[Red Sentinel]

Well, I believe in God. I guess you could say the Holy Ghost is an... altered concept of God, from what I've heard, but I can't say I believe in it. And Jesus... sure, I can believe that there was once a guy named Jesus and that he led religious whatsijibsters and whatever... But I don't believe that he was God's son. That I'll say.

there's just a bigger force, that's my words

[?FaLLeN?]

i posted holy ghost because it just poped up in my head.

[CongressJon]

Well, would you prefer if I changed the "holy ghost" part to God?

[?FaLLeN?]

yea ty

[CongressJon]

Done. Fixed a tad of your spelling and grammer as well, if you don't mind.

[?FaLLeN?]

thanks my grammer and stuff is because i am very lazy today.

[Red Sentinel]

there's something called spell check here
btw, this is really a discussion, so can anyone move this to debate forum?

[CongressJon]

If you ask me, it's all right where it is. We've said it time after time, if it's not necessary, don't. If a joke was in the debate forum, or a debate in the joke forum, I'd move it. But CZ is a pretty broad-spectrum forum. Besides, methinks it'll get more views here.

[Red Sentinel]

yeah, you're prolly right about the viewings

[Aaron]

As a Christian, I believe in the Trinity (God, Jesus, Holy Spirit). As I read through this topic, I noticed that there is an argument as to what the Holy Spirit is and what it's function is. Here is some information that I found concerning the Holy Spirit.

In mainstream Christianity, the Holy Spirit is one person of the Trinity, co-equal with the Father and the Son (Jesus).

Christians believe it is the Holy Spirit who leads people to faith in Jesus and the one who gives them the ability to lead a Christian life. The Spirit dwells inside every true Christian, each one's body being His temple (First Epistle to the Corinthians 3:16). He is depicted as a 'Counsellor' or 'Helper' (paraclete in Greek), guiding them in the way of the truth. The 'Fruit of the Spirit' (i.e. the result of His work) is "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control" (Galatians 5:22). The Spirit is also believed to give gifts (i.e. abilities) to Christians. These include the charismatic gifts such as prophecy, tongues, healing, and knowledge. (Some Christians, whose view is known as cessationism, believe these gifts were given only in New Testament times.) Christians agree almost universally that certain more mundane "spiritual gifts" are still in effect today, including the gifts of ministry, teaching, giving, leadership, and mercy (see, e.g. Romans 12:6-8).

[?FaLLeN?]

i am christian and i do not believe in trinity i only believe in god

[Red Sentinel]

just keep this in mind people, this has evolved to flamefests before.... dont let it do it again >_<

[Aaron]

And Jesus... sure, I can believe that there was once a guy named Jesus and that he led religious whatsijibsters and whatever... But I don't believe that he was God's son. That I'll say.

Jews believe that a descendant of King David will one day appear to restore the Kingdom of Israel. Jews refer to this person as a moshiach, translated as messiah in English and christos in Greek. The Hebrew word 'moshiach' (messiah) means 'anointed one,' and refers to a mortal human being. The moshiach is held to be a human being who will be a descendant of King David, and who will usher in a messianic era of peace and prosperity for Israel and all the nations of the world. The traditional Jewish understanding of the messiah is fully human, born of human parents, without any supernatural element, and is best elucidated by Maimonides (Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon), in his commentary on the Talmud. The messiah is expected to have a relationship with God similar to that of the prophets of the Tanakh. In brief, he holds that the job description, as such, is this:

All of the people Israel will come back to Torah; The people of Israel with be gathered back to the land of Israel; The Temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt; Israel will live among the nations as an equal, and will be strong enough to defend herself; Eventually, war, hatred and famine will end, and an era of peace and prosperity will come upon the Earth.

Christians hold Jesus to be the messiah foretold in the Hebrew Bible. He is believed to be the son of God in a literal sense, fully human, and simultaneously divine, fully God. In this view, Jesus the messiah is the son of God who offers salvation to all humans. The liberation and peace brought by the messiah, in Christian terms, is primarily a spiritual peace and liberation; any political liberation is either seen as secondary or is not considered an issue at all.

Christian readings of the Hebrew Bible find hundreds of references to Jesus. This takes the form in some cases of specific prophesy, but in most cases of foreshadowing by types or forerunners. Extreme readings maintain that almost every passage was about not only the topic of the chapter as such, but is also about the coming of Jesus, if only read properly. In this Christian view, the Old Testament Biblical subtext about the coming of Jesus have become more apparent over time.

[asyluman]

GRAMMAR HAS AN "A" IN IT!

I believe that there's not a guy up there snapping his fingersa, or an omnipotent entity. I just think there's a force that drives reality and allows things to "be." I'd say "God" is reality.

Before the middle ages, many pagan religions were out of control. Wiccanism, Greek/Roman, Norse, to name a few. The church added to and solidified the New Testament and brought back the Torah (Old Testament). United under Monotheism, lessfeuds and wars broke out. It was good for a while, but the rift between Judaism and Christianity grew wider and wider, and Jews and pagans were being killed. Religion is an invention of the church to make people obey. Why do ytou think the priests were the highest class in almost all societies?

[Aaron]

just keep this in mind people, this has evolved to flamefests before.... dont let it do it again >_<

Yes, that is definately an understandable fear. I love to discuss religion, and am always open to hear other's views and contrast them with my own. I'll participate in this discussion and dig up facts, but I'm not here to cause a flame war.