss, Wilderness Treasure Trails, Chaos Elemental, Rogue Thieving, Axe Hut Training Site, Fire Giant Training Site, Moss Giant Training Site, Ice Warrior Training Site, Lava Maze Chest, Red Dragons, Hellhounds for Slayer and Black Dragons.

It is fairly safe to say that the following two statements are correct. First, every committed Runescape player will enter the wilderness for resources numerous times in their careers, even as PKers. Second, It is not just inexperienced players who use the wilderness resources. Many high level players will continue to venture in for clue scrolls, rune mining, abyss Runecrafting, and so on and so forth. Obviously, this is less true of the free worlds.

In saying this, the resources of the wilderness do play a large role in the wilderness. The trend of JaGeX has been to open up MORE resources in the wilderness, to expand the non-PKing aspect. The statement “The wilderness is for PKing” is only part true. I good guess would be that 15% of all people in the wilderness through all the servers will be exploiting the resources of the wilderness.

Anti-RPKers protect those who want resources.

[Bodom]

Star you say things nicer than me, can you just tell him to get it into his thick head clans dont have requirements to boast upon others and make lower levels feel like {expletive hax0rd by Cspace}?

[mop miles]

i think clans that ventere out into the wildernerness are looking for more monsters or ppl to kill and will still ventere out if they know that ppl are still going out to the wilderne ss

[frisco sf]

Wen its for a good cause im willing to help.

[Chaz P K]

i agree WG site is ace! not sure about the music though...

[dokimos0rg]

The level requirements of other clans aren't always designed to disrespect lower levels. Disrespect of lower levels and elitism is the consequential resulting attitude of such requirements. It becomes a temptation difficult for many to resist. It also still builds an exclusive society of exclusion which is repulsive to many.

The problems of lordship, that develops due to the imposition of rules on the wilderness and/or others, still remains.

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Restrictive clanning is a breeding ground for disrespecting others and of other evils. That system should be rejected even if players think they will try their best to be good. When players get corrupted, they often don't see themselves as such.

The restrictions to clanning may seem cool to some but to the rest it stinks and we smell its stench of impurity and corruption. Restrictive clans are very good at flattering themselves.

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I've seen how Anti-PKers behave in the wilderness and I often find their posted values as worthless trash when they won't be performed and when those in their clans who break their values go unpunished. Anti-PK clans have the tendency to degenerate into the same medievil brutality that restrictive PK clans have. Let's face it folks, Anti-PK Clans are far from Camelot.

It is time for Runescape to come out of the medieval barbarism and come to a Runescape renaissance to develop into Runescape freedom. Cast out the restrictions which are the tools of developing and present overlords.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 12 June 2006 - 08:13 PM

[Chaz P K]

doki, i dare you to say that to his lordship, i seriously dare you to say it to all the anti rpk clans out ther. see wat happens....