[dokimos0rg]

Right, if your clan doesn't want to reform, that's your choice, Echliurn. Still, you are in denial or have lost sight of how many in Runescape feel as a result of the attitudes of restrictive clans. Many feel disrespected. It is happening, it is real. Ignore it as you like, but it doesn't change what has been happening.

[Asadorn]

Ech, if a majority of runescapes players chose to follow our values, do you not think that runescape would be much more different than it is now?

This post has been edited by Asadorn: 15 June 2006 - 01:10 AM

[Dragonman]

Sorry for putting this bluntly, but isn't the point of RuneScape to try to beat out others? I mean, that's why they have highscore rankings and all..

[Asadorn]

To some people Runescape is beat out others, to other people it's a place to hang out with friends or loved ones. I believe one of our members, Ceil Blue, has posted somewhere on these forums that she plays Runescape so that her and her husband can be together when he is away. To others it's just a place to pass time.

Those who want to beat out others can join exclusive clans and ignore our movement, we are not forcing you to come here and change.

[Bodom]

Ech, if a majority of runescapes players chose to follow our values, do you not think that runescape would be much more different than it is now?

Itd be crap..

I like the challenge and things like that actually make it fun and most level 40s mixed with a 100+ just ends in begging ;\

Just looking at the UFF boards i can see how great mature and fun time it would be though

To some people Runescape is beat out others, to other people it's a place to hang out with friends or loved ones. I believe one of our members, Ceil Blue, has posted somewhere on these forums that she plays Runescape so that her and her husband can be together when he is away. To others it's just a place to pass time.

Those who want to beat out others can join exclusive clans and ignore our movement, we are not forcing you to come here and change.

once again, read Dokis posts, thats all he says the movements doing.. if people dont want to join he'll make them, to put it bluntly.

Right, if your clan doesn't want to reform, that's your choice, Echliurn. Still, you are in denial or have lost sight of how many in Runescape feel as a result of the attitudes of restrictive clans. Many feel disrespected. It is happening, it is real. Ignore it as you like, but it doesn't change what has been happening.

Beinga regular member of RSCommunity and visitor of many clan boards i am yet to find someone whos disrespected.

[Asadorn]

Ech, if a majority of runescapes players chose to follow our values, do you not think that runescape would be much more different than it is now?

Itd be crap..

I like the challenge and things like that actually make it fun and most level 40s mixed with a 100+ just ends in begging ;\

Just looking at the UFF boards i can see how great mature and fun time it would be though

That's your opinion and I didn't ask your opinion. I asked if you thought Runescape would be changed and by your response i'm guessing that you do think that there would be a change.

The UFF does not stand for begging and if someone was a true UFF then they would not do this.

To some people Runescape is beat out others, to other people it's a place to hang out with friends or loved ones. I believe one of our members, Ceil Blue, has posted somewhere on these forums that she plays Runescape so that her and her husband can be together when he is away. To others it's just a place to pass time.

Those who want to beat out others can join exclusive clans and ignore our movement, we are not forcing you to come here and change.

once again, read Dokis posts, thats all he says the movements doing.. if people dont want to join he'll make them, to put it bluntly.

Show me the post where Doki has said that he's going to force anyone to join.

This post has been edited by Asadorn: 15 June 2006 - 01:27 AM

[Dragonman]

I agree that just hanging around and having fun is an option. That's mainly what SeeD focused on, and I myself when I played RuneScape. However, I don't see the need for a whole 'movement' for this. UFF is either a clan that, like you said, is laid back and likes to have fun regardless of levels... or it's a clan that wants to fight other clans to prove their cause. The movement seems to be promoting the latter, so I think you need to settle on something. :\

[Asadorn]

The way we fight other clans is not the way many of you think it is. Our "fighting" mainly consists of promoting our values and sharing them with others. We do PK, but that is for the amusement of our members. Our fight in Runescape against the exclusive clans and overlords can be fought without actually fighting.

[Dragonman]

I understand your way of fighting, I did not say it was through battle like pking. However, shouldn't you respect others' values if you want respect for yours? Some people like pking, others like hanging out, it's their choice, and neither choice is technically a wrong one.

[Star Jedi]

I would be also interested to discuss with a representative of the Anti-PK communities also as this issue concerns them also.

Yeah, that's prolly me, hehe

What Cspace had earlier said is right: In some clans there are Junior Divisions where younger members are gathered together to help the wild in their wild level. I've seen this done in PK and Anti-PK clans, and both the senior and junior divisions are successful. This could be a simple suggestion to any clan that the UFF thinks are disrespecting lower members.

Although in my opinion, in anti-RPK clans no lower member is disrespected.. Take The Sabre forums for example. Once a member has gone through an interview, if one is lower-leveled than the requirements for the Anti-RPK clan they give them a certain amount of time to train their character for requirements. Levels would not matter.. only maturity, which is settled through an interview with the person in-game.

Level does not matter most in this Anti-RPK clan, only maturity, which is a good way to go about level requirements..

Whether I am biased by being in The Sabres (I try my best not to be..) or not, I honestly don't think Anti-RPK clans can be considered Winhill's definition of 'overlord' when they are only out to help those that need it. They sometimes have divisions along with other clans, and make compromises like allowing the member to communicate with the community and be a part of the clan events while still leveling their character for requirements.

Hm..

[Bodom]

Dragonmans got the nail on the head.

You want people to respect your values, respect theirs, dont force people to follow yours which is what Dokis been preaching about. Your like a religion noone cares for ;\.

[Asadorn]

That is what we are all about, giving people the freedom to do what they want. We do respect others values, if you don't want to join us then you do not have to. We are not telling people not what to do, we want people to do what they want.

If you want to be in an exclusive clan then go for it. We are not stopping you and we are not going to ram our values down your throats. We respect your wishes even if it does not go with our beliefs.

However, we would also like our values to be respected. Those who are in these exclusive clans seem to have a problem understanding this. Why? I don't know, but if you are one of those then read this....

We Do Not Want To Force You To Change!

If we did then we would be going against our own values.

This post has been edited by Asadorn: 15 June 2006 - 01:51 AM

[Bodom]

See i like you, and the way you word it, if Doki worded it like you then i wouldnt give a damn.

[Asadorn]

From what i've seen, most of the problems between SeeD members and the UFF have been just misunderstandings in our values. We are not out there to force people to change, we want people to make their own choice and except our values as theirs and stay true to them. If someone does this then they are a true UFF. If someone joins us and does not embrace our values then they would never have been a UFF.

If we went around forcing people to change none of our members would hold true to our values and could not be called a UFF. We want freedom of choice and so we provide the choice to those who do not want to be in an exclusive clan, and if an exclusive clan wishes to join our movement they could make the reform that Doki has mentioned.

[Dragonman]

I think it would help if UFF switched their focus from what kind of clan they are, to their own personal clan goals. SeeD, the community UFF merged into, now understands UFF's values, and that's all they need for now. Try moving on and focusing on some clan goals. Hosting events is a nice start, and I saw something about a newsletter. Those are good ways to progress, instead of repeating what your values are.