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Da Vinci code and the First Amendment

#1 {lang:macro__useroffline}   Neraphym {lang:icon}

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Posted 17 May 2006 - 09:27 PM

Joseph Burstyn, Inc. v. Wilson, Commissioner of Education of New York, et al.
(An anti-blaspheming law overturned by the US Supreme Court)

http://www.bc.edu/bc...ch/burstyn.html



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1. Expression by means of motion pictures is included within the free speech and free press guaranty of the First and Fourteenth Amendments. Pp. 499-502.

(a) It cannot be doubted that motion pictures are a significant medium for the communication of ideas. Their importance as an organ of public opinion is not lessened by the fact that they are designed to entertain as well as to inform. P. 501.

(b) That the production, distribution and exhibition of motion pictures is a large-scale business conducted for private profit does not prevent motion pictures from being a form of expression whose liberty is safeguarded by the First Amendment. Pp. 501-502.

© Even if it be assumed that motion pictures possess a greater capacity for evil, particularly among the youth of a community, than other modes of expression, it does not follow that they are not entitled to the protection of the First Amendment or may be subjected to substantially unbridled censorship. P. 502.

(d) To the extent that language in the opinion in Mutual Film Corp. v. Industrial Comm'n, 236 U.S. 230, is out of harmony with the views here set forth, it is no longer adhered to. P. 502.



Recently there has been a great deal of anti-Da Vinci code sentiment in the news based on the fact that the book presents the catholic church in a negative light, and that the book basically undermines the entire christian faith. Some groups have gone has far as to propose laws banning this, and other anti-christian (blaspheming) movies, books, etc. Now, I respect their right to protest and what not, but passing a law to ban something because you disagree with it is exactly what the first amendment is here to protect us against.

Relgion and politics are very interesting topics for debate. As such, let us begin a debate about the issues presented in the Da Vinci code, and all reprocussions involved. The movie comes out this Friday, too!
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Posted 17 May 2006 - 10:15 PM

The Catholic Church has kept together a list of "banned movies" for years. The only ones they keep from watching them, however, are extremely devout Catholics that allow religion to dictate their lives.

No law is ever going to get passed banning the Da Vinci code (in book or movie form). It's too big a moneymaker and with all the excessive hype over an overrated mediocre book, churches are just going to get laughed at by the filmmakers if they try to stop the movie from coming out.

As for the book itself, I read it. It's alright. Not great. Not nearly worth the hype everyone is giving it.

Meh, whatever. I'm pointlessly ranting now.
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Posted 17 May 2006 - 11:52 PM

It was a great deal better than any other book I read... which barely says anything, because the only books I ever read are mandatory school assigned books (all of which suck... Grapes of Wrath, Scarlet Letter...).
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Posted 18 May 2006 - 01:18 AM

I have not read or seen the Da Vinci Code. Could someone please explain to me why some think it shows Christianity in a negative light? Or the Catholic Church in a negative light? If the official policy of the Catholic Church is to ban this movie, then I will not promote it or say that I like it. nonono2.gif
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Posted 18 May 2006 - 01:32 AM

maybe you should read or see it. i haven't seen it myself, but it is supposed to have views in it that go completely against Christianity.

ps. is it true that catholics say that to be a real christian, you have to attend mass every week and be a catholic. things don't really work like that... and it seems that being a cotholic would be a lot harder than being any other kind of christian where you don't have to attend a certain dinomination church every week. bluetongue.gif
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Posted 18 May 2006 - 05:09 AM

QUOTE(Rohtaren @ May 17 2006, 06:32 PM) {lang:macro__view_post}

maybe you should read or see it. i haven't seen it myself, but it is supposed to have views in it that go completely against Christianity.

ps. is it true that catholics say that to be a real christian, you have to attend mass every week and be a catholic. things don't really work like that... and it seems that being a cotholic would be a lot harder than being any other kind of christian where you don't have to attend a certain dinomination church every week. bluetongue.gif


Catholics do not believe that at all. The Catholic Church welcomes everyone. It's definitely a lot less strict and leanant than other Christian sects. :-\
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Posted 18 May 2006 - 09:28 AM

i don't understand why the Christian leaders feel threatened by a storybook. anyone who has had a middle-school education knows Brown's book borders on fantasy.
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Posted 18 May 2006 - 09:50 AM

QUOTE(Joseph @ May 18 2006, 03:09 PM) {lang:macro__view_post}

QUOTE(Rohtaren @ May 17 2006, 06:32 PM) {lang:macro__view_post}

maybe you should read or see it. i haven't seen it myself, but it is supposed to have views in it that go completely against Christianity.

ps. is it true that catholics say that to be a real christian, you have to attend mass every week and be a catholic. things don't really work like that... and it seems that being a cotholic would be a lot harder than being any other kind of christian where you don't have to attend a certain dinomination church every week. bluetongue.gif


Catholics do not believe that at all. The Catholic Church welcomes everyone. It's definitely a lot less strict and leanant than other Christian sects. :-\

If they were leneant, I doubt they would be banning a ficticious entertaining movie TheSmile.gif
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Posted 18 May 2006 - 08:08 PM

or making everybody in theeir denomination attend a cotholc church every week.

i'm not allowed to have comunion at a catholic church just because i'm a protestant!

look at the catholcs and protestants in ireland, they all hate each other!
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Posted 18 May 2006 - 11:25 PM

QUOTE(Rohtaren @ May 18 2006, 01:08 PM) {lang:macro__view_post}

or making everybody in theeir denomination attend a cotholc church every week.


WOMG CHURCH ONCE A WEEK! What ever will we do? Seriously, it's not a big deal o.O You get to do what ever you want the whole week, and you're asked to go to a church for an hour or two or three or however long you the Catholics ask! Whatever will you do?! I COULD'VE CONQUERED THE WORLD IN THAT FRACTION OF A DAY! >.<

Firstly... I doubt they make you go to church. I doubt they come to your house if you refuse and bodily cart you off to the building. It's your option, but you're supposed to either way.

No, I'm not Catholic. I think that the Catholic religion is pretty whacked grnwink.gif But I am a Mormon (Christian church), and we go to church once a week. Seriously... I like going to church. So what if I have to 'sacrifice' a few hours of my life once a week?







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Posted 18 May 2006 - 11:29 PM

You cannot recieve communion at a Catholic church because you are not Catholic. What is strict about that? Catholics do not make you go to church. Not at all. And even so, Catholic mass lasts about 45 minutes. 45 minutes a week. That is not that long at all.

You guys should really understand that the differences between different sects of Christianity are extremely suddle. The main differences are how celebrations and services are organized.
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Posted 20 May 2006 - 02:16 AM

The only reason churches don't force you to go to church is because people got fed up with it back when they did force you, and made laws separating church and state.

But yeah, watching the extreme people of the Christian faith go nuts over an explicitly fictional book is fun. It's like the kid who tries too hard in gym class. If the premise of the story is true, however, it does do a lot to undermine the Christian religion, or so they say. I don't see how things would change much if Jesus had a decendant. Sure, some sects would refuse to accept it, but overall, it shouldn't do much to alter the Chrisitan faith.
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Posted 20 May 2006 - 12:36 PM

QUOTE(Joseph @ May 18 2006, 07:29 PM) {lang:macro__view_post}
suddle

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Catholics screwed up big time in the middle ages, and that's why Protestantism exists.


and Darkness, i think that Mormonism is pretty whacked. i saw a TV commercial once, stating something along the lines of "the Book of Mormon is naturally part of the Christian Bible" - something to that effect. now, trying to convert others is okay, as long as you believe in your religion. but disguising your religion as part of another to attract followers borders on fraud. nothing against you, only the ones involved with that commercial.
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Posted 20 May 2006 - 01:55 PM

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I saw a TV commercial once,


Anything following that statement would most likely be a lie, a stretch of the truth, or just completely wrong and biased. bluetongue.gif
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Posted 20 May 2006 - 05:29 PM

you're right Base.
statements like that can never be verified.
except when mormon.org is proudly hosting the very commercial i mentioned.

check out "Day at the Diner" to see what i'm talking about.
http://www.mormon.org/seenontv/watch/1,19726,6163-1,00.html

yeah, "companion to the Bible" my {expletive antidisestablishmentarianized by Cspace}. more like "parasite of religions."

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