[Muler]

Agh! I just made a second post saying that it was sarcasm, the Plonged was just a joke hehe

Sign on AIM!!!

[X Zolon]

Eh, close enough.. Cspace got me started on the whole thingy, it was neat

Cspace.. Aim?

[CongressJon]

So does that mean that you find this idea feasible, Cspace? Would be quite interesting to see that implemented...

[Goto]

Ok.. a couple of things to respond to here.

1. I'll try to do my best to keep the boards light, I prefer not to go with heavy moderation by choice anyway. I do tend to move things to their proper places, because otherwise having different boards seems a little pointless.

2. Baseballl, I believe you when you say you're not trying to create more fights, but please don't list people by name like that, and be a bit careful with your humour. You may find it funny, but the people it's directed at may not think it's a joke, or may not appreciate being subjected to it. We don't want any grudges between members, so do your best to avoid creating any, eh?

3. I'm not sure I'd agree with Zolon's idea for a remake of the Moderation system. 6 boards per regular mod is a bit heavy, quite a few of our best people are limited in how long they can spend on the boards, it wouldn't be fair on them to expect that much. Furthermore that would mean having far less mods, and I know you wouldn't be happy if somebody suddenly took away your responsibility for no particular reason. Neither would most of the others, that's something that may have to be taken into account. I'm not against change, I just don't know if this would be the best way in which to do so.

4. As far as picking moderators, I agree that Moderators shouldn't be the thing that is picked by people other than Cspace. However there may not be such reservations if it was a rank not related to the board. Most likely something along the lines of the 'Captain' idea in the suggestions board. Perhaps a new secure board only able to be seen by Captains, Generals, etc. where possible promotions can be discussed, to stop it being one persons decision (having one person make a decision introduces too much bias to the choice).

[MA-53]

as far as those mod "mod councel" people go, I think that cspace should pick the mods, and handle the mods, unless he finds it hard, or just doesn't want to. THEN we have people do his job.

Many times i have seen people try to make this more of a republic than cspace's forums. And while I can see how that would make things better in some ways, I must state again taht cspace pays for these forums, and he should be able to do whatever the heck he wants with them.

If you don't like what he, or other mods are doing, just have a look at my signature, and all your problems will be solved

About Base's mod-god comment, i read it as being good natured fun, but it may have been otherwise.

[Cspace]

Adding to my other post about the conflicts:

There are really only a few who have been fighting and they have begun to stop. Part of the reason that these situations became major is because the clan was pulled into their personal situations. On any board like this there will be conflicts, they can be handled and solved, but only when they are in the spotlight are they really problems. Compared to many other communities we could be considered virtually conflict-free. There have been about five members who actually were involved in these conflicts, and these problems just continued. They were then blown out of proportions because the clan itself (practically as a whole) became involved and personal matters became global problems as members took sides. This is what made them larger problems, not their existence but the involvement of virtually the entire clan in some way.

All this was over the problems of a few members. I'm not saying that we shouldn't help, I'm just saying that we don't need to keep treating them like what they are not. At least 90% of everyone active here were looking at the situations from the outside and making judgements, that doesn't mean that they were part of the conflicts. Some tried to help, some unofficially joined the "factions" and sided with certain members, and others just commented on what was going on. Most were commenting on how stupid all of this was and how members should get along. Then there were the few who were actually in the conflicts.

The problems were not caused by the conflicts themselves. We only really had a few. The problems came when almost everyone took an active part in them in some way.

Now the conflicts are really over, but some of the minor rivalries of a few members still exist. Base, I was talking to you about the "factions" for a long time and explaining how they formed as you were basically summarizing in your post. In order to deal with the factions you don't put them center-stage though, that is what started them in the first place. You have to change the atmosphere of the clan, that is what will solve the problem. Once everyone enjoys SeeD again everything will improve.

The factions are a state of mind, one can tell members all about how they exist and that they should end but there is no physical way to change how members view each other unless they see one another in a different light. By bringing these past situations back to the present and stating that they are a problem for everyone and would be a roadblock, one would be altering the more benign atmosphere that the mods and leaders have been working on re-establishing.

When the place becomes more enjoyable these factions will naturally disintegrate. This is the state in which we existed before the situation, we helped one another but did not concentrate on everyone's mistakes. We would have seemed passive compared to the past few months, but everyone was much happier and minor situations were much more short-lived.

[Baseballl]

I would like to discuss some things over Aim since I don't want to be saying them here. If you could come on, even only for a minute, it would help alot.

This post has been edited by Baseballl: 13 August 2004 - 12:48 AM

[Raktor]

I've never seen the moderators as being too heavy as a whole, it is only certain moderators anyway. Nothing's ever been TOO heavy by those people anyway, just a bit of demands (Shifting to and from DA) and just other conflicts about random things.

One that comes to mind is the 'What do you think of Silverspy?'. It should have stayed in the DA, but there was basically a 'Mod War' over who could keep it in the DA, and who could send it back to GD.

And Baseballl, why is your Member Title still 'Elite General'...

[Dragonman]

Like I said before somewhere, moderators are guides, not rulers. Extra power for mods may not work out so well. We don't want members thinking that mods are their rulers and the position is needed so that you be "someone" in SeeD. People think/thought that now/before (), so think of what might happen if mods could ban or something.

[obiwan22]

[Cspace]

[Goto]

Picking moderators might need to be improved little. Not saying Cspace is doing a bad job, but he can't get online enough to watch members for moderator qualities and those who are worthy. Soon he'll have to just base it off how long they've been on or those who ask him. So we should have maybe Super Moderators and up watch for these kind of people and let Cspace know of who should be promoted. Sometimes members aren't ready yet, and it's getting hard for Cspace to tell that (silly NASA ).

This kind of thing goes on a little bit already in Mod Discussion, and I think limiting it to Smods wouldn't really be beneficial. A wider variety of people able to watch and suggest people makes it more likely people that deserve to be noticed are noticed. Something that could be done is a new board (or sub-board of MD, perhaps) just for this purpose.

[Cspace]

*Bump*

Just because this thread is old doesn't mean that it is no longer in effect. Really, we need to concentrate on this if we are going to fix the problems we have. If you're so desperate to put down someone that you have to put someone down over something minor which isn't against the rules nor would hurt someone, you need to chill for a little bit. Take a break or something, there is nothing worse than being afraid to post what one feels in fear of moderation or chastisement (as long as it obviously isn't against the rules).