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Posted 12 February 2004 - 12:22 AM
capital punishment isnt evenm a punishment! i mean 1. its quick... 2. its painless. thats it! life in jail is better because they have to pay for what they did!
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Posted 12 February 2004 - 12:43 AM
~ Yes, I do believe it is constitutional. I'm very glad it isn't cruel and unusual like some other countries...
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| I would like to see hangings and the Electric Chair to be used (Dont call me gruesome, a lethal injection, a near painless killing is pointless) |
I don't agree with this at all. The wait for the decision of your life is plenty enough. If you committed the ultimate crime, they get the punishment they deserve. Though, no matter what crime, nobody is tortured, as they were in the earlier ages.
~ Yes, because if a family of a murdered victim would like to see justice done. Though, it should be used only with the worst crimes.
~ I'm not a criminal, so it's hard for me to say. But if you put yourself in their shoes, you should know that if you get caught, you're dead. That should get through their minds the consequences of murder.
~ Sure, since no system is perfect. Capital Punishment should only be used in the worst cases. Some people have done really bad things in their past. Though, in one crime, they say they are innocent. Given their background, it seems they should be guilty. Many killed had been proven innocent later... They shouldn't come to conclusions so quickly. I say enforce stronger measures to avoid having this happen.
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Posted 12 February 2004 - 04:19 AM
This is my honest opinion of Capital Punsihment/the death penalty - there have been many people who have been put to death, and then later proven innocent, and they would be free and alive today if they had been given life imprisonment. By life imprisonment I don't mean the measly 10 years on bail they get here in NZ, but all their life until they die of old age or whatever... I don't know if any of this has been said, because as you should have noticed in my almost year in SeeD, I'm not into reading everything in extremely long threads like this one.
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Posted 15 February 2004 - 10:33 PM
| QUOTE (Killerconvic @ Jan 23 2004, 05:14 PM) |
| 2) I think capital punishment is morally just, but needs to be harsher. |
needs to be harsher??
you dont think its just a little bit in-humane?
of course it doesn't need to be harsher, i mean instead of death penalty just put them in prison for the rest of there live!
i mean what if someone who kills some people gets killed, and they had like a realy good mind that could have been used or they had a realy good idea. at least in prison they could share it all with us.
and sides prisen means they have to sufer! it is what they deserve but no body deserves to die, even if you have killed someone!
what if that person had family, id rather my dad be in prison for the rest of his life then dead!
what if a convic kills some people thenchanges their ways!
and then you injection freaks go around killing them!
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(not meaning to flame or be horrible, but i realy do feel VERY strongly about this)
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by the way star jedi, if your gonna kill osmeone then why do it painlessly?
cos killing them is the worse thing you can do so it doesnt matter HOW you do it, just as long as it is done.
i mean whats wrong with torture?
if someones definatly gonna die soon then some pain isn't gonna do them any harm because they will forget it all soon!
This post has been edited by lprince: 15 February 2004 - 10:44 PM
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Posted 16 February 2004 - 12:19 AM
| QUOTE (lprince @ Feb 15 2004, 05:33 PM) | ||
needs to be harsher?? you dont think its just a little bit in-humane? |
It needs to be harsher. Sticking someone with a needle is too humane of a way to die. If cows for slaughter can have a spike put through their neck, then why can't mass-murderers?
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| and sides prisen means they have to sufer! it is what they deserve but no body deserves to die, even if you have killed someone! |
How bad must life in prison be? In most prisons, "good" inmates (ones who behave well in prison), can have jobs and earn money for their families. These people (used very loosely) can lift weights, play basketball, watch cable television, get a masters degree, or enjoy many luxuries for merely killing someone.
Man, life must be so hard with these amenities. Ooo, ooo, take me next.
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Posted 16 February 2004 - 02:13 AM
For those of you that still aren't convinced that capital punishment deters crime, here's an excerpt from Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes. I strongly recommend that everyone read his book to understand the ideas of the Enlightenment.
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| "The passions that incline men to peace are fear of death, desire of such things as are necessary to commodious living, and a hope by their industry to obtain them." |
"The passions that incline men to peace are fear of death..." Just read that first part, and think about it. Obviously, most people are afraid of death. Thus, they will not commit any actions that they think may cause death. Thus, if the death penalty is made more swift, criminals will fear death more. I'll also pose a question here: if people aren't afraid of death, then what are they afraid of?
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Posted 16 February 2004 - 02:33 AM
| QUOTE (Crescens @ Feb 16 2004, 02:12 AM) |
| I'll also pose a question here: if people aren't afraid of death, then what are they afraid of? |
Public Speaking. No joke, its the number one fear.
As for torture, I don't like it. I may be joking about it at times, but I am completely against it. The golden rule is do on to others as you would like others to do onto you. If you fear death and torture, why should another suffer through that? Besides, people can change. Just because someone did (insert crime here), doesn't mean he still cannot contribute to our society. Have him do community service. It is my belief that EVERY man, no matter what the circumstance, deserves a second chance. With the death penalty in place, tehy don't get that chance.
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Posted 16 February 2004 - 11:12 AM
| QUOTE (Killerconvic @ Feb 16 2004, 12:19 AM) |
| How bad must life in prison be? In most prisons, "good" inmates (ones who behave well in prison), can have jobs and earn money for their families. These people (used very loosely) can lift weights, play basketball, watch cable television, get a masters degree, or enjoy many luxuries for merely killing someone. |
exactly so the inmates could, possibly, go on to something usefull with their life, whether its a big thing or a little thing like keeping other inmates (who got a sentence for like robbing a bank) entertained
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Posted 16 February 2004 - 04:31 PM
That is one of the stupidest things I have ever read. The inmates do not deserve to be entertained. They are in prison for a reason. Why should someone who kills a few people deserve to have a better life than I have?
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Posted 16 February 2004 - 04:59 PM
| QUOTE (Alpha Weapon @ earlier) |
| Public Speaking. No joke, its the number one fear. |
People might say that public speaking is their worst fear, but no one's going to refuse to speak in public when their live is at stake. While people surveyed might say that they fear public speaking more than death, I highly doubt that that's actually the case.
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Posted 16 February 2004 - 05:07 PM
| QUOTE (lprince @ Feb 16 2004, 11:56 AM) |
| but they dont get a better life than you! |
That is what your ignorance may think. Someone who has no regrets, can do whatever they want for a portion of the day, can exercise and get a good education, can get paid for working has a better life than I have. All they did was kill someone, and get these luxuries.
Next time, don't be so blind.
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Posted 16 February 2004 - 05:15 PM
Here's an idea that might be better than capital punishment - rather than killing the criminal, you take all their money and other assets and send them to Alaska to do hard labor in the cold. If prison conditions were harsher, we might not need capital punishment. Also, if the person was ever retried and found innocent, which rarely happens, the money and assets could be restored, and the person could be brought back from Alaska. The US needs its own Australia...
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Posted 16 February 2004 - 07:55 PM
| QUOTE (Killerconvic @ Feb 16 2004, 05:07 PM) |
| That is what your ignorance may think. Someone who has no regrets, can do whatever they want for a portion of the day, can exercise and get a good education, can get paid for working has a better life than I have. All they did was kill someone, and get these luxuries. Next time, don't be so blind. |
your saying that you cant get a job good education and exercise??
you can get all of them! and its easy for you!
for an inmate its realy hard to get all those things because if you do 1 thing wrong then your denied them!
so its you who is ingnorent not me
Next time, don't be so blind.
lol
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