[dokimos0rg]

Rebel876 e-mailed me in the SeeD Forum the following...

look i admit i didnt agree with all of the values but the biggest value i did. to FIGHT for freedom. have u heard of the fraze "freedom isnt free"? we didnt fight for freedom of rs we merly kept merging and merging. lots of ppl have told that merging would tear the clan apart. wen we merged with seed that was it. uff became seed and thats y 100 members of uff quit. i would say that i want to crush u and the rest of uff but we r at peace now. i dont wage war, i fight in war. ppl in uff cudnt just dance around asking ppl to join a clan that never fights. u have 2 somtines take things by force. im all for peace and im all for a war unless if it is pointless. the uda-uff war was a vengence war which i had a bit of vengence in me but i wasnt completely taken over by it, but that dam war was pointless and now its over. hopefully l8r on uff n uda will becmone allies.

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rebel876

Yes, I have heard the phrase "Freedom isn't free" it is continued by saying, "Someone has to pay for it". Christ paid with his own blood for our freedom from sin to give us the freedom and free gift of eternal life without acting as a Judas Iscariot.

For whose freedom did you defend when you went into spy inside of Undead Anzacs, if indeed that was you were doing? Honestly, what you did was not for freedom at all. You have misled yourself by having fun your own way.

Once you step into justifying evil methods by good purposes with "The ends justifies the means" you immediately step into the methods and realm of the evil overlords.

You multiclanned in an enemy clan. You left the UFF and its values by doing so. I did tell you this but you didn't want to listen about it. You acted as a free agent, not as a UFF.

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Even for as much as I disliked the entire purpose and foundation of the Undead Anzacs, I never condoned sending spies in to pose as them as false brethren. That is what UDA does, not UFF. I do not even invade the UDA Forum even though Kilobite0 has been encouraging others to personally insult me.

UDA had the freedom to have their own rights in freedom even though they trampled on the rights of others with their methods.

For all I knew, you may have been really an agent working for UDA as you were using their methods, not ours. I knew I would be a fool to condone such actions of yours, therefore, I did not.

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No, Rebel876, your actions are not justified because you only meant well. You only gained for yourself dishonor and mistrust from everyone. You placed yourself in the middle of a conflict between brethren to make matters worse.

The best way you can come clean about this, Rebel876, is to confess all you had done, not justifying yourself, and repenting of your actions.

If you defend what you did, you maintain a stance unaccepted by United Freedom Fighters.

[dokimos0rg]

Let me further comment that Cspace, who is lead forum admin of SeeD, and I have discussed this topic in detail and we are in full agreement.

For whatever reasons, as UFFs and SeeDs, we do NOT take membership in other clans that are enemies to UFF and/or to SeeD Clan.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 29 November 2005 - 07:55 PM

[dokimos0rg]

Rebel876 second e-mail to reply to my message back to him...

me not being trusted i fully understand. but dishonorable, no. i havent shown my full true purpose on rs. i have learned from my frend (cheezbibble2) to b helpful to others. he gave me his full rune. i have helped others alot in the wilderness. i am a great war leader me and my frends on rs kno i am 2. i give food to ppl who r low in health. i give it to them for free anf i give them as much as they need. u call me dishonorable and u dont even kno one half of me. i even gave a rune skimmy away even tho im poor, and im going to give away another rune skimmy to my fellow clanmates. i do admit i do lie sometimes but not in big things, i have betrade ppl b4, but i barely do it. i dont want to fight alone but fight with atleast 1 frend by my side. i have lost 1mil under the name of uff (5 full runes not including battle axes). i am not dishonorable. If i really wanted to kill u or some other person i would tell my expert pker frend his high hit is 23 (13002313). but i wont, if the clan is at peace i am 2. ok lets just call a truce between u and me k? im tired of arguing, im tired of fighting an enemy that uses its words to do battle. peace between u & me?

Rebel876,

The old UFF motto is "You are what you do".
What you did was dishonorable and therefore this is what you are.
Don't expect me to praise your behavior up to present.

Your behaving as a false clanmember to Undead Anzacs is not esteemed as philanthropy. Acts of charity you do now appear tainted with false motives.

Entirely up to you if you want peace and to stop being an enemy using words.

I never picked an argument with you. You were the one who started and continued the posts against UFF and myself. This also is you acting as a false clanmember of UFF, for whatever reasons you justified doing so.

Playing both sides of the fence to provoke further conflict between UFF and UDA was serving no one but yourself, Rebel876.

I am neither fooled by your false presentation of your motives nor by your actions. They speak for themselves.

I don't care if you were doing this supposedly to "defend freedom". I neither liked your bashes on UFF nor on me. I don't perceive you as having helped UFF. You sided with UFF enemies against UFF values and against my warnings.

You posted that you thought me a poor leader. Well, I am a good enough leader not to encourage the tactics you used and wise enough to tell you so.

Yes, it would be good to see the better side of you, Rebel876. You certainly have every opportunity to show yourself worthy.

Again, if you want to call a truce, then act accordingly. You are what you do. I am not the antagonist here but also I am not known for going easy on betrayers to UFF. I am a United Freedom Fighter and a member of SeeD.

-dokimos0rg

[dokimos0rg]

If there are any other UFFs are playing both sides of the fence to take membership in an enemy clan for whatever reason, please do know that we do not condone such actions here.

Neither do we approve of such actions merely disavowing knowledge of them. Neither yet do we hope our clan members will do such actions without our knowledge.

I hope everybody is clear on this. We are the United Freedom Fighters of Runescape. We don't use the methods of the undead to creep up on others pretending to be alive with them.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 29 November 2005 - 09:07 PM

[philmygroin]

your no the oly one hearing stuff about rebel, alot of my people dont trust and want him gone from the clan, but like i stated before i believe there is some good him and i believe he'll change and do the right thing, once again sorry if rebel has caused you or any clan member grief,

[dokimos0rg]

Philmygroin,

The methods of Rebel876 have been in the ways of Undead Anzacs, they do not represent at all the values of United Freedom Fighters nor SeeD.

So why don't you reconfirm Rebel876 into UDA if you like him so much? UDA still has the unbroken tradition of collecting those who make trouble for UFF and he fits right in, doesn't he?

Unless it is that you are really serious about making peace with UFF Clan.

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Phil, you apologize for Rebel876? You make it sound like he was a UDA agent after all. Wouldn't surprise me.

Rebel876 can change his ways, yes. Are you really changing yours, Phil? I'm left wondering again.


Rebel answers about his own ways...

im not a complete betrayor, im not a betrayer to my felow clanmates, i was just trying to help. *sigh* but wats done is done. truce

Right, you are not a complete betrayer because you have been recognized and stopped ahead of time.

When your cover was blown, did you show loyalty to UFF? NO! You ran right into the party lines of Undead Anzacs.

Ah, but they were changing from their stance against UFF and you were seeking to have them angry with UFF again!

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You have been publicly critical to both UFF clanmembers, the UFF Movement and to SeeD.

We don't need this kind of help from you, Rebel876. Thank you very much.

Your actions are much like those of PecsOfSteel, who also likes to hobby in betrayal.

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Simply put, Rebel876, your testimony is not credible, except I do agree with you that you are not a "complete" betrayer.

Just stop the trouble, Rebel876. Why do you keep e-mailing me this. I am not interested in your words but your actions.

I am sick of your denouncements of the UFF clan while you claim you are loyal to us. Your actions lately have not been loyal at all to UFF in any way.

Change your ways. I cannot change them for you.