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2004 Presidential Elections!

#16 {lang:macro__useroffline}   Killerconvic {lang:icon}

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Posted 23 March 2004 - 11:50 PM

Cres and Muler summed it up pretty well.

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#17 {lang:macro__useroffline}   Alpha-Weltall-2 {lang:icon}

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Posted 24 March 2004 - 02:16 AM

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So who would you choose A-W-2? You have only expressed why one person shouldn't be in, but nothing to say who should be in.



I would vote Bush because I believe he responded well according to the situations. With 9/11 occuring just around his entry to his presidency, he went to war against Afghanistan, a known hideout for the Al Qaeda. Though Bush used the excuse of weapons of mass destruction as a front, I think he wanted to attack Saddam because of his crimes against humanity and his known hatred for the US. He's shown that we aren't going to be pushed around like we have allowed. A good example of this was the debate over the child who was returned to Cuba. The US gave him back to the Cubans and they feel victorious over the US. You give evil an inch, they'll walk a mile, and I think Bush has made a clear point that you won't even get that inch. BAM!!!

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#18 {lang:macro__useroffline}   Killerconvic {lang:icon}

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Posted 24 March 2004 - 03:12 AM

QUOTE (Alpha-Weltall-2 @ Mar 23 2004, 09:16 PM)
With 9/11 occuring just around his entry to his presidency


Almost a full year (25% of his term) counts as the entry in your eyes? eek7.gif

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Though Bush used the excuse of weapons of mass destruction as a front, I think he wanted to attack Saddam because of his crimes against humanity and his known hatred for the US.


Bush used the excuse of defending the Middle East. There was no way Saddam would be able to target the United States. We were protecting Israel.

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He's shown that we aren't going to be pushed around like we have allowed.


How has he?

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A good example of this was the debate over the child who was returned to Cuba. The US gave him back to the Cubans and they feel victorious over the US. You give evil an inch, they'll walk a mile, and I think Bush has made a clear point that you won't even get that inch. BAM!!!


What is so evil about Cuba? The U.S. has done a great job of instilling in your mind that any government other than democracy is bad, especially those damned Commies.
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Posted 24 March 2004 - 05:59 AM

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I would personally choose Kerry. I haven't seen him in action before, and it would be a welcome change from Bush, who has an IQ of 70.....

The major issues would be the Iraq war, and how they handle it. There would also be the fact if they support Spain and other countries in their time of need, or plan on ditching them
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Posted 24 March 2004 - 09:02 AM

The UN wasn't even founded when Hitler rose to power, so how could they have let him rise to power?
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Posted 24 March 2004 - 07:40 PM

The UN replaced the League of Nations, which let Hitler rise to power and build up, eventually conquering most of Europe. Saddam's attempts to build up were stopped by the United States, otherwise they would very well have continued.
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Posted 24 March 2004 - 09:07 PM

QUOTE (Bigbro69 @ Mar 24 2004, 12:59 AM)
I would personally choose Kerry. I haven't seen him in action before, and it would be a welcome change from Bush, who has an IQ of 70.....

*Sigh*

I hate to see people say "Oh well Bush is a moron."

No, he's not. Sure he's from Texas (hehe) but he graduated from Yale (one of the best colleges in the nation)

He's smart enough to get elected and run a nation...So if you think he's a poor leader or has made stupid decisions, show me evidence then I"ll listen.
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#23 {lang:macro__useroffline}   Killerconvic {lang:icon}

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Posted 24 March 2004 - 11:39 PM

QUOTE (Crescens @ Mar 24 2004, 02:39 PM)
The UN replaced the League of Nations, which let Hitler rise to power and build up, eventually conquering most of Europe. Saddam's attempts to build up were stopped by the United States, otherwise they would very well have continued.

Well, Hitler wrote a book (Mein Kampf, for those of you interested) during his prison term. In this book was his "solution to the Jewish problem". And he still became the leader of Germany.

Also, the League of Nations could not have possibly done much. The US refused to join, and the ideas put forth were foolish. These countries had no real plan that would be effective, so theycould prevent nothing.
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Posted 24 March 2004 - 11:47 PM

If the League of Nations had been willing to act sooner, Hitler could have been stopped sooner. Instead, countries like England and France wanted only to look out for their own skin, and let Hitler build up, move into the Rhineland, and invade Czechoslavakia (I still can't spell it). If they'd been willing to make a stand against Hitler, which even when attacked themselves, the French failed to do, he could have been stopped or weakened much sooner. Instead, the Russians had to suffer through a lot until the US and UK got their rears in gear and came in for D-Day.
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Posted 24 March 2004 - 11:50 PM

Soviets, not Russians grnwink.gif

Poland was the first country to be invaded, and we were completely run over in a matter of days. Given better organization, this might not have happened.
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Posted 25 March 2004 - 05:27 AM

QUOTE (Crescens @ Mar 24 2004, 11:47 PM)
Instead, the Russians had to suffer through a lot until the US and UK got their rears in gear and came in for D-Day.

US and UK, I dont think so!

The US had a lie in for 3 (or 2) years and were about to make peace with Japan until they got attacked, by the Japanese. And then they claim to be the key to winning the war, which is not true, they had a part in winning the war, every country had a part in winning the war, even France.
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Posted 25 March 2004 - 03:40 PM

Czecol...whatever, I can't spell it, and a few other areas were actually invaded before Poland. The Rhineland had been demilitarized, but Hitler moved his troops into there anyway. Several things happened before Poland was invaded, and the European powers (and the US) decided to appease Hitler until Poland was invaded, then they actually decided to fight. The US joined in later, and was pretty much the only country other than the UK in there on D-Day, striking the decisive blow against Hitler. However, people greatly underestimate the Soviet accomplishments for the cause. If Hitler hadn't been fighting on multiple fronts, he could have easily conquered Britain and other standing powers in Western Europe. However, the Soviets were able to endure Hitler's invasion and weaken his forces.

As for France's accomplishments in World War II, let me remind everyone that they had an even stronger standing army at the beginning of World War II, but much less of a navy. However, the French pretty much sat there when Hitler waltzed in, and were easily conquered due to "lowered morale." They could have made a much stronger stand, but really didn't.
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Posted 25 March 2004 - 07:53 PM

I know that France did just sit there as Hitler walked to the Eiffel Tower, but after a few years they started a resistance and sabotaged many German Airfields and Supply Depots.

And the Soviet achievments in the war are highly underrated. If it wasnt for the Soviets, we would all be speaking German (and maybe Italian and Japanese).
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Posted 25 March 2004 - 08:15 PM

QUOTE (Leftyy @ Mar 25 2004, 12:26 AM)

The US had a lie in for 3 (or 2) years and were about to make peace with Japan until they got attacked, by the Japanese

Actually, you are quite wrong. The US was not going to make peace with Japan. Japan was weakening the US economy by taking over many southeast Asian countries, who supply raw materials to the US. Japan knew this, and this was a reason they did the attacking there.

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every country had a part in winning the war, even France.


France's part was as large as Poland's part. They made for a nice long, wide highway to England.

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Czecol...whatever, I can't spell it, and a few other areas were actually invaded before Poland.


I was referring to the start of the war, not pre-war.
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Posted 26 March 2004 - 11:28 PM

US still waited until they got attacked until they finally decided that all this Facsism and Japan was bad. Much like 9/11. People all over the world were getting bombed by terrorists and the US couldn't care less about it, like the Lockerbie bombing.
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