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Heh. Hold your horses guys. Back to the topic though. Why shouldn't we be mercenaries? Why should we care what other RuneScapians think of us?
You can't be forced to be a mercenary. SeeD was a group of mercs and I think we should be too. At the very least, have a Mercenary Sp Group.
Why should we care what others think? If the majority of SeeDs agree with something, them logic says that (usually) it's right. SeeD is represented by ALL types of players, not just a few. I don't think we should be held hostage just because we're worried about what others think, because, if we are agreed, then there will only be a few dissident RuneScapians that will disagree with us. Said dissident factions are usually hackers, scammers, and the like anyway. We are a clan. That makes us more powerful than any lone RuneScapian out there. We are a BIG clan. We could crush just about anybody, if we had good reason to. Twisted Pkerz (maybe) and the Druidz are the only clans we should even worry about. The others will join us or be swept away be our might. We are the future. We are SeeDs. Thus I submit to you. Care not what the other RuneScapians think, for if we are united, who can stand against us?
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Are We Mercenaries Anymore? Discussion
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 02:53 AM
I think you should ask cspace about this. This could be seen as a declation of war.
This post has been edited by yeah man: 30 September 2003 - 02:53 AM
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Money: 1240 UniCreds
Items for Use: 3 boom stones, 3 runes of blasting, 47 Vesuul, 1 bricken, 1 Mythrite Pick, 1 skyrite pick, One Class 1 Energy Field Generator, 1 Ruby
Mining Level: 5 (1600 EXP)
Smithing Level: 1
<B>Character Stats:</B>
Total Posts:3681
Total Stat Points: 83
Strength: 1 = 0 stat point used
Intelligence: 35= 19 stat points used + Staff + Race power bonus
Hit Points: 2220 Hp= 74 stat points used
EP Reduction: 35 X 15 =-525 EP
DP UP : + 2
Banana Boy- Familiar
Alignment: Light
Xanthor Drathos - Sorceror
Class info:
Sorcerer: Like wizards, but bound to darkness. Sorcerers practice spells of destruction and darkness. Like wizards, they are physically weak, though can do massive damage if given the chance to cast a spell.
- Intelligence Effect (per point): Decreases EP consumption of abilities by 15
- Strength Effect (per point): Normal attack DP + 2
Hometown: Shral Valeron
Race: Dark Elves: Diverging into the path of Darkness at an undetermined date during the Second Age, Dark Elves have become one of the few true evil races in Earthia. They consider Undead to be below them, and scowl at all races and classes not allied with Darkness. While they are not known to hide in the shadows like other Dark races, they are probably one of the most capable of directly harnessing the dark powers of the world to do their bidding.
- For Dark classes: Intelligence + 10; At a post count of 4000, Intelligence + 20 instead
Me Spells
Sorcerer:
- Dark Grip (0): EC=5; DP=4: Surrounds the target with a dark mist, doing minor damage.
- Choke (0): EC=7; DP=5: The Sorcerer holds out his/her hand and chokes the target, doing minor damage.
- Stun Target (0): EC=7; DP=0; Effect = Stun: Target cannot take any actions or move: Prevents target from taking any actions for 20 seconds. Will not take away the target's next turn in battle.
- Blast of Darkness (150): EC=50; DP=35: A conjured wave of darkness slams the target.
- Dimensional Ripple (200): EC=70; DP= 40; Effect = Stun: Target cannot take any actions or move: Attack spell that also stuns the target for 20 seconds. Will not take away the target's next turn in battle.
- DarkForce (300): EC=120; DP=75: Darkness crushes the target from all directions.
- Levitate (350): EC=200; Effect = Levitate: Prevents damage from ground based attacks as long as the target (anyone) is in the region.
- Suffocate (450): EC=200; DP=50 Each Turn For Following 3 Turns: The air is removed around the target, suffocating him/her. Does minor damage for three turns (along with additional attacks for the following two).
- Ground Shock (600): EC=250; DP=110: Will not affect levitated targets
- Dimensional Wave (800): EC=400; DP=160: The dimension is warped around the target, causing a large amount of damage.
- Evil Cyclone (1200): EC=500; DP=180: A temporary portal to the dark world opens, consuming the target in a cyclone of shadows, ultimately crushing him/her.
- Death's Warning (1200): EC=100; DP=0: Will cause great fear to the target and cause him/her to leave the location and go back into the general region. Will not affect Wizards.
-> Storm of Darkness (1500): EC=750; DP=260: The powers of the ancient sorcerer are summoned, showering the target in flames and consuming him/her in darkness.
- Summon Familiar (2000): EC=500; Effect = Summon a Familiar to travel/ Can do anything except attack or use abilities: Allows you to summon a familiar and send it to other areas. It cannot attack and will come back to you if attacked.
-> Dimensional Crack (2000): EC=1000; DP=400: A local form of Dimensional Storm targeting one character. The target temporarily experiences the effects of being caught between dimensions in this destructive spell.
- Destroy Light (2500): EC=2000; DP=HP of the summoned target (if the summoner is below your post count): Will defeat any summoned being of light which is under the control of someone of a lesser post count.
- Summoning of Destruction (3000): EC=2300; DP=750: The Sorcerer uses the powers of the ancients to conjure a local cataclysm.
- Dark Gate (3200): EC=800; DP=0: Will send a friendly target back to his/her hometown as an evacuation.
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Money: 1240 UniCreds
Items for Use: 3 boom stones, 3 runes of blasting, 47 Vesuul, 1 bricken, 1 Mythrite Pick, 1 skyrite pick, One Class 1 Energy Field Generator, 1 Ruby
Mining Level: 5 (1600 EXP)
Smithing Level: 1
<B>Character Stats:</B>
Total Posts:3681
Total Stat Points: 83
Strength: 1 = 0 stat point used
Intelligence: 35= 19 stat points used + Staff + Race power bonus
Hit Points: 2220 Hp= 74 stat points used
EP Reduction: 35 X 15 =-525 EP
DP UP : + 2
Banana Boy- Familiar
Alignment: Light
Xanthor Drathos - Sorceror
Class info:
Sorcerer: Like wizards, but bound to darkness. Sorcerers practice spells of destruction and darkness. Like wizards, they are physically weak, though can do massive damage if given the chance to cast a spell.
- Intelligence Effect (per point): Decreases EP consumption of abilities by 15
- Strength Effect (per point): Normal attack DP + 2
Hometown: Shral Valeron
Race: Dark Elves: Diverging into the path of Darkness at an undetermined date during the Second Age, Dark Elves have become one of the few true evil races in Earthia. They consider Undead to be below them, and scowl at all races and classes not allied with Darkness. While they are not known to hide in the shadows like other Dark races, they are probably one of the most capable of directly harnessing the dark powers of the world to do their bidding.
- For Dark classes: Intelligence + 10; At a post count of 4000, Intelligence + 20 instead
Me Spells
Sorcerer:
- Dark Grip (0): EC=5; DP=4: Surrounds the target with a dark mist, doing minor damage.
- Choke (0): EC=7; DP=5: The Sorcerer holds out his/her hand and chokes the target, doing minor damage.
- Stun Target (0): EC=7; DP=0; Effect = Stun: Target cannot take any actions or move: Prevents target from taking any actions for 20 seconds. Will not take away the target's next turn in battle.
- Blast of Darkness (150): EC=50; DP=35: A conjured wave of darkness slams the target.
- Dimensional Ripple (200): EC=70; DP= 40; Effect = Stun: Target cannot take any actions or move: Attack spell that also stuns the target for 20 seconds. Will not take away the target's next turn in battle.
- DarkForce (300): EC=120; DP=75: Darkness crushes the target from all directions.
- Levitate (350): EC=200; Effect = Levitate: Prevents damage from ground based attacks as long as the target (anyone) is in the region.
- Suffocate (450): EC=200; DP=50 Each Turn For Following 3 Turns: The air is removed around the target, suffocating him/her. Does minor damage for three turns (along with additional attacks for the following two).
- Ground Shock (600): EC=250; DP=110: Will not affect levitated targets
- Dimensional Wave (800): EC=400; DP=160: The dimension is warped around the target, causing a large amount of damage.
- Evil Cyclone (1200): EC=500; DP=180: A temporary portal to the dark world opens, consuming the target in a cyclone of shadows, ultimately crushing him/her.
- Death's Warning (1200): EC=100; DP=0: Will cause great fear to the target and cause him/her to leave the location and go back into the general region. Will not affect Wizards.
-> Storm of Darkness (1500): EC=750; DP=260: The powers of the ancient sorcerer are summoned, showering the target in flames and consuming him/her in darkness.
- Summon Familiar (2000): EC=500; Effect = Summon a Familiar to travel/ Can do anything except attack or use abilities: Allows you to summon a familiar and send it to other areas. It cannot attack and will come back to you if attacked.
-> Dimensional Crack (2000): EC=1000; DP=400: A local form of Dimensional Storm targeting one character. The target temporarily experiences the effects of being caught between dimensions in this destructive spell.
- Destroy Light (2500): EC=2000; DP=HP of the summoned target (if the summoner is below your post count): Will defeat any summoned being of light which is under the control of someone of a lesser post count.
- Summoning of Destruction (3000): EC=2300; DP=750: The Sorcerer uses the powers of the ancients to conjure a local cataclysm.
- Dark Gate (3200): EC=800; DP=0: Will send a friendly target back to his/her hometown as an evacuation.
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 03:04 AM
Err.. guys? I CARE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK ABOUT US ON RUNESCAPE!
Okay, so we can have a small merc group. Suddenly we are bombed with Merc requests. I can deal with that, meh. Suddenly, the whole clan has a reptation of fighting in wars. So then people begin to say "Oh they aren't so tough" and begin to challenge us to wars. SeeD is is in so many wars, our clan begins to fall apart.
SeeD stands for peace throughout runescape. To create a large mercenary group and get dragged into a war would destroy that meaning. No longer would we be the peaceful clan that we are.
Cspace, I hope you read this and back me up.
Also, me and a couple SeeD scholars, revised the specialist groups thing with guilds whenever Cspace decides to implement that, if he does, it will change and they will HAVE to be active. Also, CSpace is revising the garden systems with what I have deemed the "Cluster" system, which will bring activity back to them. As well as that, Cspace might be brining a bit more medieval roleplay into the clan by my suggestion
And... possibly expect a new forum soon... you'll have to wait to find out what 
Just an update briefing for y'all.
In response to Grimbold's post:
Pick apart time!
Okay, so we can have a small merc group. Suddenly we are bombed with Merc requests. I can deal with that, meh. Suddenly, the whole clan has a reptation of fighting in wars. So then people begin to say "Oh they aren't so tough" and begin to challenge us to wars. SeeD is is in so many wars, our clan begins to fall apart.
SeeD stands for peace throughout runescape. To create a large mercenary group and get dragged into a war would destroy that meaning. No longer would we be the peaceful clan that we are.
Cspace, I hope you read this and back me up.
Also, me and a couple SeeD scholars, revised the specialist groups thing with guilds whenever Cspace decides to implement that, if he does, it will change and they will HAVE to be active. Also, CSpace is revising the garden systems with what I have deemed the "Cluster" system, which will bring activity back to them. As well as that, Cspace might be brining a bit more medieval roleplay into the clan by my suggestion
And... possibly expect a new forum soon... you'll have to wait to find out what Just an update briefing for y'all.
In response to Grimbold's post:
Pick apart time!
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| Why should we care what other RuneScapians think of us? |
Because SeeD is know for peace, and we would rather grow strong through peace than assimilating clans or destroying them.
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| SeeD was a group of mercs and I think we should be too. At the very least, have a Mercenary Sp Group. |
I don't think we were ever Mercs. And there is a Merc job. And you heard what I said before about a merc group. But sure.. we can try a group.
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| We could crush just about anybody, if we had good reason to. Twisted Pkerz (maybe) and the Druidz are the only clans we should even worry about. The others will join us or be swept away be our might. We are the future. We are SeeDs. Thus I submit to you. Care not what the other RuneScapians think, for if we are united, who can stand against us? |
Don't get cocky. Cockiness only leads to destruction. If we are united, that deosn't mean we can't fall. What if a load of Pking clans allied to stop us once and for all? SeeD's aren't together 100% of their lives. We kill a couple clans when Hired by others, and suddenly SeeD is a common target name for many disgruntled players throughout the game. Personally, I think we have a good reputation, because it's all about connections. I, myself, am a slight percentage MAchiavellian. But I'd not get into that... I've done enough to get to my current position.
This post has been edited by Zolon again: 30 September 2003 - 03:18 AM
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 03:18 AM
yeah maybe a speacial seed mercenaries forum! where we can post prices and details for otherclans when they are looking t osee and where other mercs can see it tgreat idea x zolon the clans number of unwealthy people will slowley decilne as we kick some @$$ and pk alot but we would be a great force in the rs world we would be respected i have links with rs mob and those bigger clans so if we needed help ive got there number. rs wouldnt think less of us they just think less of those lil clans that meet with 3 members in a church and talk bout wat there passwords are and how they can scam someone we could bust down on that and maybe even keep a lid on bad clans adn scamming clans.
anyways ill elave it to cspace most of seed has said its ok but as everyone knows it his decision.
carol
and where other mercs can see it tgreat idea x zolon the clans number of unwealthy people will slowley decilne as we kick some @$$ and pk alot but we would be a great force in the rs world we would be respected i have links with rs mob and those bigger clans so if we needed help ive got there number. rs wouldnt think less of us they just think less of those lil clans that meet with 3 members in a church and talk bout wat there passwords are and how they can scam someone we could bust down on that and maybe even keep a lid on bad clans adn scamming clans.anyways ill elave it to cspace most of seed has said its ok but as everyone knows it his decision.
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 03:26 AM
I'm against the whole concept of aiding in a war. Mercs would end up better off attacking single people, but whatever. I say, if the situation gets ad enough that we start hearing about the war in runescape commonly, then we may take action, but not now.
Personally, I don't like this guy, and the resistance cell can come hide behind our proverbial legs and drag usinto the war, I'm holding everyone supporting this responsible. And... if this guy is so keen on NOT fighting, then why should we be helping someone fight for a non fifghting clan that wants to fight a clan that does a lot of fighting? DOn't ask me, I'm Peaceful SeeD Style.
Personally, I don't like this guy, and the resistance cell can come hide behind our proverbial legs and drag usinto the war, I'm holding everyone supporting this responsible. And... if this guy is so keen on NOT fighting, then why should we be helping someone fight for a non fifghting clan that wants to fight a clan that does a lot of fighting? DOn't ask me, I'm Peaceful SeeD Style.
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 03:27 AM
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| I think you should ask cspace about this. This could be seen as a declation of war. |
Against whom, I ask? I fail to see how this could possibly be construed as a decleration of war...
Time to pick apart X Z's post. How fun.
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| Err.. guys? I CARE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK ABOUT US ON RUNESCAPE! Okay, so we can have a small merc group. Suddenly we are bombed with Merc requests. I can deal with that, meh. Suddenly, the whole clan has a reptation of fighting in wars. So then people begin to say "Oh they aren't so tough" and begin to challenge us to wars. SeeD is is in so many wars, our clan begins to fall apart. SeeD stands for peace throughout runescape. To create a large mercenary group and get dragged into a war would destroy that meaning. No longer would we be the peaceful clan that we are. Cspace, I hope you read this and back me up. Also, me and a couple SeeD scholars, revised the specialist groups thing with guilds whenever Cspace decides to implement that, if he does, it will change and they will HAVE to be active. Also, CSpace is revising the garden systems with what I have deemed the "Cluster" system, which will bring activity back to them. As well as that, Cspace might be brining a bit more medieval roleplay into the clan by my suggestion And... possibly expect a new forum soon... you'll have to wait to find out what Just an update briefing for y'all. |
What if every other clan in RuneScape stood for macroing, hacking, and scamming? We are obligated to uphold our mission statement, which is the opposition of rulebreakers everywhere. Therefore, if we meet a clan that is devoted to said illegal activities, we should declare war on them. If we don't want to/are too chicken/care too much about what others think to declare war on them, then I want out. A group of wussies who are too scared to uphold their ideals isn't for me. I stand up for what I believe in.
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| Err.. guys? I CARE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK ABOUT US ON RUNESCAPE! |
Obviously, total indeference to everything is wrong. Just being a total jerk to everyone is stupid. But if you are willing to let your "good image" remain pristine at the expense of doing the right thing, that's wrong.
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| Suddenly, the whole clan has a reptation of fighting in wars. |
One merc group doesn't include the WHOLE clan, X Z. Just FYI.
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| So then people begin to say "Oh they aren't so tough" and begin to challenge us to wars. SeeD is is in so many wars, our clan begins to fall apart. |
We aren't obligated to accept ANY war that comes our way. Most clans don't every go to war. However, the possiblity exists, and therefore we must be ready to defend what we believe.
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| SeeD stands for peace throughout runescape. |
Peace should NOT mean refusing to fight at all. Peace should simply be a desire to remain outside of conflicts, UNLESS said conflict affects us directly OR it involves money for us mercs...
If, for SeeD, peace means letting RuneScape goto he(( just because we worry about maintaining our little image of "the good guy", I don't want to be a part of SeeD anymore.
Quite.
~Grimbold
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| Personally, I don't like this guy, and the resistance cell can come hide behind our proverbial legs and drag usinto the war, I'm holding everyone supporting this responsible. And... if this guy is so keen on NOT fighting, then why should we be helping someone fight for a non fifghting clan that wants to fight a clan that does a lot of fighting? DOn't ask me, I'm Peaceful SeeD Style. |
Hey I'm not talking about this war. I don't even want to get involved in this one, mostly because there's no evidence that the Crimison Blades have done anything wrong, and one of my best friends is a Crimison Blader.
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 03:36 AM
Putting safety of members at risk is for unruly and greedy men. If every clan stood for Macroing, hacking, etc. Then, we'd simply report them with a great ammount of evidence. We are opposed to rulebreakers. The only way to stopa rulebreaker is to ban them, and you know that. TO me, Grimbold, you are too willing to fight. Peace is not fighting,not making the first move, not engaging in open combat. My image shall remain pristine. And doing the right thing is reporting. Not lunging blindly into combat for money. One clan attacked coul be the one clan we need some point in the future. And the whole clan may get a reputation from housing such a group, and then get dragged into war. And if we refuse, we are then the "wussies" anyway, and it'll be all YOUR fault. Fighting is never a good thing. Without fighting against anyone, we can work on skill to better ourselves, we can work on our studies and become knowledgable.
aww.. Grim? Pick apart my update announcement too please
aww.. Grim? Pick apart my update announcement too please
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 03:46 AM
rofl hehe x zolon when we were havign and argument and i apolgized who continued to fight with me?? hmm you.
we wouldnt randomly attack clans we have no evidence against as for banning it doesnt always work.We would only fight with clans that attack our clan or an allie.
i beleive this is a great idea you dont have to be in it if u dun like it
but most of do and are willign to fight for the good of rs instead of wasting our time looking for evidence while the oppisition is conquering us and givign us a bad name in rs as the weak clan who cant fight for peanuts. we should hold a council meeting in the seed chat to talk about this and each give our appinion of it or maybe seed could vote?
we wouldnt randomly attack clans we have no evidence against as for banning it doesnt always work.We would only fight with clans that attack our clan or an allie.
i beleive this is a great idea you dont have to be in it if u dun like it
but most of do and are willign to fight for the good of rs instead of wasting our time looking for evidence while the oppisition is conquering us and givign us a bad name in rs as the weak clan who cant fight for peanuts. we should hold a council meeting in the seed chat to talk about this and each give our appinion of it or maybe seed could vote?
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 03:54 AM
Quiet Amazon, me and Grimbold are having an argument. "Wasting our time looking for evidence" is probably better than lunging into a fight and realising tha tthe clan we are fighting was turned against us by a bunch of hackers who said we are all rich scammers. Then we work together to get the hackers flattened.
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 03:58 AM
| QUOTE (Zolon again @ Sep 29 2003, 08:36 PM) |
| Putting safety of members at risk is for unruly and greedy men. If every clan stood for Macroing, hacking, etc. Then, we'd simply report them with a great ammount of evidence. We are opposed to rulebreakers. The only way to stopa rulebreaker is to ban them, and you know that. TO me, Grimbold, you are too willing to fight. Peace is not fighting,not making the first move, not engaging in open combat. My image shall remain pristine. And doing the right thing is reporting. Not lunging blindly into combat for money. One clan attacked coul be the one clan we need some point in the future. And the whole clan may get a reputation from housing such a group, and then get dragged into war. And if we refuse, we are then the "wussies" anyway, and it'll be all YOUR fault. Fighting is never a good thing. Without fighting against anyone, we can work on skill to better ourselves, we can work on our studies and become knowledgable. aww.. Grim? Pick apart my update announcement too please |
You got it!
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| Also, me and a couple SeeD scholars, revised the specialist groups thing with guilds whenever Cspace decides to implement that, if he does, it will change and they will HAVE to be active. Also, CSpace is revising the garden systems with what I have deemed the "Cluster" system, which will bring activity back to them. As well as that, Cspace might be brining a bit more medieval roleplay into the clan by my suggestion And... possibly expect a new forum soon... you'll have to wait to find out what Just an update briefing for y'all. |
Hey I'm all for the new guilds, IF they ever happen... Right now; however; Sp Groups and Jobs are a load of hooey. Medieval roleplay, I'm all for it... More levels of organization for the clan, more power to him... Looks good to me!
Now for the good stuff.
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| Putting safety of members at risk is for unruly and greedy men. |
1: You aren't forced to join in a war, merc group or anything...
2: I fail to to see how it's "greedy" everyone gets a share of the loot proportional to their involvment.
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| If every clan stood for Macroing, hacking, etc. Then, we'd simply report them with a great ammount of evidence. We are opposed to rulebreakers. The only way to stopa rulebreaker is to ban them, and you know that. |
Yes, the only way to truely stop them once and for all is to ban them. However, say MHSoRS (Macroers, Hackers, and Scammers of RuneScape. This is an absurd name, just using it as an example) was a clan devoted to rule breaking. While yes, Special Ops and Gunblade could probably infiltrate their clan and get many members banned, lets say they couldn't. Now they are going around as the big, bad guys, and lets even say that they are making fun of SeeD "Oh Seed is a bunch of lamers, they can't REALLY do anything".
1: Pride. Are we really gonna let a bunch of schmucks go around and make fun of us because they're a bunch of rule-breakers and we fail to stop them? I for one wouldn't want to just sit on my hiney and do nothing.
2: View. Besides the fact that SeeD stepping up and hauling @$$ on these bozos would rightfully make the whole clan a bunch of heros, the members of the clan would forever be known as a bunch of pathetic idiots, which is exactly what they deserve to be viewed as.
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| TO me, Grimbold, you are too willing to fight. Peace is not fighting,not making the first move, not engaging in open combat. |
1: Yeah I'm a little on the war-like side. Mainly, though, I don't like some fool running around, basically giving me the middle finger by having free reign to do whatever he wants, even though I've said it's my goal to stop people like him.
2: The best defense is a good offense.
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| My image shall remain pristine. And doing the right thing is reporting. |
Good for you. However, what if some jerk comes along and is trying scam someone? Do you just sit around and think "Oh but what if other scammers are out there? They might think less of me.". Personally, I don't think you do. Sure, reporting them might get them banned, but what comfort is that to the little noob that just lost all the stuff he'd worked hard for?:'(
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| Not lunging blindly into combat for money. One clan attacked coul be the one clan we need some point in the future. |
1: No one said YOU had to be part of a merc group...
2: Surely you aren't insinuating that we would EVER need or accept the assistance of a bunch of rule-breakers...
And those are generally the only types of clans we would accept merc jobs against anyway...| QUOTE |
| And the whole clan may get a reputation from housing such a group, and then get dragged into war. And if we refuse, we are then the "wussies" anyway, and it'll be all YOUR fault. Fighting is never a good thing. Without fighting against anyone, we can work on skill to better ourselves, we can work on our studies and become knowledgable. |
1: Anyone who thinks that the actions of one merc group, unless deliberatly stated, reflect the opinions/views of the entire clan, is a moron. 'Nuff said.
2: Discretion is the better part of valor. So is morality.
3: Fighting can be a good thing... (sees pictures of R2Hs, and other assorted valuable items in his head) It's a legitimate way to make money.
I think that's all...
~Grimbold
P.S. Just to let everyone know, me and X Zolon don't hate each other or anything. Just two differing views debating an issue, nothing more.
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 04:06 AM
yeah everyoens entitled to an oppinian and a veiw on other people they just dont share it sometimes i mean soem people might think im a geek who gives 2 cents not me
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 04:10 AM
| QUOTE (Spikeout @ Sep 29 2003, 09:03 PM) |
| Why should we worry what people think about SeeD? |
I'm not saying for one second that we shouldn't care about what people think about SeeD, period. I'm saying why should we care about what others think about SeeD when it comes to standing up for justice? By all means, if all of our members are running around cussing everyone out and being mean, we should care.
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 04:36 AM
Yeah, I'm still waiting for adebate forum, Cspace.
But whee! Time for fun!
But whee! Time for fun!
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| 1: You aren't forced to join in a war, merc group or anything... 2: I fail to to see how it's "greedy" everyone gets a share of the loot proportional to their involvment. |
1: So some people decide to go fight, others stay behind and get labelled? I refuse to fight, but that doesn't mean I don't like digging up the dirty stuff on a guy to find out that the clan isn't fit for battle, or find one flw that prevents a battle. I'm on hte intelligence side.
2: Greedy is willing to risk safety of anyone, including yourself for money
| QUOTE ( Grimbold @ Sep 29 2003 @ 09:58 PM) |
| Yes, the only way to truely stop them once and for all is to ban them. However, say MHSoRS (Macroers, Hackers, and Scammers of RuneScape. This is an absurd name, just using it as an example) was a clan devoted to rule breaking. While yes, Special Ops and Gunblade could probably infiltrate their clan and get many members banned, lets say they couldn't. Now they are going around as the big, bad guys, and lets even say that they are making fun of SeeD "Oh Seed is a bunch of lamers, they can't REALLY do anything". 1: Pride. Are we really gonna let a bunch of schmucks go around and make fun of us because they're a bunch of rule-breakers and we fail to stop them? I for one wouldn't want to just sit on my hiney and do nothing. 2: View. Besides the fact that SeeD stepping up and hauling @$$ on these bozos would rightfully make the whole clan a bunch of heros, the members of the clan would forever be known as a bunch of pathetic idiots, which is exactly what they deserve to be viewed as. |
Scammers are pitiful fools. They see a few of them go down, they'll run and either secretly scam, or straighten out and plain stop. Cowards! All of them! So again, Intelligence will have ended a conflict before fighting begins.
| QUOTE ( Grimbold @ Sep 29 2003 @ 09:58 PM) |
| 1: Yeah I'm a little on the war-like side. Mainly, though, I don't like some fool running around, basically giving me the middle finger by having free reign to do whatever he wants, even though I've said it's my goal to stop people like him. 2: The best defense is a good offense. |
1: War isn't always fighting. In fact, it's mostly intelligence. But I agree, some foll like that should be defeated. I prefer digging up juicy details and handing out papers of a humiliating picture or a humiliating story of the guy
2: That saying makes no sense. A good defence is a good defence. A good Offence is seen above
| QUOTE ( Grimbold @ Sep 29 2003 @ 09:58 PM) |
Good for you. However, what if some jerk comes along and is trying scam someone? Do you just sit around and think "Oh but what if other scammers are out there? They might think less of me.". Personally, I don't think you do. Sure, reporting them might get them banned, but what comfort is that to the little noob that just lost all the stuff he'd worked hard for?:'( |
I normally inform the to-be scammed as I'm reporting. then both problems are solved. Next time, think before you speak. You underestimate me.
| QUOTE ( Grimbold @ Sep 29 2003 @ 09:58 PM) |
| 1: Anyone who thinks that the actions of one merc group, unless deliberatly stated, reflect the opinions/views of the entire clan, is a moron. 'Nuff said. 2: Discretion is the better part of valor. So is morality. 3: Fighting can be a good thing... (sees pictures of R2Hs, and other assorted valuable items in his head) It's a legitimate way to make money. |
1: You forgot that around 90% of players in runescape are most likely morons. We are lucky and possess a good 8% of the 10% of smart people.
2: Wouldn't it be better to win by using secret ops? If I may use an analogy from your side, a good intel group such as gunblade is like hiding 60 men in some trees when 10 walk by, and jumping on them and stripping them naked and laughing.
3: sure, you can earn riches, but it is like a lottery. However, if a whole clan worked together to produce lobsters,Im sure the outcome woul be high in the billions.
I have made my points clear, Intelligence is far better than brute force.
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 04:52 AM
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| 1: So some people decide to go fight, others stay behind and get labelled? I refuse to fight, but that doesn't mean I don't like digging up the dirty stuff on a guy to find out that the clan isn't fit for battle, or find one flw that prevents a battle. I'm on hte intelligence side. 2: Greedy is willing to risk safety of anyone, including yourself for money |
1: Digging up intelligence is just as honorable as fighting.
2: Well then I guess doing just about anything in RuneScape is greedy... 'Cause just about everything is dangerous in one way or another.
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| Scammers are pitiful fools. They see a few of them go down, they'll run and either secretly scam, or straighten out and plain stop. Cowards! All of them! So again, Intelligence will have ended a conflict before fighting begins. |
As you'll notice, I clearly stated that Gunblade and/or Special Ops could probably take care of it. But let's assume that, by some quirk of nature, they couldn't. Then what?
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| 1: War isn't always fighting. In fact, it's mostly intelligence. But I agree, some foll like that should be defeated. I prefer digging up juicy details and handing out papers of a humiliating picture or a humiliating story of the guy 2: That saying makes no sense. A good defence is a good defence. A good Offence is seen above |
1: Umm... From Webster's Dictionary:
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| An armed conflict between two nations or factions. |
Now if you were to say CONFLICTS were mostly intelligence, I'd agree with you. But plain and simple war is fighting. Period. Next time, think before you speak. You underestimate me.
2: Actually, look at it this way...: Would you rather strike the enemy before he is prepared for war, thus ensuring minimal losses for your side? Or would you rather wait for the enemy to bring itself to full readiness, and fight you, resulting in many losses for both sides. Attacking him first is ensuring your own safety, therefore it is defensive. The best defense is a good offense.
2: Actually, look at it this way...: Would you rather strike the enemy before he is prepared for war, thus ensuring minimal losses for your side? Or would you rather wait for the enemy to bring itself to full readiness, and fight you, resulting in many losses for both sides. Attacking him first is ensuring your own safety, therefore it is defensive. The best defense is a good offense.
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| I normally inform the to-be scammed as I'm reporting. then both problems are solved. Next time, think before you speak. You underestimate me. |
Like I said, I didn't think you were the type to sit around and let the poor guy get scammed.
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| 1: You forgot that around 90% of players in runescape are most likely morons. We are lucky and possess a good 8% of the 10% of smart people. 2: Wouldn't it be better to win by using secret ops? If I may use an analogy from your side, a good intel group such as gunblade is like hiding 60 men in some trees when 10 walk by, and jumping on them and stripping them naked and laughing. 3: sure, you can earn riches, but it is like a lottery. However, if a whole clan worked together to produce lobsters,Im sure the outcome woul be high in the billions. |
1: True. Though I fail to see how that counters my point...
2: Yes, it would be better to win using Special Ops. But what if Special Ops fails? And your analogy makes no sense. I fail to see how that is in anyway related to my analogies.
3: I fail to see how PKing is like the lottery... Perhaps you could expound on that a little? Also, seing as how the fish market SUCKS YOU-KNOW-WHAT right now, fishing wouldn't be the best choice. Also, what about the other skills?
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