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Update To Everything - Short "future Of" Post

#16 {lang:macro__useroffline}   Glammeress {lang:icon}

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 02:20 AM

QUOTE (Cspace @ Jun 30 2004, 09:08 PM)
QUOTE (Baseballl @ Jun 30 2004, 08:52 PM)
In my opinion, we should not have Moderators because it is a symbol of power that you don't have. We should have select Super Mods (the ones now) and nobody else. The mods we have now could be promoted to Smod, but with a very tight choosing process.

The more you place in these positions, the more interests would be promoted of the clan/community. If you have a number of moderators, you are likely to have many opinions, and the more opinions you have the better the chances are that the wishes of the majority of the clan would be served (while the rest are still represented).

If we had a select group of Super Mods we would be following the course of an elitist group. Then it would be a few conducting the community for everyone. In this case it is guaranteed that the clan's wishes would not always be served and those in the mod positions would only be risen higher giving everyone else a sense of a strict hierarchy like that of a despotic government.

The truth is that moderators are moderators... They are like webmasters, and while they may have positions in SeeD, the position of moderator does not give anyone real "power". Moderators are here to conduct the communty and be sure that no one abuses it, that is the real purpose of the moderator position. If you did not have them anyone could post anything, and if you only have a select few the response time would be very bad, allowing the community to potentially become out of hand and really be subjected to serious conflicts.

I am in agreement that SeeD is not perfect, nobody said we were even close to obtaining some sort of internet utopia. bluetongue.gif But, as far as forums go, we're doing quite well. biglaugh.gif I've been in many of these communities in my years online, and most aren't half as civilized as this place is.

I don't think Super Mods should be some sort of elitist group of a few people who get along at the exclusion of others. C'sp made some great points about that here. So did others who pointed out the things we need to work on for the sake of the clan.

I know after reading all of this, I am reminded of the importance of keeping an open mind and heart in dealing with others; even those I don't particularly get along with. Every member, mod, Smod, and Global Mod is valued by virtue of their presence. I want to live up to that ideal a little better. Thanks for pointing these things out. I know I will walk away from this trying to excel in my position. Because it's not about us, our friends and our egos (when you're in any kind of administrative position); it's about the good of SeeD. And I can take constructive criticism. grnwink.gif Wouldn't be much help to people if I couldn't.

Thanks, guys.

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 03:23 AM

I think we should be able to choose whomever we wish as a mod, s-mod, or those other mods. You know, first nominate some, then Cspaces makes a number of polls, and eventually we have a few mods.
And now we have the quote of the day, from greenl2l: PLONGED!!!
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 03:45 AM

QUOTE (ticktockclok @ Jun 30 2004, 11:23 PM)
I think we should be able to choose whomever we wish as a mod, s-mod, or those other mods. You know, first nominate some, then Cspaces makes a number of polls, and eventually we have a few mods.

The problem with that is, oftentimes people who are unfit to moderate will be nominated.
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 03:51 AM

I doubt Green is done for us for good. He asked me if i were getting info out of him and I said I wasn't, but I changed my mind halfway through the conversation bluetongue.gif . Here's my proof that he will be back. I took this picture a few days ago.


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#20 {lang:macro__useroffline}   Cspace {lang:icon}

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 04:09 AM

Here's another way to look at it:

Suppose that SeeD were a boot (yes, a boot bluetongue.gif ). If someone were starting a new boot company, they obviously cannot reinvent the boot (I mean, it's just a tall and sturdy shoe...). So they would start with just a boot (or a few) to get started, incorporating what is believed to be good for a boot. Maybe it is believed among the executives that squirrel leather makes the best boot, so the first boot is made from the finest squirrel leather available. Obviously some would be interested, and some may even try it out (or in our case, join). The company would be initially successful, they have something new that others are willing to try, but surprised as they may be the complaints started coming in (or in our case, suggestions, but without surprise grnwink.gif ). They found that squirrel leather was not that popular because it wears out too easily, so instead they made a new boot made of rabbit leather (lol, don't ask me why...). This boot would become a success somehow and many liked it for a while.

As time goes on, the boot would be improved from the suggestions of those who wore it. Eventually they had the boot and everything seemed great (or in our case, the clan's foundation). No longer does anyone need to worry about it until something forces another change (such as the melting of the ice caps resulting in the boots being made of rubber, but that won't happen for a while 1zhelp.gif ). Anyway, now those who wear the boot can have more specific demands.

Maybe some begin to complain about the boot being tedious to tie. Since the company is becoming very large with its popular and now patented rabbit-leather design, and since the boot is a little extensive with the laces, the complaints start coming in. Eventually, the company executives say that it is a boot and it cannot be changed, if they don't want to lace it then get velcro sneakers... Until one day.

One day, they get a peculiar message from a customer. He is not complaining about the lacing problem, but suggested an idea that maybe if springy shoelaces were produced no one would have to lace the boots! The company, surprised by the ingenious idea, began work on springy shoelaces. When they hit the market, everyone is satisfied that they don't have to lace their shoelaces, but some are a little turned off by the polka dotted design of them. Through later suggestions the company could improve on the shoelaces further to suit their customers. This correlates to how problems are sometimes addressed in SeeD, and then the decisions improved further through experiencing the change.

However, there is a natural problem for the customer that the executives cannot do anything about (unless through genetic engineering of the poor rabbits): The boots must be worked in for them to be the perfect fit. Off the shelf a boot is uncomfortable (although quite convenient with its spiffy springy shoelaces). In order for the boot to be any good to the one wearing it, it must be worn and maybe bent a little and worked in with wax to loosen or waterproof the leather. In the case of SeeD, you should participate in the clan in order to make it what you want it to be. When you join you would be confused, eventually you will gain a better understanding of how we work, and finally after being active long enough you would see what you enjoy in SeeD and stick with it. Maybe you specialize in PKing, or maybe you enjoy the community. The clan is different for everyone, just as every used boot would be. It becomes more different for you the more active you are and the longer you are in the clan, just as a boot would be.

Eventually, the boot would wear out. Some may repair it with duct tape or rubber cement, but it wouldn't be recommended deal.gif . Face it, you need a new boot, so you go to the store and find that the company has a new one available made of gator skin! Now is the moment of truth, do you want the soft feel of rabbit or the sturdy feel of gator? Definitely the sturdy feel, you think to yourself. As time goes on, more customers switch to gator skin because they happen to like it, so the company changes its focus to adapt to what the customers want. Eventually rabbit leather boots become a thing of the past, just as SeeD would change to adapt to new situations, difficulties, and focuses of members.

Lastly, as the company grows, other companies may decide to make third-party accessories to the gator boot. One company decides to make a mad gator decal, another makes glowing beads to place on the shoelaces (undead hippie style biglaugh.gif ), and another makes a heel insert to make the boot more comfortable. This shows that anyone could make something for the boot, and if anyone likes the new stuff, they can buy it and adapt it for their own boots. This is just like SeeD. Events, features, forums, everything that can be made from the suggestions and ideas of the members. They can be add-ons or even major changes to how we work (such as the heel insert). Without those thinking of the ideas, these new things would never be available, and the company obviously cannot think of everything (I mean, come on, undead hippie beads? eek7.gif ).

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I'm just trying to make an example of how things are intended to work. We cannot change if you just say what is wrong with SeeD, if there is something you don't like don't be afraid to make a suggestion. It would be more highly considered than you would think and would be implemented if possible. We base everything on what the members want, it is just that sometimes we need to make changes or decisions in order to keep things going smoothly. The past few months have been a high-maintenance time, however they do not represent how we intend to function. Now that the situation is over everything can go back to the way it was (in terms of the community), but that depends on whether you're willing to change. We can keep conflicts festering, or we can forget them. That is up to you and no one else. If you are complaining about a conflict you're in, try to end it if you find it a problem. Feel free to ask any other SeeDs for assistance if you'd like as well. Please don't complain about it though and blame it on the clan because you're unwilling to let something go, we are willing to help but we cannot make you do anything. We can only provide honest suggestions and take action if it is brought here and magnified.
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 04:26 AM

All these boot talk is making me want to destroy my boot. So can the Tartan Guild have a Forum after the Update? Are you going to improve Darkstorm any farther? Btw come to my event for DStorm if you approve of it. Event



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Posted 01 July 2004 - 04:32 AM

QUOTE (ticktockclok @ Jun 30 2004, 11:23 PM)
I think we should be able to choose whomever we wish as a mod, s-mod, or those other mods. You know, first nominate some, then Cspaces makes a number of polls, and eventually we have a few mods.

A rebellion will happen easier that way.
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#23 {lang:macro__useroffline}   Baseballl {lang:icon}

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 04:36 AM

It always seems that Seed tries to hide from conflicts and mistakes. Nobody here knows what goes on in the Mod Forum, do you? (already said this before).

Here are some good examples:

Spikeout: He is in there because he posted a picture of an almost naked man. I stopped the topic before anyone had a chance to reply and talk behind his back. Shouldn't we tell Spike that is wrong, not go behind his back? Does going behind his back solve anything?

Bespetna: His grammar isn't that good, he doesn't express himself 100% the positive way. There was a huge topic about him. All the mods got upset and fighted over Bespetna. Didn't know so many guys fighted over another guy.... All someone had to do was talk to him from the start, not go behind his back to get him banned. The topic sounded like an auction, all I heard was numbers flying through the air (the number of days, weeks, and months to ban him)

Crescens:He told everyone to get Aids in the mod forum because they were putting the "Say no to Crescens" image in their sigs. He called everyone a moron for putting it in there. Nobody knew the insults they received from him, did they?

Bigbro: Bigbro made the list because people were upset with his attitude and behavior. People called him jealous, all sorts of things. Did he ever know of the insults that he was receiving? Wouldn't a PM to him or an instant message help him to understand some things?

Lprince: He made the list because some mods picked on him for his behavior and typing patterns. Did he know about people going behind his back?

Yhcln: He made the list because he had multiple names, supposedly for his brother and him. Did multiple names hurt anything? Did mods have anything to do with it?

See what goes on behind member's backs?? They might not even know they are being badmouthed in the Mod Forum. Mods are supposed to Moderate the community, but is it any of the Mod's business to get someone banned?? I think we need to stop using Secure Forums to insult people and go behind their back when they can't defend themselves.
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#24 {lang:macro__useroffline}   X Zolon {lang:icon}

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 06:10 AM

Okay, I brought this back

I don't wanna see anyone fighting again, got it?
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 06:23 AM

Thanks man,

And XZ, sorry bout the post earlier, I misunderstood what you put down. That was my fault for misreading, and I apologize.



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#26 {lang:macro__useroffline}   X Zolon {lang:icon}

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 06:24 AM

Who said we weren't?

Just speaking my mind. Personally, I've been kept up in a tiny bottle for too long...

Things in SeeD are about to heat up, Because the Red Crusader is back in town, baby.
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 06:26 AM

I thought what you said was directed toward me, and after that I kinda realized that I misunderstood you. Sometimes things like that can make people not want to be friends, lol.
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 06:27 AM

Yeah. I know. Whatever.


Okay. Everyone, go about your normal way.

I'm gonna go play DS.
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 07:35 AM

It's easier enough to guess what goes on in the mod forum, even if there's 'supposedly' no posts about you... *Chuckle*

I agree with base 100% on this, just a small group of super moderators would be much better than (nearly) every active member having power.
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 07:36 AM

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Spikeout: He is in there because he posted a picture of an almost naked man. I stopped the topic before anyone had a chance to reply and talk behind his back. Shouldn't we tell Spike that is wrong, not go behind his back? Does going behind his back solve anything?


A few people just can't let go of the past, can they base. link.gif



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