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Posted 28 January 2004 - 12:35 AM
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| Sunday, January 25, 2004 - Page updated at 12:01 A.M. Underachievers' parents deny honor students By Matt Gouras The Associated Press NASHVILLE, Tenn. — The school honor roll, a time-honored system for rewarding "A" students, has become an apparent source of embarrassment for some underachievers. As a result, all Nashville schools have stopped posting honor rolls, and some are considering a ban on hanging good work in the hallways — at the advice of school lawyers. After a few parents complained their children might be ridiculed for not making the list, school-system lawyers warned that state privacy laws forbid releasing academic information, good or bad, without permission. Some schools since have put a stop to academic pep rallies. Others think they may have to cancel spelling bees. And schools across the state may follow Nashville's lead. The change has upset many parents who want their children recognized for hard work. "This is as backward as it gets," said Miriam Mimms, who has a son at Meigs Magnet School and helps run the Parent Teacher Association. "There has to be a way to come back from the rigidity." Most states follow federal student privacy guidelines, which allow the release of such things as honor rolls, Department of Education officials said. "It's the first time I've heard of schools doing that," said Jim Bradshaw, department spokesman. But Nashville school lawyers based their decision last month on a state privacy law dating to the 1970s — a law not always followed because no one challenged the honor-roll status quo. School officials are developing permission slips to give parents of the district's 69,000 students the option of having their children's work recognized. They hope to receive clearance before the next grading cycle. Until then, principals will try to figure out what is acceptable. Sandy Johnson, chief instructional officer for the Nashville schools, says the restrictions go "far beyond the honor role." "It's for anything having to do with grades and attendance or anything normally reserved just for the student or parent," she said. Copyright © 2004 The Seattle Times Company |
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A friend of mine sent me this article and it struck me as funny. Sad, but funny. I don't know if times have changed, but I remember being targeted when I was in middle school and the fact that I've made the honor roll only added fuel to the fire. Does this mean that now in this day and age those who do Not make the honor roll are being teased by those who do? I find that secnario hard to believe, but quite possible.
At first I thought those 'underacheving' students were being rediculed by their parents and teachers. I have seen that situation before, but the article left things in the air.
If they do get rid of the honor roll, papers in the hallway, and academic pep rallies I would expect to see the complete expulsion of any middle/high school sports because some parents say their kids are distraught at not making the team or they're afraid of the concept of their kids being 'losers' or whatever they call the losing team now.
Very short sighted in my opinion, but I'm curious to hear the opinions of others.
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 12:54 AM
Null here. There are a few ways to go.
A) For the smart ones (MEEEEE
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It would be more a source of dissapointment, because you used to feel good about making the honor roll. It "used" to be something to strive for, and now that it's gone, it just seems... empty.
B) For the embarressed ones:
Get rid of it, now! They'll never make it, and that just puts them down. You see lots of people on it that you know, but you just never make it because you're too dumb. It stinks.
A) For the smart ones (MEEEEE
):It would be more a source of dissapointment, because you used to feel good about making the honor roll. It "used" to be something to strive for, and now that it's gone, it just seems... empty.
B) For the embarressed ones:
Get rid of it, now! They'll never make it, and that just puts them down. You see lots of people on it that you know, but you just never make it because you're too dumb. It stinks.
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 01:23 AM
I say keep it. If the "embarrased ones" can't make it, and feel bad about it, then they know what to do. Get better grades. If all of their friends are making fun of them for not making it, then it should provide them motivation to be on it. I think it anything, it is a great thing, and should stay.
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 01:33 AM
I go Null Aswell.
For those who make all As/Bs have a sense of achievment when placed in a Newspaper, Or Posted on the wall outside. If gives everyone something to achieve. Most think making all As is impossible. When I did make the A List, it took a lot of work, as I tell other friends who want the same thing. They think it's impossible.. Why not give them a better chance of getting a reward?
Though, I have seen others picking on 'underachievers' calling them 'Stupid', or any other offensive name they can think of. It's quite sickening to see this, but it is true..
For those who make all As/Bs have a sense of achievment when placed in a Newspaper, Or Posted on the wall outside. If gives everyone something to achieve. Most think making all As is impossible. When I did make the A List, it took a lot of work, as I tell other friends who want the same thing. They think it's impossible.. Why not give them a better chance of getting a reward?
Though, I have seen others picking on 'underachievers' calling them 'Stupid', or any other offensive name they can think of. It's quite sickening to see this, but it is true..
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 01:49 AM
I voted that yes, there definitely should be an honor roll. An honor roll gives people motivation to succeed in school, and later life. It requires little more than a pulse to get good enough grades to get on the honor roll. People that don't get on the honor roll probably don't do so because they're too darn lazy to do their work. People making fun of them is a good thing, because it holds them accountable for their unwillingness to succeed. If people don't want to be made fun of for not succeeding, they should (gasp) do their work. They have no right to whine about this sort of thing.
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 03:33 PM
There should...Equality is not a fact of life, its a lie, if anything. Society is becoming so politically correct, its sickening.
Actually, equality is a good thing. It's equity that sucks.
Actually, equality is a good thing. It's equity that sucks.
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Posted 29 January 2004 - 11:24 AM
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We don't really have an "Honor Roll" as such here in Australia, so I'll answer this as far as the better students getting attention for their grades.
It's true it's harder for some than others to get high grades, but everyone knows what they're capable of and what classifies as a good grade for themselves. Quite often the ones that aren't doing well don't really care about it, they don't put in the effort (as Cres and KC said). The chances are that if most people try their best they could make it on there, regardless of intelligence. If students don't get acknowledgement or recognition for their good grades, what comes next? No grading in school because that judges the students?
We don't really have an "Honor Roll" as such here in Australia, so I'll answer this as far as the better students getting attention for their grades.
It's true it's harder for some than others to get high grades, but everyone knows what they're capable of and what classifies as a good grade for themselves. Quite often the ones that aren't doing well don't really care about it, they don't put in the effort (as Cres and KC said). The chances are that if most people try their best they could make it on there, regardless of intelligence. If students don't get acknowledgement or recognition for their good grades, what comes next? No grading in school because that judges the students?
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Posted 16 February 2004 - 09:36 PM
| QUOTE (Killerconvic @ Jan 28 2004, 01:22 AM) |
| I say keep it. If the "embarrased ones" can't make it, and feel bad about it, then they know what to do. Get better grades. If all of their friends are making fun of them for not making it, then it should provide them motivation to be on it. I think it anything, it is a great thing, and should stay. |
but some people cant get better grades, even if they try
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Posted 16 February 2004 - 10:20 PM
| QUOTE (lprince @ Feb 16 2004, 04:35 PM) |
| but some people cant get better grades, even if they try |
So what? Am I supposed to have compassion for them? It is their fault.
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Posted 16 February 2004 - 10:23 PM
how is it there fault?
some people are born naturaly with less-advance brains than others
some people are born naturaly with less-advance brains than others
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Posted 16 February 2004 - 10:26 PM
| QUOTE (lprince @ Feb 16 2004, 05:23 PM) |
| how is it there fault? some people are born naturaly with less-advance brains than others |
That is what special education is for.
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Posted 19 February 2004 - 02:52 AM
heh.. something like this reminds me of a funny story... but that'd be going off topic...
I think.. there SHOULD be an honor roll.. people that get A's and B's.. who is to be proud of them if they cant show people?
for people that dont.. they should try harder.. for those that CANT... i quote
special ed... ok.. my opinion..
I think.. there SHOULD be an honor roll.. people that get A's and B's.. who is to be proud of them if they cant show people?
for people that dont.. they should try harder.. for those that CANT... i quote
special ed... ok.. my opinion..
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Posted 19 February 2004 - 02:59 AM
no there schould be no horon roll it just a way to show of and make others feel bad for them selfs and that make them feel worst which then in tern make them less able to get on the honor roll..off topic kinda but i my school they have k-sat i hate k-sat darn nerd they schouldnt have an honor roll they schould just "ship" them off to k-sat(oh im an honor roll lol but no were close to the nerdy geeks in k-sat)
so was that a pretty decent way to talk my mind out cuase im not the best when it comes to debating and this is my first atcull post so i was just woundering if this is good please tell me lol
so was that a pretty decent way to talk my mind out cuase im not the best when it comes to debating and this is my first atcull post so i was just woundering if this is good please tell me lol
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Posted 19 February 2004 - 03:05 AM
It was hard to read, since you must not understand what punctuation is.
Honor roll makes sense. If the kids feel bad for not being on it, then they should strive to not feel bad. This is done by doing the work and getting the grades.
If a football player can do it, why can't everyone else?
Honor roll makes sense. If the kids feel bad for not being on it, then they should strive to not feel bad. This is done by doing the work and getting the grades.
If a football player can do it, why can't everyone else?
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