[obiwan22]

Well, I was randomly flipping through channels and happened upon a History Channel special on the Holy Grail. They mentioned two different theories, one is that the holy grail is the cup Jesus drank from on the last supper, the other is that the Holy Grail is actually Jesus's bloodline, his descendants that may exist even today. Which theory do you support, do you have facts to back it up? Discuss!!!

Uh, I think this is vague, so, A&W can ship it to the D.A. if he wants..

[Neraphym]

Who you callin a DA? j/k There's one theory about Jesus' bloodline, which I don't think is ture. Though he may have descendants, I'd like to believe there is an actual cup. It is a known fact that he drank from something during the last supper, but a decendant is just a rumor. Even if it were true, would it matter? They'd have no special powers to speak of, would they?

Another theory is that the Holy Grail is actually a pegan ritual that somehow got combined with christian lore. There's some mound in englad its supposidly buried in.

[Ratty]

yea, i know the holy grail as being the cup he drank from during the last supper.

[Xemem]

well if so (decendents of christ and all that), then there is a significant bearing on it....okay you will get the idea if you read the bible enough that the more holy some one is the less...conected, they are to "worldly things". for instance it says in the bible "for the wages of sin is death, all have sined" or something like that and I couldnt say the exact passage youll find it in(im rusty on biblical trivia). well sin is in the greek and taken back to the hewbrew, not neccessarily an evil deed. it simpley means to miss the mark, to ....fall short of the glory of god...and that the glory of god is perfection. to be sinful, and a siner in its most litteral sence is to be imperfect by nature.

I once had it explained to me that heaven is like a labrotory...ya havta' be clean to enter. and that god cant let any thing unclean enter or it is a contagent. the idea of christ dying on the cross was not only the sacrifice of a perfect being to make up for the short commings of man, and that no mater how many rams they killed, they couldnt make one sacrifice for them selves that would make up for all the stuff they did...it was also basicaly suppposed to be jesus acting as a filter....a wash station.

so if he were impure...not perfect that is...if he curcame to lust, then that means deals off it doesnt work and the 2000 year religuos investment is a waste. of corse you could also say since good said "be fruitfull and multiply" that it is ordain and condoned. of course no bible based religous leaderships want they're to even be an argument. they want ppl to basicaly be able to say that in theory the concept works, and that there are no real flaws with the idea if it is correct.

jesus is supposed to be perfect, and like I said earlier, the holiest people in the bible were less wordly...you will notice that the more "riteous" people were in the bible the longer they lived. this is another side of being holy...abstenence.

also he had to die on the cross for the idea to work. him having a kid is only half of the idea. the other half of that concept is that he lived through the crucifiction, escaped, and raised his kids....so do the math on that one...possibely imperfect and didnt die but faked it? if there was proof of this, and not just circumstantial evidences, it would very well ruin the western monotheism. and the catholic church wouldnt let that happen. thus finding evidence would be very difficult.

have you ever seen all the nice stuff in a big catholic church? that doesnt come from people saying "well this gives me something to do on sunday so i guess I should put a lil money in the pot"(well actualy I was one of those for a while lol...before i reelized that I was just doing it to please muh parents and not becuase i believed in it). you know how many buisnesses they're are that sell crucifixes and jesus aperal....its not just religion, its big buisness with a 2000 year investment, I dont caqre how holy you are a company thats been serving people since for two mellenia, hires a hit man in a heart beat to protect they're asres lol!

now the templars are long gone, and the priory of sion/zion disbanded in the early 1800's(secret societies rumored to being devoted as they're main goal to protecting the secret....supposing there is one) but when you watch your back for that long taking out any thing that aposses you, erasing all evidence you can get your hands on, and putting out miss information, you can bet that all they're is left are little known theories, and conjecture.

besides...do you really want to shatter one of the worlds leading religions? taking the faith and hope of millions away? telling 100's of thousands of people that they're life goal is all wrong? let sleeping dogs lie lol. Sure a few hundred thousand have died for it, or killed protecting it. but is it really all that bad? .... I wouldnt go looking much harder then that at this... you wanna go up to some one and say "guess wat! everything you believe is worng! hah! heres the proof in the pudding!"

I know...next! lets put santa's head on a pike, and hang it from the capital building lmao!

also....

Another theory is that the Holy Grail is actually a pegan ritual that somehow got combined with christian lore. There's some mound in englad its supposidly buried in.

Have you ever heard the term "Yule time" used around christamas....well the church took it from us christams used to be Yule, the pagan/ neo-pagan/wiccan new year. it actual is like mothers day in the way that it alternates days slightly each year. But it is the Winter soltice, wich basicaly means the time when the earth is farthest from the sun(the exact midlle of winter after wich it only gets warmer) all pagan hollidays, sabbats ect. either land on the "astronaomicaly correct" beggining/end, or middle of a season....zeniths, or solctices....very orderly...you could set your watch by pagan hollidays.

thing is the church has always had a habbit of "giving em' they're special days....but our way". if ever christian/catholic and paganistic religious beliefs combine it wasnt our choice lol. the cup in wiccan (not nessarily pagan) ritual is symbolic it is true...but I am aware of no parts of my craft being conected with monotheistic views(infact they prolly took it from us long before we got a chance to write it down lol, and later said "yes our people tell the same story" lol).