[frisco sf]

Sorry but I cant i mean I can try but you were the 1 who was really good at it. All I m is some 1 who is loyal to UFF. Thats pretty much all I have to show for my self. But your asking me to be a clan advocate, and i hardly know where to begin. So Dokimos i need your help , or anybody who would like to give me some advice. thank u for your time. [QUOTE] I RATHER DIE A MAN THEN LIVE TO BE A COWARD.

[sashstar]

the best advocates in history have been the ones loyal to their cause.....being loyal to your clan is the same as being loyal to your cause...

i beleive that as long as your loyalty allows you to speak from the heart i beleive that someone as loyal as yourself would make a fine advocate

your desision tho

[philmygroin]

personally frisco i think you'd be great for the job, your loyal to uff, you listen, your prepared to learn, and frankly i think you'd be great for the job because i want the animosity between our two clans worked out and i can't think of anyone better to do that.

[dokimos0rg]

Yes, Frisco, you are loyal, unlike Philmygroin who has been posting against us in the Undead Anzacs forum...

http://www.freewebs.com/undeadanzacs/

Philmygroin is clan general of a clan that is enemy to UFF, hence also an enemy of SeeD. What is he doing posting in this forum?

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I am all for working out the animosity. I never sought for animosity. Undead Anzacs raised the flag of war on us instead of peacefully working out difficulties while in UFF Clan.

I have already stated my apology to Phil about UFFs who begged him to make drawings of his characters, of which he offered originally to do anyway. This is the original point of contention he raised against UFF.

If it was for that Kilobite0 is his friend as he thinks, then he should have sought to resolve matters more peacefully to begin with.

Kilobite0's objection was that he was allegedly attacked by another UFF in the wilderness on our big PK trip. With so many new clanmembers in UFF, I don't know how I could have prevented it. Even as I have sought to resolve such matters, I got more hatred and trouble from him.

* * *

So what more do they want??? Yes, I know what they want, petty Undead Anzacs revenge! That is why Phil is still posting on this forum and seeking to manipulate our internal affairs for a clan advocate.

He can't take us on in battle, so now more deviant actions are what he is up to. Infiltrate, make division, and lead away dissodents. This has been their methods which they to this minute have not ceased from.

* * *

Our UFF clan advocate will be Cspace in this matter as PhilMyGroin has already thrown down the gauntlet for war against us. Such matters belong to Cspace as it is up to him regarding treaties.

* * *

If Philmygroin wants to work out the animosity, then he should resign from the Undead Anzacs whose sole purpose is to war against the UFF. As long as UA exists, there heritage against us remains.

Since UA has secret members spying in our clan, how could we trust that he would have really resigned even if he had. Presently Philmygroin is in full control of UA as Kilobite0 had been hacked.

The creation of Undead Anzacs Clan is the point of animosity for us in UFF. This, together with the revolting practice of invasion of our clan forums by UAs and the spy agent traitors they send in amongst us.

None of these practices are condoned by UFF.

Peace will begin when Undead Anzacs is shut down forever. If they still want to be in a seperate clan, they will need to do it without having war on UFF as their basis and heritage. Formal apologies are in order from them.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 23 November 2005 - 07:14 PM

[JohnR49]

frisco sf ..

I offer my support
just name it .. and I will give it a try

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Dokimos0rg ------- uuummmmm ...

There is an obligation in this forum ..

to stay ON TOPIC ... hello ??

[dokimos0rg]

frisco sf ..

I offer my support
just name it .. and I will give it a try

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Dokimos0rg ------- uuummmmm ...

There is an obligation in this forum ..

to stay ON TOPIC ... hello ??

I am always on topic. Even before I editted my post, clan advocacy is dealing directly on the topic of which I addressed regarding UA and Philmygroin.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 23 November 2005 - 07:09 PM

[philmygroin]

dokimos i will not pull out of clan i spent some time putting together, but i see where your going, i've pulled out all uff spies from uff or seed i can't remember what name your meant to be, but their gone i've made the first move to ending this crap, it's your turn now. im putting reforms in u.a dokimos like taking our members on nature walks and hiking, joking i'm putting reform's in such as building trade agrements with other clans, no they not allies just ppl we trade with, i steerin the ppl of u.a away from war and trying to turn their interests into something else like pk trips, skill training, parties yea we have parties etc.

This post has been edited by philmygroin: 23 November 2005 - 10:12 PM

[dokimos0rg]

If you have indeed stopped the Undead Anzacs practice of sending spies into other clans, that would be a start, yet the Undead Anzacs still shouts a war of revenge against UFF Clan. Is this reform?

Your nature walks don't stop your posting a revenge against UFF on the UA website. This is double-talk you are giving.

Again, Cspace will assign a "clan advocate" should he choose to do so.

* * *

You said...
i've made the first move to ending this crap, it's your turn now.

Your so-called "making the first move" is completely invisible. Since you've lied before how can I know you are telling the truth now?

I have publicly stated that UFF was not to multiclan before we were with SeeD. Sending spies into other clans would be esteemed as a departure from UFF Clan values. I have never advocated sending spies into other clans or abusing forums as you and your so-called clan does.

Your posts on SeeD forum still represent an attempt to recruit from us.

* * *

You have attracted a team for the expressed purpose of warring against UFF. Is this changing now? I still see no change.

Your so called reforms have not dropped the basic premise of a war of "revenge" against UFF.

You said...
i've made the first move to ending this crap, it's your turn now.

Let me ask you, Philmygroin, what is it you seek? What is it my turn to do? You want me to just let you just make friends with UFFs so you can deceive more to join you to war against us???

* * *

The Undead Anzacs have started a unilateral war against UFF. We have no move to make except to respond honorably against your own evil ways.

* * *

No terms of peace or negotiation have ever been offered by your "clan". What you do now still does not remove the posted war you have placed against UFF. You are still at war with UFF Clan officially and publicly.

You want UFF to make peace with you while you continue to seek to recruit from us and wage war?

Undead Anzacs started on the basis of warring against United Freedom Fighters. You use the methods of deceit and trickery, believing your ends justifies your means.

You attracted a team based on that and still seek to recruit our members from us, hence your reason for posting on the SeeD Forum.

The only other clans who will respect your Undead Anzacs are dishonorable ones or ones who are quite ignorant.

* * *

Although I have apologized already on behalf of UFF for what wrong was done, you all still seek revenge. Is this reform? Neither you nor others among you are apologizing to us.

You said...
dokimos i will not pull out of clan i spent some time putting together

Right, you spent too much time and effort to gather those who dislike UFF and have excited them against UFF. Now you are too proud of your evil work to give it up.

This is bogus, Philmygroin. Make serious reform. End the war.
We recognized you resigning honorably from UFF and look what you have done!
You still betray your friends. While talking peace you are still backstabbing us.

I do not recognize Undead Anzacs as a clan. It is not a family. It is a collection of hateful people who betray their friends and encourage the same. UFF will esteem you all as individuals. Your so-called clan is not a clan at all.

You are a general of deceit. You have given a false show of good will and intentions with no proof.

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If you are smart, Philmygroin, the best thing you can do is to dissolve this UA of yours and start over again a new clan on the right foundations. Keeping such a clan as UA shows you as an overlording egotist who will not give up his self-centered attitudes. It still is a fellowship that is founded in hate.

Get Frodo to throw this "ring of power" of yours into Mount Doom if you find it too "precious" for you to do yourself.

The longer you have this "clan" of yours, the greater disrespect you earn from others. Soon your clanmembers will discover you for what you truly are, a friend betrayer, and they too will betray you.

Change your ways, Phil, truly change them most seriously, before it is too late for you. You are only burying yourself in your own evil.

* * *

I will change my tone when you change for real about yours. End the war now. Denounce and renounce this abomination called "Undead Anzacs" and start over.

The whole existance of the United Freedom Fighters Movement is based on overthrowing tyrants just like you. Don't expect I will ever give that up. Either stop the ways of tyranny or face my sword Narsil.

I urge you, therefore, to be zealous and repent.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 23 November 2005 - 11:44 PM

[philmygroin]

i have stopped the spies and not one of my men will be on your home world without a reason, also u.a members are in no way allowed to confront or attack uff or seed members in the wild. you ask that i dissolve u.a while im an in charge now i have no right to do so. you say that we are still at war with you how? i have put in place all measures i can think of for our members to stay away from you and your members until i can reslove this. you say we still shout revenge i know this slogan is still on the site, but i do not run our site only kilobite can change that.


so you want to talk about peace terms and agreements ok. set your terms dokimos, but i want your clans approval on the terms. i believe there can still be many great things we can do together.

you say our first move is invisble but aren't spies meant to be invisible? i have pulled them out, on my word i have done this, you'll still probably call me a lair but i am trying you need to do more then refute everything i say, im stretching out my hand dokimos
shack it.

i have repented on our former ways i will lead our clan to glory, i'm not a tyrant dokimos all our members have a say in everything we do. i'm merely a figure head so to speak.

[dokimos0rg]

Philmygroin,

You want our terms of peace? We are not at war with you! You declared war on UFF and are waging it! You are only getting back responses to what you chose to do yourselves.

So, what kind of backwards nonsence are you talking about, Phil? We didn't start this, you did. We aren't continuing it, you are.

The Undead Anzacs website still reads...

We Rebelled from Their rules and obligations Of them due to other U.F.F members being very Ignorant to us, we now though have put our past beside and have taken a new lead in life. They have taken to believe and assume that we hav no clan or allies and that im by myself in support, Yet do they no whats going on. There is one thing we want to do.

To get revenge on them.

We do realize that there were and are still many people in that clan that helped us but we need to set that aside and fight back for all the things done to us.

So, Phil, if you want peace, why are you still at war with us?

* * *

You write us as if there is something that we of UFF or SeeD need to back down from. There is nothing. Regarding you, Philmygroin, you are still yet listed on UFF old members list as "Resigned Courteously" which you do not even deserve to be listed as.

It is you that has declared this unilateral war against us, when we were friendly and at peace with you, having appreciated you when you were amongst us, and trusted you as a friend. You are the one who needs to set things right, not us.

If you want peace, you need to make it yourselves as individuals in UA.
You must also change the UA Website. The whole so-called clan of UA is an insult to UFF, you should be ashamed to align yourself with Kilobite0's own private war on us. If you are his friend, you'll talk sence enough to him about it to stop.

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Excuse me, Phil, but where on UFF did you see us declare UA as a clan enemy. No, we don't even recognize you as a clan, therefore, we are not at war with your alleged clan.

Please pardon me if we don't receive you with open arms to welcome you. You should not be so ignorant to understand why we haven't been so.

If you want peace, it has always been there for you. All you need to do is to make it yourselves. You are the one at war with us. The only changes that need to be made are on your end, not ours.

* * *

So stop the double-talk. Give up the alterior motives. Stop the war yourself. Stop seeking to recruit from UFF and SeeD. Give it up, Phil! You talk peace but you still show war.

You have much apologizing to do for betraying the clan you were once loyal to, namely the clan of United Freedom Fighters. You have offended us all and are attempting to sweep it under the rug pretending you didn't do this.

The UA website testifies that you are still waging war against UFF. But yet, still it is going to have to be more than your words here in this forum which you don't belong in as a clan enemy. It is going to take more than just a change on your website, it is going to have to be demonstrated in actions, actions that build us up, not charmingly seek to tear us down.

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Simply put, Philmygroin, I don't believe you to be sincere. If you are sincere then help UFF instead of seeking petty revenge. We have been friends with you while you turned on us.

You can start with an apology, which even as yet, you have not made. The reason you haven't done this is because you are not willing to be sorry.

No, Phil, you are now out to make a new strategy of war against UFF since you know now that you cannot fight us without SeeD fighting you. Now you are sharpening up a new strategy against us.

* * *

Your actions show you on the warpath while using words to deceive. Invading our forum has been standard UA strategy. You have not changed yet, even while now we are at SeeD. You disrespect SeeD also in this.

Make real changes and perhaps you might be believed. As yet, you have not proven you have changed. Trust must always be earned.

As for SeeD's approval of terms, that is up to Cspace and forum admins. They will likely wish to check with us first, though. As for now, according to SeeD's own present terms, those who are in opposing clans don't belong in this forum.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 24 November 2005 - 06:51 AM

[philmygroin]

god havent you read what i said in like the last 3 posts, kilobite runs the site only he can change and is on vaction or some crap i can't get hold of him. I APOLOGISE to those i've wronged and offended, but the u.a will stand but our values will change "revenge" is something i care nothing for, ive taking care of those who betrayed me on those pk trips, and i willing to do the drawing but you know you have to give me time ppl im pulling all nighters to fill my quota (notice im still doing it free). what ever you read on U.A website is no way related to uff, whether its our new officers (aka wilderness leader)
or the new regiments im making they are in no way against uff im making them to keep our members involved and interested, not one of my men will in anyway attack or confront any uff or seed members. as some as i can locate kilobite the changes will be made.

you want actions dokimos tell me what damn actions you want and ill do my best to accomodate you, and dont ask for me to tear down U.A cause that wont, would you tear down UFF if i asked you? no exactly im putting time and effort in my clan and i will not see it fall.

also dokimos do we have to get into an argument about everything? you call me a lair and all that if you want i dont care, but can you cut back on the speechs a bit? i mean they go for ages

This post has been edited by philmygroin: 24 November 2005 - 11:52 AM

[dokimos0rg]

Philmygroin,

I have already mentioned to you what you need to do and you don't want to listen to it.

This is all up to you, not up to me. You know what you need to do.

You started a clan of enemies against UFF. As long as you perpetuate it, the situation remains unchanged because you sustain it.

I don't have to lift a finger about it. So long as you have this UA posting against UFF you will be a magnet for getting attacked. It has nothing to do with me.

[sashstar]

wow......long posts.....just thought id break this up for a minute to tell you its gonna be a bit hard for both clans if you two are fighting on every thread......i mean really theres gotta be some more diplomatic way to work things out...

and not to pick sides or anything but this is becoming quite 1-sided which is really not fair in diplomatic,community or even casual situations.

the power to remember who you are no matter who your talking to is a powerfull one

[philmygroin]

yea these posts between me and dokimos go for ages huh, this situation is getting more and more dragged out.

[dokimos0rg]

Philmygroin,

I am not dragging this out. You left UFF Clan, started your own clan, waged war on UFF clan, posted in our new united clan's forum, and start raising matters all over again.

If you want to stop dragging this out, get out and stay out since you left us. Stop making trouble.

But since you won't stop but you just seek to find new inventive ways to act deviant and as a troublemaker, we will recognize you for what you are, namely, a false friend and an enemy to UFF and to SeeD.

* * *

If you want peace, stop posting the war on us in this forum where you don't belong. Also, you must stop posting a war against us on your Undead Anzacs site.

It is all your choice, not ours.