[NeoDraven]

Im sorry but I dont follow anyone, me and the original Esthars dont like following a bunch of young pups, like you Final F8 dumb moron almost pissed himself today after he read that someone wants to try and steal my idea of Esthar Garden (or as you call it sub-garden) it all started a long long time ago when I first joined SeeD with a llot of my friends and we asked Cspace can we create a garden named Esthar Elite Guard he said sure so,.... im giving you a notice non of the Esthar Elite Guards will reckognize this.. Leader *does bunny ears symbol with fingers* of this new *does bunny figners symbol again* garden, for crying out loud even thehate when over at my place the other night pretty much said to me just to excommunicate anyone who rips off the name from the old Garden.... cause old or not Esthar Elite Guard is not going extinct and will be stated as a main garden for future Esthar Elite Guards.... even if I have to get into a knife fight with you Final F8, the Esthar Elite Guard is not obselete, so before making asumptions, dont try to think I will be listening to anyone from Esthar (fake) Garden Leader(Fake leader)

[Traver]

Well, well, someone seriously needs to chill out. Your garden is obsolete, like it or not. You don't run this place, and you really shouldn't expect anyone to listen to you with the vocabulary you're choosing. Besides, I don't even think Final is the headmaster here anymore. Keep doing what you're doing now and say hello to a suspension.

And as for the name: Cspace chose the name, so you'll have to "excommunicate" him instead of Final.

This post has been edited by Traver: 21 July 2005 - 12:20 PM

[Goto]

Sorry, but Trav is right.

Esthar Garden is not the Esthar Elite Guards. Nobody 'stole' your name, you took a name from Final Fantasy VIII and when Cspace was reforming the gardens he named all of them from there. He created SeeD, so he chose to name the Gardens after Balamb, Trabia, Galbadia, Esthar and Centra.

You may be upset, but that doesn't excuse threatening members who have done nothing whatsoever to you. Your commander position was given to you by Cspace a long time ago under the old system. Those gardens then became sub-gardens, within three larger gardens which were led as a whole by a 'Headmaster'. Eventually due to massive inactiveness and nobody bothering with it anymore, the entire system was scrapped and the current one was put into place. Nobody minded, it gave Gardens a small chance at actually being used. If you had've read into the changes rather than just threatening Final for his 'mutiny' as you put it via PM, I think you would have known that.

As I pointed out, Headmasters are elected. If you really care that much about leading Esthar, when a new headmaster is being elected you could try to get voted in by its members. However if you do plan on trying to get voted Headmaster I suggest you change your attitude a bit. Final is a personal friend of many people here and a very respected member, and nobody should have to be flamed, especially over a misunderstanding like this.

[NeoDraven]

yeah but still dont, mix us Elite Guards up with Esthar Garden where our own faction and we follow only our true loyalties to Nova and Cspace okay. (trying not to sound rude), but all this voting, and elections it doesnt seem like a game anymore keep all this political stuff outside the guild and the game were ment to have fun.

[Traver]

You're contradicting yourself. I've we're meant to have fun, then why are you getting all worked up about this? Noone's mixing "you" Elite Guards with this new garden, even though I have no idea who you're talking about. If you follow Cspace, then settle down and accept the new garden system, he implemented it.

[NeoDraven]

Yes but we just would like to be noticed as a completely different group and not affiliated with that garden only the Esthar Elite Guards (gardenZ) shall affiliate with themselves.
Cause some of my friends seem to think that Esthar Garden is Esthar Eltie Guard (just a name change) just wanting to clear that out the Elite Guard is still alive and will still be doing recruiting on runescape.

[Traver]

Yes but we just would like to be noticed as a completely different group and not affiliated with that garden only the Esthar Elite Guards (gardenZ) shall affiliate with themselves.
Cause some of my friends seem to think that Esthar Garden is Esthar Eltie Guard (just a name change) just wanting to clear that out the Elite Guard is still alive and will still be doing recruiting on runescape.

Then why on Earth are you bashing Final if all you want is to have people notice you as a different group? Noone even noticed you in the first place. Frankly, I don't see what your group has to do with SeeD, you clearly don't want to be involved with our activities, nor do you want to follow the system or the guidelines we have here.

It's not fair on Final that you trashtalk just because some people from your group are misinformed enough to think that Esthar Garden has anything to do with your group.

[Bodom]

Im the headmaster now not final.. and ill be a better one after saturday/sunday when my home net is fixed

Still, why are yous o bothered about it, and how can your friends think its the same thing? What friends exactly.

This post has been edited by Dave: 21 July 2005 - 06:16 PM

[Kaezion]

isn't it sad that a bunch of you are debating over leadership of a rarely used part of an Internet forum?

[Kaezion]

maybe, but your English could be better.
by the way, that was rhetorical.

[Red Sentinel]

totally owned!!!! hahahahaha!!!!!!!





on another note, who's nova?

[alkore]

Kaezion if you think its sad you dont have to read it of course.

[Kaezion]

i thought Danes spoke German. oh well, i guess i learn something new everyday? sorry, it's not an area many people -me included- bother to study.

alkore, you have a point. i am all the more sadder in trying to tell people how sad they are. i'll not bother.

[Final F8]

even if I have to get into a knife fight with you Final F8

Firstly, are you threatening me? That's a fine way to get yourself banned.
Secondly, I don't care how long you've been a member of SeeD. You can't come back after being away for years and expect to get respect from everyone, as well as put a bunch of people down cuz they're "young pups".
Your garden is dead, get over it. If it's not obsolete, why has it's forum, as well as all the other sub-gardens, been archived? Because the whole Garden System has been revised, that's why. ew Garden's were created and their leaders were voted by the members of SeeD.
I told you in PM the other day that I resigned my leadership position to Echliurn, so why you're still having a go at me I don't understand.

Im sorry but the property and promises made too me years ago about my garden, pertaining changes from sub-tgarden to primary garden even if esthar elite guard becomes sub-garden its merger to the main still means im the head man at the head of things so it'd be best, to tell himbefore he does any irrational things to check with me first.

There is a reason why Esthar Elite Guard Garden become so good and its cause of my training and recruiting skills lol.

Cya on rs.

Cspace wouldn't have promised you that cuz he had no idea he was going to be revamping the Garden system.

It doesn't matter what you think, ask anyone here. I was a great leader of Esthar, and now, as soon as Echliurn gets his internet connection back, he will be too.

Hey, I'm sure if you want to lead so badly, maybe we could have another election? Or would you like to DM either Echliurn or me for the position?

Sorry that you're mad cuz no one respects you anymore.

[Bodom]

Im up for a dm :$?