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Posted 30 September 2003 - 05:04 AM
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| 1: Digging up intelligence is just as honorable as fighting. |
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| 2: Well then I guess doing just about anything in RuneScape is greedy... 'Cause just about everything is dangerous in one way or another. |
Runescape is a game based on greed and power. Most people make fun of weaker people or poorer people. So yes. Thank's for proving my point. THe economy takes too much in our lives.
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| As you'll notice, I clearly stated that Gunblade and/or Special Ops could probably take care of it. But let's assume that, by some quirk of nature, they couldn't. Then what? |
Ahh! A quirk! Nooo! Klll it! Kill it!
Or just keep trying. Besides. Cake is plentiful, nothing can change that. (refer to latest gunblade puns) But on a more serious note, if gunblade somehow failed, we could simply take it to a more public approach and notify as many people as possible that they are scammers. Thus, they DIE!!!!!!!!!
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| 1: Umm... From Webster's Dictionary: An armed conflict between two nations or factions. Now if you were to say CONFLICTS were mostly intelligence, I'd agree with you. But plain and simple war is fighting. Period. Next time, think before you speak. You underestimate me. 2: Actually, look at it this way...: Would you rather strike the enemy before he is prepared for war, thus ensuring minimal losses for your side? Or would you ratehr wait for the enemy to bring itself to full readiness, and fight you, resulting in many losses for both sides. Attacking him first is ensuring your own safety, therefore it is defensive. The best defense is a good offense. |
1: I was using a generalization, fool. War has become generalized, and now a war in the eyes of the people is mostly intelligence.
2: Pre-emptive strikes can lead to trouble. Perhaps it is like the last conflict where only a few people wish to fight. We attack them it gives them full reason to defend and fight back. Instead, continue to dig up information. That's what has averted our conflicts.
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| 3: I fail to see how PKing is like the lottery... Perhaps you could expound on that a little? Also, seing as how the fish market SUCKS YOU-KNOW-WHAT right now, fishing wouldn't be the best choice. Also, what about the other skills? |
Okay, so Pking: you go out, you get some armor from killing. On your way back you get crushed and killed. You lose everything you had. You take a gamble everytime you step into the wildy. You may come back with cash, you may come back with nothing.
And the fish market is in general. You can still make a decent ammount of cash on it anyway. And there are other ways.
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 05:05 AM
Damnit. I gotta get to bed. Debate ended until Cspace sees, agreed?
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 05:20 AM
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| Runescape is a game based on greed and power. Most people make fun of weaker people or poorer people. So yes. Thank's for proving my point. THe economy takes too much in our lives. |
Anyone who makes fun of poorer people is an idiot and a fool. We must all remember that we are all poor, and we were all newbs at one time or another. Umm... didn't quite understand that last sentence... You ARE tired *moves in for kill*. The economy is what drives us. Without it, we would all be poor, forced to sell or goods to shops who, we all know, give you bs prices for stuff. Unfortunatly, supply is going up, up, up, and demand is going down, down, down. Power. How fun.
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| Or just keep trying. Besides. Cake is plentiful, nothing can change that. (refer to latest gunblade puns) But on a more serious note, if gunblade somehow failed, we could simply take it to a more public approach and notify as many people as possible that they are scammers. Thus, they DIE!!!!!!!!! |
While I'll concede that that MIGHT work, a more effective approach would be to kick their sorry butt. Then everyone laughs at their pitifulness (is that a word?). "Lol. Scammer, AND he got whupped. How sad." Spreading the word is not an effective nor easy means of discrediting them. Everyone will hear about a big battle in the wildy, and remember it for some time afterwards.
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| 1: I was using a generalization, fool. War has become generalized, and now a war in the eyes of the people is mostly intelligence. 2: Pre-emptive strikes can lead to trouble. Perhaps it is like the last conflict where only a few people wish to fight. We attack them it gives them full reason to defend and fight back. Instead, continue to dig up information. That's what has averted our conflicts. |
1: Generalization, shemneralization. War is fighting.
2: But say intel has said that they are totally convinced in their cause and ready to go to war, they just need more time to strengthen their army. Then a pre-emptive strike is well worth it. It saves time, resources, keeps a lot of people out of the conflict, and means a victory for us.
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| Okay, so Pking: you go out, you get some armor from killing. On your way back you get crushed and killed. You lose everything you had. You take a gamble everytime you step into the wildy. You may come back with cash, you may come back with nothing. And the fish market is in general. You can still make a decent ammount of cash on it anyway. And there are other ways |
1: I would NEVER put anything more expensive than Addy on the line in the wild. In fact, I've never worn anything but monk robes while PKing. Protect that R2H, and the most valuable thing you stand to lose is a measly Ruby Ammy.
2: Umm yeah try selling those lobster certs. It takes awhile, trust me. Ask Wibb1e too. (generally)The only people who buy fish in certs are PKers. Most PKers these days have leveled up their fishing, thus the demand for fish certs is at an all-time low.
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| Damnit. I gotta get to bed. Debate ended until Cspace sees, agreed? |
Oops, didn't see that until the end.
Agreed.P.S. We need a Debate/Philosophy Forum Cspace! Grim Smash!
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 05:23 AM
You saw it in the beggining you fool!
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 07:55 PM
I can't myself involved in this debate since I literally don't have the time to read others' posts, lol. So I'll just give you my opinion.
SeeDs have been called mercenaries because we have help others in need. Yet we aren't actually mercenaries. We don't ask for payment, and we are a peaceful clan. When there are conflicts in this clan, we settle them in a non-violent way. When others outside of the clan have disputes and request for our help, SeeDs aren't forced to help. SeeD wouldn't even go into combat unless it was absolutely neccesary. We would try to settle all disputes in a peaceful way. Why? Because we are a peaceful clan. We are a peaceful clan so we are peaceful ourselves. But we are also peacekeepers, meaning we keep the peace!
We are currently being asked to assist a side in a civil war. Noone should really involve themselves in an incedent like that. We are peacekeepers, but involving ourselves in a civil war would only make it worse for them and ourselves. Yet we probably would act if it got out of hand (hacking, emailing threats, etc.). (Sorry that I'm going slightly off-topic, just wanted to add that in.)
If I get more time I'll reply some more.
SeeDs have been called mercenaries because we have help others in need. Yet we aren't actually mercenaries. We don't ask for payment, and we are a peaceful clan. When there are conflicts in this clan, we settle them in a non-violent way. When others outside of the clan have disputes and request for our help, SeeDs aren't forced to help. SeeD wouldn't even go into combat unless it was absolutely neccesary. We would try to settle all disputes in a peaceful way. Why? Because we are a peaceful clan. We are a peaceful clan so we are peaceful ourselves. But we are also peacekeepers, meaning we keep the peace!
We are currently being asked to assist a side in a civil war. Noone should really involve themselves in an incedent like that. We are peacekeepers, but involving ourselves in a civil war would only make it worse for them and ourselves. Yet we probably would act if it got out of hand (hacking, emailing threats, etc.). (Sorry that I'm going slightly off-topic, just wanted to add that in.)
If I get more time I'll reply some more.
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Posted 01 October 2003 - 01:51 AM
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| I can't myself involved in this debate sinc ei literally don't have the time to read others' posts, lol. So I'll just give you my opinion. SeeDs have been called mercenaries because we have help others in need. Yet we aren't actually mercenaries. We don't ask for payment, and we are a peaceful clan. When there are conflicts in this clan, we settle them in a non-violent way. When others outside of the clan have disputes and request for our help, SeeDs aren't forced to help. SeeD wouldn't even go into combat unless it was absolutely neccesary. We would try to settle all disputes in a peaceful way. Why? Because we are a peaceful clan. We are a peaceful clan so we are peaceful ourselves. But we are also peacekeepers, meaning we keep the peace! We are currently being asked to assist a side in a civil war. Noone should really involve themselves in an incedent like that. We are peacekeepers, but involving ourselves in a civil war would only make it worse for them and ourselves. Yet we probably would act if it got out of hand (hacking, emailing threats, etc.). (Sorry that I'm going slightly off-topic, just wanted to add that in.) If I get more time I'll reply some more. |
I'd just like to say this:
I AM NOT SUGGESTING WE GET INVOLVED IN THIS CONFLCIT!. Ahem. Infact, I'm completely against it, for a couple of reasons.
1: There is no evidence that the Crimison Blade has done anything wrong (though, if we were mercs, it wouldn't really matter).
2: One of my best RuneScape buddies is a Crimison Blader.
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| We are currently being asked to assist a side in a civil war. Noone should really involve themselves in an incedent like that. |
No offense, and I'm not suggesting anyone get involved, but... Who are you to tell SeeDs what they can and cannot do, as long as they are not saying that they are doing it as a part of SeeD? Obviously, rule breaking is wrong, and grounds for removal from the clan, but getting involved in a war is totally up to the member. If [name] wants to do free-lance merc work, as long as he isn't associating himself with SeeD, he has every right to. Again, no offense, but you need to re-word your statement. It gives the impression that members can't do anything unless someone says they can. Now I know that's not what you meant, but the point still stands...
That being said, I say this:
The Golden Age of the clans is past. Their power is waning. No longer do they mean as much as they used to. A clan used to mean power and authority. Now it simply means a group of people who talk and hold parties. I see now why we aren't mercs anymore (or perhaps never were). It's pretty much pointless. The clans are a shadow of their former glory. However, I'm doubting SeeD would ever stand up for what it believes. X Zolon said that I'm too willing to fight, and perhaps I am. But I ask you. Are you too afraid to fight, if there was no other way? Think about that.
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Posted 01 October 2003 - 04:04 AM
I, no matter what, Will continue on intelligence. Your oponnent thinks they are spy proof, and then we go all out war, they won't be expecting another spy thing, becuase they beat us once. But then we win by intel. CSPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANT MY ACCOUNT BACK!!!!!!!
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Posted 01 October 2003 - 04:06 AM
I've yet to see an actual WAR won with only intel. Conflicts maybe, but never wars.
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So even if the clan needed you, you would refuse to fight? How sad...
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Posted 01 October 2003 - 04:29 AM
Err... no... If I ultimagtely got commanded to by Cspace when he decides to cut funding on ops missions I would. But I still prefer covert elite over full force. A covert elite force would ambush leaders in the wilderness and kill them, endung war.
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Posted 02 October 2003 - 02:32 AM
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| No offense, and I'm not suggesting anyone get involved, but... Who are you to tell SeeDs what they can and cannot do, as long as they are not saying that they are doing it as a part of SeeD? Obviously, rule breaking is wrong, and grounds for removal from the clan, but getting involved in a war is totally up to the member. If [name] wants to do free-lance merc work, as long as he isn't associating himself with SeeD, he has every right to. Again, no offense, but you need to re-word your statement. It gives the impression that members can't do anything unless someone says they can. Now I know that's not what you meant, but the point still stands... |
As I said at the beginning of my post, that was my opinion.
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| The Golden Age of the clans is past. |
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| The clans are a shadow of their former glory. |
Not too sure why you say "clans."
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| The Golden Age of the clans is past. Their power is waning. No longer do they mean as much as they used to. A clan used to mean power and authority. Now it simply means a group of people who talk and hold parties. I see now why we aren't mercs anymore (or perhaps never were). It's pretty much pointless. The clans are a shadow of their former glory. However, I'm doubting SeeD would ever stand up for what it believes. X Zolon said that I'm too willing to fight, and perhaps I am. But I ask you. Are you too afraid to fight, if there was no other way? Think about that. |
A clan is a large group of people that have the same beliefs of something. SeeDs believe in peace and doing what is right.
(I'd post more but I have to go.)
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Posted 02 October 2003 - 02:40 AM
They just don't mean what they used to, that's all. A clan used to be a powerful figure, a RuneScape shaker. No we're just a bunch of people who talk and party. That's fine, but I liked it better in "ye olde days".
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