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Anarchy does work...all the time infact. you would be hard pressed to find a place where it is not happening and working well within 100 yards of you...ants, plain and simple. Contrary to popular beliefe, ants are not an orderd society. they have no leader. no one ant tells another what to do. they are in total anarchy. but they are in order at the same time. ants exibit anarchy that works. the reason it works for them is becuase, even though they all do exactly what they want, they all want the exact same thing. each ant is a clone, 1000's of sisters that through accomplishing there own goals,wich match up exactly with every other ants goals,they end up working together. the probleme with humans doing this is that we all want something diferent. the clear and present eventuality of such a sytem employed in human sociecty is that, one persons wants would rapidly start conflicting with other peoples wants. this would happen in just about every other interaction. the only way it has a chance of working is if it is not complete anarchy(has some structure to give rite of way and yet still permit a secondary rite of way)...the other way is if we were all drones...I wouldnt like that but as a drone I wouldnt have a choice.
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Posted 21 April 2004 - 01:49 AM
...What? I have no idea what you are trying to say. 
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Posted 21 April 2004 - 02:33 AM
Some people just can't read internet shorthand...
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| Anarchy does work...all the time, in fact. You would be hard-pressed to find a place where it is not happening (and working well) within 100 yards of you... ants, plain and simple. Contrary to popular belief, ants are not an ordered society. They have no leader. No lone ant tells another what to do. They are in total anarchy... but, they are in order at the same time. Ants exhibit anarchy that works. The reason it works for them is because even though they all do exactly what they want, they all want the exact same thing. Each ant is a clone, thousands of sisters that, through accomplishing their own goals (which match up exactly with every other ant's goals), they end up working together. The problem with humans doing this is that we all want something different. The clear and present eventuality of such a system employed in human society is that one person's wants would rapidly start conflicting with other people's wants. This would happen in just about every other interaction. The only way it has a chance of working is if it is not complete anarchy (has some structure to give right-of-way and yet still permit a secondary right-of-way)... the other way is if we were all drones... I wouldn't like that, but as a drone I wouldn't have a choice. |
Wasn't even real internet shorthand either, more like a few misspelled words with a lack of capitals.
Anyway...
Just like communism, anarchy looks good on paper but is ruined in reality... there's a reason for this (this wording - not this exact wording, but this way of phrasing it - is in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy). You see, those who are suited to do a job tend not to want to do it, and those that want to are those that should not do it. To simplify, those that are put in a job are automatically the least-qualified to do it. To simplify the simplification, people are problems.
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Posted 21 April 2004 - 03:13 AM
It was bad spelling, grammar, whatever...Im not at my best rite now. ive been working all day. I was basicaly saying that anarchy(however the word is spelled) does work...but not for humans. when all the individuals(I was refering to ants) do what ever they want it works. as long as they all want the same thing.
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Posted 21 April 2004 - 09:47 PM
Anarchy CANNOT work. The common man is incapable of acting in good judgment, clearly evident via the number of people that use drugs, drink, or smoke in the world. Thoreau's philosophy, that "government is best which governs not at all," is total rubbish. The majority of the people in the world are incapable of leading themselves, and need to be led by the capable.
Recommended reading: Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes.
Recommended reading: Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes.
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Posted 22 April 2004 - 02:04 AM
| QUOTE (Leftyy @ Mar 14 2004, 10:02 PM) |
| Well, would it? I think that in some countries it would work out (Canada, New Zealand, Australia, a few others) But I think in some (USA, Mexico, UK, a few more places) it would turn that country to a barren wasteland. I base this on the fact of the amount of murders those countries have (first lot of countries, small numbers [bout 100 a year max], the second lot amount of murders it through the roof [11,000+]) What do you think? |
Sorry, if it's off topic, but I gotta point out...
Canada has WAY more that 100 murders a year...
Anyway, in tehory anarchy would work. but that doesn't take into consideration teh randomness of humanity. It would seem good, I mean, the people who are good at soemthing can do one thing for the betterment of everyone, but then one person attacks another and all **** breaks loose.
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Posted 22 April 2004 - 04:18 AM
hmm why don't we all create our own anarchist country and find out? 
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Posted 22 April 2004 - 09:00 PM
Crescens, I pretty much agree with you...every one else, I dont get why people cant under stand what im saying. Its really simple. Anarchy does exist and work within the animal kingdom(were even making it work in robotics, concerning the intrests in atonomy), but for man it simpley doesnt. why it works else where is becuase ants, web master spiders, and other animals, all have kind of a pre-programed view. they are drones in a sence becuase what each individual(in the case of animals who employ anarchy) wants is exactly the same as the next one. but with humans it wont work unless people would be willing to conform them selves to a common standard, wich wont happen(it may have been attempted in some ways but has always failed). to govern, is to preside over. so a government the doesnt exersise any amount of controll, is not a goverment. so there can be no government based on anarchy. there can either be government or anarchy but not both. I was simpley talking about animals, to point out that anarchy does exist and work in its place. becuase the way every one was talking, seemed to be saying that it didnt exist at all and could never work on any level.
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Posted 22 April 2004 - 09:04 PM
Just about the ONLY animals that live in anarchy are lone-hunter predators, such as bears, hawks, etc. Even then, there are ties maintained between family members of such animals; a child bear sacrifices its liberty in return for protection from its parents. Not really all that different from what humans do, really. Ants do not live in anarchy. Every ant does what they're, for lack of a better word, programmed to do to serve the hive and the queen. Ants live in dictatorship.
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Posted 23 April 2004 - 02:00 AM
| QUOTE (Danny Wells @ Mar 16 2004, 08:29 PM) |
| In Norway, there are not many, if any, murders a year. Max 5 or something. And why is that? Yes, that's because weapons(guns and such) is ILLEGAL in Norway(except high-ranking policemen and soldiers, they're allowed to). I think USA would be a much better country to live in if ALL WEAPONS WERE TO BECOME ILLGAL(no this isn't an offense against americans it's just a suggestion): |
You obviously have never heard of the Prohibition. Liquor was banned in the U.S., and liquor imporation increased. Why? Lots and lots of smuggling. Little tavern like places wouldn't let in government agents and cops but gave the booze to others.
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| Just about the ONLY animals that live in anarchy are lone-hunter predators, such as bears, hawks, etc. Even then, there are ties maintained between family members of such animals; a child bear sacrifices its liberty in return for protection from its parents. Not really all that different from what humans do, really. Ants do not live in anarchy. Every ant does what they're, for lack of a better word, programmed to do to serve the hive and the queen. Ants live in dictatorship. |
Insects have government?
I saw the Pixar movie A Bug's Life and I guess maybe they have government...
By the way, isn't anarchy a lack of government?
Just my two cents...
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Posted 23 April 2004 - 07:15 PM
| QUOTE (Crescens @ Apr 21 2004, 09:46 PM) |
| Anarchy CANNOT work. The common man is incapable of acting in good judgment, clearly evident via the number of people that use drugs, drink, or smoke in the world. Thoreau's philosophy, that "government is best which governs not at all," is total rubbish. The majority of the people in the world are incapable of leading themselves, and need to be led by the capable. Recommended reading: Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes. |
if they want to ruin their lives, why should we care.
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Posted 23 April 2004 - 09:32 PM
By not being productive, they are forcing those of us that work hard to pay their stupid welfare checks. I say unproductive people should be sent straight to the guillotine. Either that or Alaska. Or Canada.
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