[Dragonman]

I think it's pretty selfish to say "Join our clan or yours will disappear", myself. Since the way you say about it, either way it happens they won't be considered a member of their clan any more. What was given out was basically 'SeeD or nothing'.

The problem with UFF is that most of them didn't want it to happen, and a few select individuals here didn't want it to happen, so naturally there was drama. And as far as I can tell, other full clan 'mergers' will end up the same way if tried again.

I agree with MoS's stance fully.

so u partially agree with MoS then? u didn't like his statement "Merge with us, or you don't care about your clan.", but other than that ur fine with this right? And its not like most of these "clans" are real clans. Most of them are just a bunch of rl friends who tried to get a clan going. And most of them are trying to already find a new clan to join. So we would just be providing that clan they are looking for already.

I dont want to kill or remove other strong clans, and UFF is a good example of this. Yes when they only had like 5 active members and the administration wanted them to come here i was all for it, but now topgun and gunner have gotten UFF up and going again with over 35 active members. I want their to be more clans like seeD and UFF. What im proposing is that we take in the clans that still haven't gotten back up and that still want to join another clan.

does that help make more sense?

I believe the point they're making is that the reason why people start clans is usually because they want to run their own clans. If they were looking for a clan, then they probably would have joined a clan in the first place. It's just uncommon that a clan leader would be looking for a clan that he/she and their clan could join, instead of surviving/growing on their own.

[Master Of Stuff_NA]

so u partially agree with MoS then? u didn't like his statement "Merge with us, or you don't care about your clan.", but other than that ur fine with this right? And its not like most of these "clans" are real clans. Most of them are just a bunch of rl friends who tried to get a clan going. And most of them are trying to already find a new clan to join. So we would just be providing that clan they are looking for already.

I dont want to kill or remove other strong clans, and UFF is a good example of this. Yes when they only had like 5 active members and the administration wanted them to come here i was all for it, but now topgun and gunner have gotten UFF up and going again with over 35 active members. I want their to be more clans like seeD and UFF. What im proposing is that we take in the clans that still haven't gotten back up and that still want to join another clan.

does that help make more sense?

Just to make things clear: When I said, "Merge with us, or you don't care about your clan." I was not stating where I stand, I was paraphrasing your statement:

...however most leaders, if they truly care for there clan, will give up their position for the clans good...

In general: if anyone is looking for a clan, whether it be an individual or a clan as a whole, then let them know about SeeD and let them make a choice if they want to join or not. Once they join, they will join as Individuals, not as a clan. If they want to try to be their own clan, then let them. Even if they're 'just a bunch of rl friends.'

[Rohtaren]

i still think that if we are going to merge, smaller parts of SeeD would be a good idea... the clans that merge can still be themselves, but as a part of something bigger.

also, after reading about alliances, that would be a good idea too.

[The BlackOpps]

so u partially agree with MoS then? u didn't like his statement "Merge with us, or you don't care about your clan.", but other than that ur fine with this right? And its not like most of these "clans" are real clans. Most of them are just a bunch of rl friends who tried to get a clan going. And most of them are trying to already find a new clan to join. So we would just be providing that clan they are looking for already.

I dont want to kill or remove other strong clans, and UFF is a good example of this. Yes when they only had like 5 active members and the administration wanted them to come here i was all for it, but now topgun and gunner have gotten UFF up and going again with over 35 active members. I want their to be more clans like seeD and UFF. What im proposing is that we take in the clans that still haven't gotten back up and that still want to join another clan.

does that help make more sense?

Just to make things clear: When I said, "Merge with us, or you don't care about your clan." I was not stating where I stand, I was paraphrasing your statement:

...however most leaders, if they truly care for there clan, will give up their position for the clans good...

In general: if anyone is looking for a clan, whether it be an individual or a clan as a whole, then let them know about SeeD and let them make a choice if they want to join or not. Once they join, they will join as Individuals, not as a clan. If they want to try to be their own clan, then let them. Even if they're 'just a bunch of rl friends.'

im not being defensive or anything i guess i just didn't explain clearly enoguh, my bad. =)
and actually most clans start becaus ppl love web designing, ive made some sites and most of them are rs related i did have one clan abot 2 years ago, however i had them join UFF, cause we only had like 8 ppl in it.
....anyways...