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Complete List Of Forum Rules And Punishments Disregard all others, this will update

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Preface: I know that this may seem like another "novel" but I need to cover everything. I have divided everything with headings, all you really need to read are the headings unless you're interested in seeing specifically what I mean with reasons or whatnot. Many of these are obvious, some aren't. Please at least read the headings so you know what is allowed and what is not.

Obscene Content:
Pornography: This is an instant and perminant ban as well as a reason for immediate deletion of your post and follow-up replies. It DOES NOT BELONG HERE, NO EXCEPTIONS. Posting links to porn sites will result in the same action.

Illegal Content: Any real life scams, hacking attempts, and direct privacy breaches (posting any specifically identifying information without permission; includes an address, phone number, last name, hacker-usable information, religion in a negative light, and political affiliation in a negative light) SHOULD BE DELTED AND REPORTED TO ME. Scams will result in a 3 month suspension, hacking attempts will result in a perminant ban, and privacy breaches can flex between a two week suspension and a perminant ban depending on the intent.

Images Of Real-Life Violence Or Death: Even though it could sometimes appear in the news, this should not be viewed by the younger age group here. The posting of any dead people (from war or anything else), anyone pointing a real gun at another person (a toy or a gun in a movie or game is usually okay, but don't include the target if it is from a movie; in a game the rule can be a bit relaxed), or anyone who has been terribly injured by violence does not belong here. The posting of a dead or injured person will result in a 16-day suspension and the posting of a real gun being pointed at a person will result in a 9-day suspension. The post may be deleted in either case. The posting of a target in a movie will result in deletion but not punishment (unless it is not at a human, we shouldn't mind the Alien being shot at for instance bluetongue.gif ). If desired, you may post someone hunting a game animal (like a deer), but do not show the dead deer... please. Paintballing photographs are fine, regardless of how painful you brought it upon yourself screama.gif .

Addition: Posting a soldier holding a gun or firing is okay as long as the target is not shown. It could be training for all we know.

Obsessive Profanity: The filter is there for a reason and if you find and use a way around it then your entire post can be deleted. If you use profanity and the censor catches it then unless completely obsessive you are fine. Any damage to your reputation as a result will not be redeemed by a mod or leader, and they will not justify it. When we have the ability for members to turn off the censor for themselves then that would be completely up to you (it will happen with the next version).
Note To Mods: If you use obsessive profanity it could be grounds to remove your mod rights indefinitely, whether censored or not you are a representative of our community.



Flaming:
IMPORTANT: I know that sometimes it is hard not to let out steam, and sometimes everyone just explodes and says things that they do not mean to say. There are not many that have never done anything remotely like the below. I am not going to instantly take action against you the second you do one of these, if you ever break one of the rules in the "Flaming" category you are able to get yourself out of having something done against you. It is easy too, however it must not be abused.

If you ever notice that you flamed someone and can see that you can have action taken against you (or if a mod warns you in a reply quickly enough saying that it is probably a suspendable offence), you can edit your topic, delete the flaming (or "harassment"), replace it with a message either apologizing or just noting that something was taken out by you, and submit it to remove the offence from the post (if you have the option, insert the "edit by" text). You can edit the text so it is not offensive also, just note that you changed it and make sure that the "edit by" text is there. You have up to 15 minutes from your initial post to submit the change. If you are going to edit the message, unless a quick change, I would recommend taking it out and submitting it first (then editing again) because there is the time limit. You can only do this twice per month, if used more during the same time frame then it will not have any effect.

If the flaming is not removed within 15 minutes though is removed within 30 minutes, the days of your suspension will be decreased by half. This will count as one of your two per month. If it actually was not a suspendable offence it will not count against you, nor will it take away from your two per month. The monthly limit is only applicable with regards to actual offences.

When you do this, you must send me the quote. I will not do anything against you or send it to anyone else.

Any follow-up flaming must take the same action.


Harassment And Negative Sarcasm: If you use sarcasm or another tactic to harass a member or get him/her angry on our boards, then you will be suspended for two days. If you continue then you will be suspended for 7 days for every following offence of the same type. This needs to be an obvious attempt to hurt the member. This includes blatant mention of bad spelling, grammar, or perceived intelligence.
Note To Mods: You may also have mod rights removed indefinitely if this is a habit.

Direct Flaming: If you are caught outright flaming a member, posting direct insults to anyone who comes here, then you will be suspended for 10 days plus one day per explitive used, regardless of whether the censor picked it up. If you used three explitives (cuss words) in your direct attempt at flaming, then you will be suspended for 13 days. Again, this needs to be an honest attempt, however it is always obvious if direct. This is basically on the level of "You are a demented piece of cicada dung who needs to be launched into Jupiter for your stupid typing skills!" (yes, that was a bit stupid but I'm sure that you can insert the negative comments there... bluetongue.gif )
Note To Mods: You will probably also have mod rights removed indefinitely.

Return Flaming Or Harassment: The same action would be taken against you as if you were the one to start it.



Chat Abuse:
These rules are more flexible because the situation is always different in the chat, and all action taken as a result of chat abuse will be kept in the chat and not brought to the forums. In other words, you will not be banned on the forums for abusing the chat. Most punishments in the chat would generally be more short-lived since it is easier for one to lose composure when something happens there.

Profanity: In either SeeDChat or CspaceChat profanity is not allowed. Period. If you would like to use profanity then create another channel. If an op catches you using profanity (in one message, not one word), you will be warned. If you use profanity again in another message you can be kicked if the ops feel that it is necessary. If you use it in over four messages within one session then any active op should kick you with another warning. If you come back and use profanity again you can be banned for the time interval that the ops feel is necessary. If you use a racial put-down or something on the same level you can be banned without warning and for the interval that the ops feel is necessary.
Note To Ops: If you use profanity it could be a reason for the current chat founder to remove your op rights. Members can report you to him/her.

Op Abuse: If an op is using his/her powers wrongly then you should contact another op to handle the situation. If it is a real problem that keeps coming up, contact the current owner of the channel to take necessary action. The op powers may be removed indefinitely if abused.

Flaming: Sarcasm and other lesser forms of harassment require one verbal and public warning from an op. Continuation will result in banning for the time interval considered necessary. Open flaming can result in an instantaneous kick or ban if necessary from the point of view of the ops.
Note To Ops: This could be a reason for the current chat founder to remove your op rights. Members can report you to him/her.

Impersonation: Whether registered or not, if you claim to be someone that you are not then you should be kicked by ops if discovered. Every time after that that you sign on under that name you can be kicked. This can continue indefinitely but after two times you can be banned if the ops feel that it is necessary. Any member who discovers that it is impersonation should bring it to everyone's attention.
Note To Ops: This could be a reason for the current chat founder to remove your op rights. Members can report you to him/her.



"Organized Protests":
Creating A Poll To See How The Community Feels About An Issue: Completely fine and will not result in any punishment unless negative. Actually... We welcome this and hope that everyone uses polls when they would like to display how the clan feels about an issue. It will always be highly considered.

Creating A Debate Over An Issue In The Community: Completely fine and will not result in any punishment unless negative. In fact we hope that you do debate any problems or new ideas in SeeD or CurvedSpace because it will improve things here. It will always be highly considered.

Creating A Poll Or Discussion To Directly Remove A Leader Or Mod From His/Her Position: No requests such as this should be posted. It will result in the post being sent to the Deletion Archive. This includes anything like "Do You Want To See John Doe Removed?" polls. We are not a country, we are a gaming community. We are here to have fun, and organized attempts to bring anyone down is not necessary. You can come to a leader about what they did but don't try to get the clan to organize to remove them.

Creating A Poll Or Discussion To Ban A Member: No requests such as this should be posted, and if sent to a leader directly and bluntly (like "Ban John Doe For This") it will be disregarded. If posted it will result in the post being sent to the Deletion Archive. This includes anything like "Do You Want To See John Doe Banned?" polls (anywhere, including the mod forum). We are not a country, we are a gaming community. We are here to have fun, and organized attempts to bring anyone down is not necessary. You can come to a leader about what they did but don't try to get the clan to organize to remove them.

Creating A Negative Demonstration Or Organized "Protest": This includes creating a group to harm our community (including "Anti" clans), organized attempts to get members to leave to make a point, imitating members systematically to make a point (not just a single case of impersonation), spreading false rumors systematically about any aspect of SeeD to gain false support, going to other communities in an honest attempt to just ruin our image (like registering and trying to turn those who do not know us against us), making demands to get specific updates made (like serious "if you don't do this then I will do this" demands), blackmailing members and leaders for generalizations "for the good of SeeD" (like trying to get them angry so you can use it against them), systematically organizing a group to mass-flame (a "flame attack"), rulebreaking and using it for a false "look at me, SeeD lets me do this" message, systematically bringing down a specific member group or other group of members by negative means, or any other organized effort (usually of a group) to "hurt SeeD to make it better".

You don't need to do this, you can bring up changes in threads and make polls or discussions to truly see how the clan feels. This will be taken seriously and can lead to change. If a negative "protest" is used we end up having to concentrate on fixing the problems you are causing, which are often major and widespread. "The end justifies the means" in our situation only hurts members, you can make changes without doing damage. In real life situations and in countries which allow it, protests are perfectly fine if not violent. We are not a country though, we are a gaming site and general community for fun. Members here are here to have fun and enjoy our community, have more fun in online games, have worthwhile discussions, and really anything else that is not openly negative. We need to maintain justice if members really try to cause problems but we do not need to hurt members to require immediate change (which may not always be in the interest of the clan, as some may wrongly feel who start these dramas). This can also be justification for one to back out of a situation that they started with truly negative intentions. If you want to make a change then bring it up, if you don't like something in SeeD then please voice your opinion. Don't force it on others and don't hurt the clan or community in order to get the attention you think you require. Be responsible and treat our community as it really is, don't take it too seriously and don't stress yourself too much over it. If something is wrong you need to let me know but don't treat it like what it is not. It is for your enjoyment, making friends, and having discussions that you consider worthwhile (whether a debate, a discussion about a new game, or even insanity), it is not a domain to live your life and you shouldn't treat it as such. With freedom some will say things that you do not agree with, either you want censorship or you will have to understand that not everyone thinks the same way as you, and you do not need to resort to damaging our clan and hurting our members to make what you believe is a positive impact.

If you are caught organizing one of these negative "protests" at the expense of our community or our members, you will be suspended for three months up to perminantly depending on the level of the offence and the number of members involved (this can apply to "joint leadership" over these as well, giving all starting the situation the same punishment). Moderator positions will be taken away indefinitely. Those who follow at the expense of our community or members can be suspended for 30 days up to perminantly (if severe). There is no justification to hurt members here.



Damaging Our Board Or Website:
Moderator Attacks: If you are a moderator and decide to use your powers to systematically ruin the boards and member profiles (if possible for you) then you will lose your mod rights perminantly. You will also be suspended for at least 30 days to perminantly. This does not include mistakes or other broken rules, it includes honest attempts to go around destroying threads to get revenge or whatever.

Deleting Topics Which Need Not Be Deleted: If you feel that a thread requires removal though is not listed here as a specific reason for deletion, then you can send the topic (un-edited) to the Deletion Archive. This way it can be recovered if a mistake was made. If you actually delete someone else's thread that is not listed as breaking an applicable rule for that, you will lose mod rights for at least 30 days per thread (only more if severe). If you delete someone else's post then please either copy and paste a backup into the Deletion Archive or split the thread and move part to the Deletion Archive. If you physically delete a single post that does not require deletion then you will be demodded for at least 15 days (only more if severe). If you send a topic to the Deletion Archive edited so content is missing, it will be treated as a deletion.

Hacking Into Our Website For Any Reason: Regardless of method or reason, you will be banned from the entire website (will come up with an unauthorized error for every page) forever. This includes the forums, chat, games, and general site content. We are also likely to report this and you could face punishments from the law because it is illegal. This includes unauthorized connections to the server, attacks, stolen database information (no, passwords cannot be stolen regardless of who looks at the database, not even the administrators can recover them), and the uploading of malicious software. There will be absolutely no leeway, either you are a system administrator or you are to keep out. We can track it and will, and we also have professionals watching connections who will record suspicious activity.



Other Moderator Concerns:
Posting In The Deletion Archive: You are allowed to post follow-ups in the Deletion Archive, but none should be harmful to the member. If you post anything that does not belong there it can be deleted. When transferring the thread out the topic should be split so the comments (if correctly posted) can remain in the D.A.

Posting About Members In The Moderator Forum: You are allowed to post about actions in the mod forum but you cannot mention anything at the expense of any member unless they do something that is really wrong. The forum is there for mods to help one another, not spread rumors about members or try to get the mod team against them (whether intended or not). These topics should be deleted if obviously negative or negatively revolving around a member.

Posting Direct Ban Requests In The Mod Forum: Plain and simple, these requests should be deleted. They contribute to the above rule and are not necessary to maintain an enjoyable community.



How To Report The Above:
If On The Chat: Contact either an op or the chat founder, depending on the severity of the situation.

If On The Forums: If a conflict needs assistance with ending, contact the Head of Conflict Resolution or a mediator (who will not do anything against you, they can help you end the situation). If one of the above rules is broken on the forums, there will be a forum in which to post it shortly (a "Post Topic"-only forum where you cannot view the contents).

If You Feel That One Of The Above Rules Should Change: Post your reasons in the new Suggestion Forum.



Other Important Things To Note:
- This list will be amended, though will never affect situations which occurred previously. In other words, the rules will not be changed to get you in trouble for something you already did that wasn't listed.

- We try to be lenient, this is a gaming and entertainment community and it should remain that. We don't need to go around threatening everyone and basically saying that they had better watch out because someday they will be banned. I hate having to punish members, in my opinion if a situation is solved and the community is going in the right direction everything is cool. This list may be long but it is not limiting what you post. It is here so we can promote friendliness and prevent members from being hurt. We are not being "goody-goody" and saying you can post this and you can't post that, we are against heavy censorship, basically what I am saying is that you shouldn't try to hurt other members though. If you do not have any intentions of hurting members then this really doesn't apply to you, and I'm sorry about the time you may have spent reading it. If you do feel that something applies to you then you need to think about it.

You can post anything you would like. You can "abuse" the Insanity Board, talk about politics or other similar topics, discuss games, get help in a variety of problems (whether real life or in an online game), make friends, discuss basically any topic that comes to mind, participate in and host a variety of fun and/or rewarding events, play the games we offer and compete with other members, and just enjoy it! Don't turn it into something so serious that you no longer enjoy SeeD or CurvedSpace. If you are friendly to members then they will be friendly back, you will get much more out of SeeD. Yeah, you can rant about problems you may be having. You can point out problems and mistakes if necessary. But just be respectful! That's all I am really asking of you...

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Posted 01 August 2004 - 12:01 AM

double topicing eh thats a no no

EDIT:okay:) now i think this was a good layout and very organsed and has pretty much everything detailed im not sure what 1 or 2 of the things where but then again im 13:P

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Posted 01 August 2004 - 12:03 AM

QUOTE (GoveaMaster @ Jul 31 2004, 07:01 PM)
double topicing eh thats a no no

My internet glitched, I deleted the other when I got back on.
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Posted 01 August 2004 - 12:07 AM

I can see how the uploading of malicous files would be punishable, but what if its an accident? Lets say "John Doe" finds a Runescape calculator somewhere and he wants to share it with everybody, so he uploads it and unwittingly knows there is a virus or some other malicous code in it, would he get banned?



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Posted 01 August 2004 - 12:11 AM

It's permenant, not perminent.. Isn't it?? eek7.gif

I don't know about the personal information though... I think it should be acceptable to share it on the forum if they want to...

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Posted 01 August 2004 - 12:13 AM

QUOTE (Cspace @ Jul 31 2004, 07:58 PM)
Posting Direct Ban Requests In The Mod Forum: Plain and simple, these requests should be deleted. They contribute to the above rule and are not necessary to maintain an enjoyable community.

How about posting about a member who was causing problems, then discussing punishments? Are we not allowed to do that anymore?
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Posted 01 August 2004 - 12:14 AM

Permanent, actually.

Maybe we should add this to the SeeD main site. (The rules, hehe, not the spelling of permanent.)
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Posted 01 August 2004 - 12:16 AM

.*Attempts to read all*

*Counts...*

I should be suspended for 5 years and 25 days thumb.gif

READ YOUR PMs CSPACE!!! AHHH
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Posted 01 August 2004 - 12:18 AM

QUOTE (Muler @ Jul 31 2004, 06:16 PM)
.*Attempts to read all*

*Counts...*

I should be suspended for 5 years and 25 days  thumb.gif

i wonder if that could be arranged:P

i schould be for 57 days and be banned from seedchat

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Posted 01 August 2004 - 12:19 AM

QUOTE (Muler @ Jul 31 2004, 08:16 PM)
READ YOUR PMs CSPACE!!! AHHH

It would take less time to read the rules spit.gif
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Posted 01 August 2004 - 12:29 AM

What about flamebacks?
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Posted 01 August 2004 - 12:31 AM

Thanks Cspace, I think this is badly needed. Now Moderators can't be accused of 'abuse' when they're just trying to follow the rules, and at the same time they can't get away with more than they're meant to. Fairer on everyone TheSmile.gif .
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Posted 01 August 2004 - 12:41 AM

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Permanent, actually.

Sorry, I'm tired. I was up until 3:30 last night and had to get up at 5:00 this morning. The night before yesterday I was up until 2:00 in the morning (and had to go to work at 8:00) because of a possible hacker... which I later discovered was the host installing a minor change to make the server work with the network (I believe, it was the host doing something to keep things running correctly regardless though).

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I can see how the uploading of malicous files would be punishable, but what if its an accident? Lets say "John Doe" finds a Runescape calculator somewhere and he wants to share it with everybody, so he uploads it and unwittingly knows there is a virus or some other malicous code in it, would he get banned?

Sorry, I didn't really specify that. I am referring to someone uploading directly to our site, not on the forums. In other words someone somehow gaining access to the server and uploading a malicious program. Uploading a keylogger to the forums as an attachment is a different but similar offence.

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I don't know about the personal information though... I think it should be acceptable to share it on the forum if they want to...

Probably just missed it, but I said "without permission". If a member says that it's okay to post something like a last name or an address relating to him/her then there is nothing wrong with it. I am saying that if someone obtains it somehow, he/she cannot just go and post it. Most members do not want this information to be public and we will not let it happen if this is the case.

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How about posting about a member who was causing problems, then discussing punishments? Are we not allowed to do that anymore?

No. Their actions can be posted but punishments are not in the scope of the moderators. Only the chat ops and administrators can actually take action other than justified deletion; in the future probably Global Mods as well.

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READ YOUR PMs CSPACE!!! AHHH

I'm sorry, I have been in a time crunch and I still have over 100 PMs to go through (I need to have the chance to respond to them more quickly than they are coming in). Many are waiting, I am very sorry about that.

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.*Attempts to read all*

I said that you don't necessarily need to read the whole thing in its entirety, for example you won't have to worry about posting anything illegal so you can skip that as well as anything else like that which doesn't apply to you. This is not a "speech", it's just a reference. A detailed reference where I must cover everything to prevent judgement conflicts.
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Posted 01 August 2004 - 12:43 AM

Heh k.

Whats the rules about flamebacks? Will I recieve punishment if I return a flame?
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Posted 01 August 2004 - 12:43 AM

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What about flamebacks?

Flaming is not allowed regardless of intention. You don't need to counter flaming with flaming, there are other ways to solve it and the moderators will help you if you're the target. If you flame back then you would have action taken against you according to the rules and how they apply to what you said.

Addition: You don't have to ignore it, you can directly address it but you shouldn't try to hurt the other member in return.
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