[dokimos0rg]

It is not UFFs general plan or policy to post in other clan forums. Therefore, we ask that others stop making issues against us to continually make an issue and to attempt to corner us. We will not be silenced.

As far as UFF goes, we have no restriction against such posting in other forums, but we do encourage good values and respect for forums. Therefore, these others should stop making issues with us as we are not making specific issues on them nor their specific clans by name. We only respond to such against us.

We are building a movement and we are not seeking to harass anyone. The harassment has been toward us. Again, we are not the ones starting the fire, yet, we are the ones getting blamed. It is a bum rap we have gotten.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 15 June 2006 - 07:40 PM

[Neilslayer91]

Like I said before, we are forcing nobody to do anything.

[Cspace]

We are entitled to speak out our values of our own movement and in our own defence.

As long as you're defending, aren't you holding back? It prevents UFF from growing, and it prevents UFF from making progress toward its goals.

The mavericks have stopped, and right now we're just trying to help you achieve your goal. From experience, knowing how clans have reacted to similar movements during the past four years, what the small handful here is saying is nothing compared to what would end up coming UFF's way if other clans start realizing what's happening here. I am just concerned, and I really know that UFF can achieve its goals if it tries... But focusing on the mistakes of others is just going to hold you back, when instead of telling them, you can show players why they would want to join a non-req clan instead.

SeeD is behind this... But I just don't see what the other plan would be. If UFF won't focus on the positives of UFF, won't go to others, and will just exist while defending itself... What exactly can be done?

[Neilslayer91]

Yes cspace is right if we go posting in other clans were bound to make some more enemies.

[Bodom]

Yes cspace is right if we go posting in other clans were bound to make some more enemies.

I aint being like, sick or trying to start something, but if you did go posting on other boards aboutt his you would be flamed to hell and made a joke lol.

Doki, you seem to be the only one whos not up for compromise or a small minor change, you can still hold your values and stuff but why do you find it necessary to stick with badmouthing req. clans?

[Chaz P K]

thats probs cos its his values. doki plz dont reply with a long post. make it like 4 lines long

[dokimos0rg]

The methods that Cspace describes are all the more preferable, of course.

We have a great number of methods at our disposal to moving forward the UFF Movement.

Should we post in other forums, it should only be done respectful to the purposes and rules of that forum.

We in UFF believe in "by example" leadership in that we are what we do.

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Echliurn, why do req. clans bad mouth us and lower levels?

UFF has already adjusted its methods when we came into SeeD. We do not change our values and especially not to the pressure of exclusive clanners and overlords.

UFF does not abandon its values, cause and purpose due to external nor internal pressure. We've been through this before.

No, Echliurn, it is not "everybody" who is bent on compromsing. That is another gross exaggeration to make the few voices feign as many. Even if it were just about everybody, the unity of the majority does not make a cause right.

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Echliurn, you have a firm political stance in Runescape that you are unyielding and uncompromising about.

Why don't you compromise? Why don't you stop hassling and criticisizing? Amazing how you have this habit to turn things around backwards.

For every criticism or strike against UFF, there is a rightful defence that UFF has to make, having ready our counter measures. We are being criticized and persecuted wrongfully.

We are free! We are indomitable! No one rules over us. We are the United Freedom Fighters and members of SeeD Clan.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 16 June 2006 - 12:21 AM

[Bodom]

Erm.. Ive been constantly saying i dont give a damn about your movement and id be fine accepting and going along with it IF YOU DIDNT BADMOUTH AND PUTDOWN Clans with requirements as personally i have never seen a clan that puts down a low level and according to you, we all do it..

Yeah they may feel left out but it doesnt seem to stop clans gaining memmbers or people training to get in that clan so i dont see why you have this huge bout with them that cant just be left alone..

And all of your defensive methods are just avoiding the questions asked and repeating its your values being trashed, you dont actually answer anyones questions ;\

[dokimos0rg]

We are not in the habit of putting down individual clans by name. We just firmly disagree with exclusive clanning. But that is the issue with you, Echliurn. And if it were for not that you did care so very very much you wouldn't argue this tooth and nail as you do.

You are most fanaticly for the polity of exclusive clanning and don't know when to stop. You are entitled to your opinion and free speech but we do notice how many times you have abused that even to the point of being banned in the past. Not such the fine example you have set as you might think. I just say that so you understand our perspective about it, my friend, Echliurn.

[Baseballl]

Get it through your head that nobody wants you to change your values. We want you to stop insulting and putting down exclusive clanning. Everyone has a choice of what clan they want to join, so stop worrying about it. Some people enjoy that type of clanning, let them be.

UFF will not succeed unless they stop putting others down and start promoting what they, UFF, have to offer. Aren't your values imposing a sort of requirement on your own members? Do your values not restrict your members' "freedom"?

[Asadorn]

Our values do not restrict the freedoms of UFFs. Our values determine who is a UFF. You are what you do and if you hold to our values then you are a UFF.

Replying to one of Ech's earlier posts, I never said that we were not out to get overlords. What I said is that we are not trying to force any overlords down, or anybody to join our movement. What we want is for the people who DO CARE about this movement and our values to join us.

Also, most of our "flamming" to req. clans consists of calling the "exclusive" or "gay"(which Doki mentioned in one of his posts that when he says "gay" he is refering to exclusive)... Is that really flamming? We have also kept our "flamming" to our own forums, which is something that many of you have not been able to do.

[ticktockclok]

The TickTock Guide To A Better Cspacezone

STEPS

1)Get rid of all UFF - Moo. No UFF=Rid of Noobs Who Can't Spam Correctly (RNWCSC)
2)Put a level 99 all stats limit on Runescape faction entrance. Level 99 Limit=Rid of Runescape
3)Give everyone who knows how to spell Admin powers. Spelling-Bee Admins=Rid of the Stupid People
4)Delete the haha "Veterans" Forum. No "Veterans" Forum= Rid of RNWCSC Haven
___a)OR: Make Requirements = Ticktock's post, Ticktock's join date, and Ticktock's Warning Level.

More Helpful Info (MHI) Later (L)! (!)

[Fredie21]

ahh not this again leave us alone

[kilobite0]

tick you get more annoying every day

[Neilslayer91]

And weird posts ffs I can't understand that junk at all.