[Cspace]

It would be great if you could answer some (or all) of these questions, and if you feel like it, provide more constructive feedback beyond the questions themselves. The only way we can provide more of what you enjoy in the community is if we know what it is that should be a focus. You as a member are the only one who can give us that.

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- What do you do the most when you come to the site?

- In terms of SeeD, what is it in your opinion? What should be done differently? Do you have any desire to attend in-game events? If so, since SeeD is supposed to be directed by the members, do you have any desire to host or assist in hosting events? Do you think events should be handled otherwise?

- How do you define a guild (clan)?

- Is there any separation between CurvedSpace and SeeD? While there will likely be more conceptual division in the future in terms of services, is there anything at the moment that you consider CurvedSpace as opposed to SeeD?

- Do you think there is enough interaction between new members and old members? Between those who have directly joined SeeD and those who came to SeeD through UFF's merge? Between the moderators and the community? Between the admins and the community? Between SeeD and other communities? Between our members and the search engine bots?

- Are there any particular new features that you think would benefit the site?

- What goals should SeeD pursue?


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Thanks for your feedback

(and negative feedback obviously won't be held against you)

[Goto]

Guess I'll start things off.


I mostly come here for the forums. Following that would be SeeD Chat, but we're still having some problems getting people using that frequently.


I think SeeD is going quite well as a whole. We're in a considerably different place than we were a year or two ago, but a lot of the differences I can see are positives. I'm not actually a particularly large fan of in-game events (although I'd like to see some hosted for the sake of others), personally I'd like to see more events or competitions outside games, perhaps on the forums directly or on Chat. It would be good to promote more activity in-game with events, I'm just saying this from a personal point of view, of what I like. It'd be nice to see some creative ideas for events coming up, too.


I don't define a guild/clan. If others want to use that name in regards to whatever they have built up, I don't see the point in trying to classify everything against their will. From my perspective the difference between a clan and a community is that sense of being part of a unified group of allies rather than a collection of people, and the fact that clans are situated at least partially within a game. (Communities can be, but aren't always)



While at this stage in time the two are integrated to the point of it being difficult to tell the difference between the two, there are a couple of ways in which I tend to split them, although they're not necessarily shared by others. Naturally I consider anything clan-related to be SeeD, such as the faction boards, the other runescape boards, the Gardens, and so on. As for what is Curvedspace, I tend to classify Darkstorm as being a Curvedspace thing for some reason. The same is true of all the extra bits and pieces around the site, I tend to classify them as CurvedSpace since they're not related to the clan in any way. Things such as the Shop, the Arcade, the Blogs, the Curvedspace-hosted games (LOGD and QS), etc.



While there is a bit of a tendency in any clan/community for older members to consider the clan theirs or even to get a bit elitist about it, I don't think it's a problem we suffer greatly from here. It's going to happen sometimes, but I don't see it as a widespread thing. I can see a bit of a rift between the direct SeeDs and the UFF SeeDs, which I'm still hoping will fade with a little bit of time. Just have to let them know that this is their home too, and that they're a part of SeeD. I think the distinction between the two groups has only stayed around this long because most of the time the UFF members stick to their garden board, and it makes it harder for either group to get to know each other.
There have been one or two cases recently where relationships between regular members and mods have been strained, but I think it's important not to dwell on one or two negative situations and ignore all the bad things that didn't happen. Generally we have very few problems of a lack of interaction between mods and members, and if we do it's not so much because of the ranks, but because the mods are older, and the members are fairly new. It'd be nice to make an extra effort to help get people settled in sooner when they join and to make them feel accepted, but that's about all I can say about that one.
I don't have any problems at all with our admin team, two of them can't get on as often as they might like, but the interaction between them and other parts of the clan seems to be there just fine. I do have a few complaints about those nasty bots, but I don't think there's anything you can do about that.


Nothing particularly springs to mind for new features, we already get new stuff to play with on a fairly regular basis.
It'd be good to get people using the Suggestions Board down at the bottom more though.


As for goals, in the short-term I think it's important to try and unify the two groups, the 'SeeD' and 'UFF' people into a single group. As long as we're thinking of ourself as two seperate clans we essentially are, while at the same time causing complications due to the nature of the merge. I think each group has a lot to offer the other, and I'd like to see us all thinking of ourselves as a single and unified clan again.

Long-term goals on the other hand... Well, there's always the World Domination thing, that's going smoothly. Maybe we should try to get some people writing guides/articles/tips/etc. for the games we're a part of. It could really help out with promotion, if people google for help and get sent here and then choose to join the clan while they're at it.

[Raktor]

's Goto... Naughty Goto. No essays....

Now, for me.

- What do you do the most when you come to the site?
Forums, really. Still not a fan of the chat, always getting randomly kicked 'for fun' and stuff, so yeah, forums.

- In terms of SeeD, what is it in your opinion? What should be done differently? Do you have any desire to attend in-game events? If so, since SeeD is supposed to be directed by the members, do you have any desire to host or assist in hosting events? Do you think events should be handled otherwise?
We have kinda, spur of the moment Guild Wars events, but it's just me and Janey playing, since no SeeDs seem to play any games at all, except the 10 who play Runescape. Maybe we should focus more on people gaming, rather than just 'a community'. SeeD Inn is really inactive now, and the only posts are by UFF (You said negativity wouldn't be held against us, so..) UFF N00bs, who ask rediculously stupid questions and can't understand the organisation of a simple forum. I don't plan on hosting events, I've quit Runescape, and we don't have enough Guild Wars players to hold an event.

- How do you define a guild (clan)?
People who actually PLAY the game...

- Is there any separation between CurvedSpace and SeeD? While there will likely be more conceptual division in the future in terms of services, is there anything at the moment that you consider CurvedSpace as opposed to SeeD?
SeeD is just a different word to CurvedSpace, but to me they pretty much mean the same thing, SeeD doesn't really mean the Runescape devision anymore. I don't mind though.

- Do you think there is enough interaction between new members and old members? Between those who have directly joined SeeD and those who came to SeeD through UFF's merge? Between the moderators and the community? Between the admins and the community? Between SeeD and other communities? Between our members and the search engine bots? crazy.gif
I don't think you post enough, personally. You post your random science things, and some sensible posts, but nothing you post really goes along with the latest 'atmosphere' of the boards; the new jokes, events that have happened, etc. I don't feel that you interact with the community enough really, rather just the mods. SeeDs and UFFs haven't got along at all, most of them being immature really, and not understanding half the jokes we make. The moderators do an excellent job, except for something I'll mention in the next section. I think there's plenty of interaction with the Google spider though

- Are there any particular new features that you think would benefit the site?
This is what I was coming to. I think the warning system has had its days, and it just not useful anymore. Only a few moderators use it, and when people get warned, it generally seems to create more conflicts than it solves (i.e. Final & Base). People don't really feel punished by it at all. I think suspensions should be reserved for ongoing things, and just things that NEED to be dealt with. Like spamvertisers and scammers, but I don't think the super mods should be able to suspend for punishment as they sometimes do, just to stop the problem if it's escalated too far.

- What goals should SeeD pursue?
Get people to... play the games?

[Spikeout]

- What do you do the most when you come to the site?

Look for conflicts of fun topic, interesting topics(like your science topics), or Darkstorm maybe discuss a few games.

- In terms of SeeD, what is it in your opinion? What should be done differently? Do you have any desire to attend in-game events? If so, since SeeD is supposed to be directed by the members, do you have any desire to host or assist in hosting events? Do you think events should be handled otherwise?

Be more active in RS


- How do you define a guild (clan)?

A clan is a group of people who play a game together

- Is there any separation between CurvedSpace and SeeD? While there will likely be more conceptual division in the future in terms of services, is there anything at the moment that you consider CurvedSpace as opposed to SeeD?

No, I thought they were both the same

- Do you think there is enough interaction between new members and old members? Between those who have directly joined SeeD and those who came to SeeD through UFF's merge? Between the moderators and the community? Between the admins and the community? Between SeeD and other communities? Between our members and the search engine bots?

No

- Are there any particular new features that you think would benefit the site?

It's hard to say, but you need something to help the new growing Factions

- What goals should SeeD pursue?

Move onto other games and really get into it

[Charlie]

1. I check out the new posts. Reply to any topics i find that catch my attention Sometimes read blogs and go on chat.

2. I have a great interest in attending events if they are different. I enjoy holding events.

3. I define a guild as a community of people who enjoy playing a game(s).

4. Obviously there was in the past. But however now i think there is no difference what so ever. This is currently a community of people chatting and sharing experiences.

5. Many active seeDs welcome new members especially through the merge with UFF. Moderators and admins are friendly and do not use their powern to control the members of the clan. All members treat each other with respect.

6. i'm sure there is some but at this precise moment I can think of none

7. We should remain active and friendly.

[Red Sentinel]

- What do you do the most when you come to the site?

check out new posts, check in data help topics

- In terms of SeeD, what is it in your opinion? What should be done differently? Do you have any desire to attend in-game events? If so, since SeeD is supposed to be directed by the members, do you have any desire to host or assist in hosting events? Do you think events should be handled otherwise?

ingame events (Y)

- How do you define a guild (clan)?

someone who meet up in-game often

- Is there any separation between CurvedSpace and SeeD? While there will likely be more conceptual division in the future in terms of services, is there anything at the moment that you consider CurvedSpace as opposed to SeeD?

i dont see any seperation really, i see them both as one =\

- Do you think there is enough interaction between new members and old members? Between those who have directly joined SeeD and those who came to SeeD through UFF's merge? Between the moderators and the community? Between the admins and the community? Between SeeD and other communities? Between our members and the search engine bots?

i dont see UFF talk to seed regularily, and i think (my oppinion) that some mods think they're up on their high horses, and that can be very annoying. or the very spammy ones.

- Are there any particular new features that you think would benefit the site?

uhh... not really..

- What goals should SeeD pursue?
more activeness..

[Jake]

- What do you do the most when you come to the site?

post around a bit... sometimes arcade but it's been awhile

- In terms of SeeD, what is it in your opinion? What should be done differently? Do you have any desire to attend in-game events? If so, since SeeD is supposed to be directed by the members, do you have any desire to host or assist in hosting events? Do you think events should be handled otherwise?
i would do events but... i cant play games on this thing anymore... nbot since i had to put xp onto it

- How do you define a guild (clan)?
bunch of peoiple playing a game

- Is there any separation between CurvedSpace and SeeD? While there will likely be more conceptual division in the future in terms of services, is there anything at the moment that you consider CurvedSpace as opposed to SeeD?
i didn't know there was a difference between the two

- Do you think there is enough interaction between new members and old members? Between those who have directly joined SeeD and those who came to SeeD through UFF's merge? Between the moderators and the community? Between the admins and the community? Between SeeD and other communities? Between our members and the search engine bots?

ill answer these in order...
we could use more
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its fine
except for you i havent seen yall post in a while...
i didn't know we messed with other communities
ive tried talking to googlebot but it just wont reply

- Are there any particular new features that you think would benefit the site?
POPUPS!!!!
nah i cant really think of any right now

- What goals should SeeD pursue?
move into other games i guess.
at least it would bring in new members that actually might post once or twice

This post has been edited by Jake4d1: 26 December 2005 - 05:44 PM

[Cspace]

Just something for people to think about: Are you necessarily requesting what you want, or what you think others want? Many (but obviously not all) of those complaining about events and activity simply don't attend any in-game events even when they're held, but seem to be trying to speak for others. Contrary to what some say, there are many events being held, but not a high percentage attend.

Perhaps complaining about events for the sake of others is unfounded, since if everyone wanted events, why wouldn't they attend the ones that are held?

SeeD is a member-led clan and the leaders try to take a hands-off approach when it comes to events. We let basically anything within realistic boundaries be hosted, and assume that the members would host the events in which they're interested. If events are not hosted or attended, from our standpoint, it suggests that there just isn't a lot of interest.

If one wishes to increase interest or activity, there is no use trying to force people to play a game they don't want to play, lol. One will get nowhere trying to tell a clan to be more active. Especially in an RPG that takes a decent amount of time. Recruiting is a solution to this, and all factions should be capable of taking care of this themselves. Factions should not rely on current SeeDs to provide activity, everyone here doesn't play every game in which we exist. For a faction to be successful it should try to handle recruitment, otherwise it's almost impossible for anything to really happen with it in-game regardless of how the system works.

I personally think the problem is recruiting in all factions. Recruiting brings members in who would wish to attend events, since recruiting brings in almost exclusively those who actively play a given game. Recruiting can very easily be managed by members just telling friends about SeeD, that's how we grew originally. Unfortunately, to back up my view with regards to this, recruiting is not a priority for SeeDs. When I made that announcement regarding new jobs, of over 20 requests, only one wished to do something along the lines of recruiting.

This is a problem that can easily be solved but it will require a slight bit of effort by those who wish for a change.

And when I say 'negative feedback', I don't mean insults or 'negativity' directed toward members or member groups, I mean feedback against what the administration is doing or our current system. We don't need to start fights in a thread that should be constructive.

[Snowy]

I usually spam and talk to darky or tanny or whoevers on.

I never participate in events. There are too many and more often than not no one shows up not even the host.

I define a clan as playing against some known friends in friendly competition. And getting free stuff

There really is no SeeD. CurvedSpace is SeeD and when members mention SeeD they really mean CurvedSpace. SeeD is just a shorter word for CurvedSpace. SeeD has been dead ever since I came here and there are no signs of increasing acticivity in the future.

The only Admin who interacts (or did) was Star. But today there is just so much to do. I used to wait online to see if anyone I knew was on. But I just randomly check the forums now. Things seem to have changed and I don't like it. There are too many new members and I think we should start setting some standards. No one gives a rat's *** if a noob lost his addy. I have had 3 previous new members add me on RuneScape and ask for cash. This is sickening. Cspace there has to be a limit! Oh and btw the bots are hawt....

I think that SeeD should stop getting new members. They are wasting our forums. They are the industry and we are the stale polluted air. Yes we may stop taking new members but, this is a pet peeve of mine, they are posers. The new members think they can just act like Tanny or Rat or whoever. It pisses me off to say the least and I seriously wanna strangle some new members.

SeeD should make a game. I am starting to learn CC+ Code and am working on my mad programming skillz... but I would be glad to help and there should be like a must have been in SeeD for more than 2 days to play rule

[Cspace]

This is just me, but I'm beginning to think that many members' perception of activity is severely skewing their outlook on the clan, and it's a little odd how this perception can be so wildly different from member to member. Perhaps this is evidence that there is not enough interaction between old members and new members, and perhaps beyond that and not enough between groups of friends.

In the same thread we have comments about SeeD only having '10' active members along with comments of SeeD having way too many active members. Those who obsessively undermine activity tend to be those who belong to a tighter group of friends who don't actively interact with other SeeDs, and either don't see activity from other directions or don't want to see activity in other directions because they want to use inactivity to push an opinion. Those who blow up activity tend to be those who come and go from the community, and always return to see it with many faces they don't recognize. The first impression of these new members would naturally become the face of all the new members, because human nature would force one to design a big picture from whatever window is available. People are uncomfortable with vacuums. It's funny how more SMods and Admins tend to pick a middle ground between the two, because members come to them and they don't decide with whom they interact. They see a more accurate big picture, but since some sects exist within SeeD, members who make their own networks won't necessarily see the same image of activity.

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This is causing some to have a defeatist outlook on both extremes. Some who don't interact with all the activity in a given game tend to think SeeD simply isn't a clan, and since there isn't as much interest in events as there can be, this is giving those SeeDs some backing for their opinions (even if it is only a piece of the picture). It's funny how the majority of the members doing this belong to other clans. On the other hand, those who see excessive activity think we're changing too quickly.

There is no real solution to activity when looking inside the clan. Recruitment is the solution for activity concerns, both for increasing it as well as more properly directing it. Factions can very easily handle this, but if no recruitment is done, no faction can realistically succeed. The members are the best at doing this because word-of-mouth can provide the most positive direction for recruiting as a whole.

For everyone, let's not use exaggerations or opinions for statistical backing, because they will redirect our focus from what may actually be a solution.

[Raktor]

I was talking about 10 people who activly play Runescape, and that's really about it.


@Cspace: Do you attend in-game events?

This post has been edited by Bigbro69: 26 December 2005 - 10:08 PM

[Cspace]

I was talking about 10 people who activly play Runescape, and that's really about it.

That's to which I was referring, you don't actively interact with everyone here, and don't know all who are active in SeeD. I don't know of any SeeD who is not a SMod or above who can really say that they do (since for the most part only SMods and above would have SeeDs come to them, as opposed to having to form their own networks with the members). If you only interact with a group within SeeD, and of that group only '10' play RS, that's all you know in SeeD who plays RS. That doesn't mean that's the only group that plays, and unless you physically talk to everyone here you would not be able to show otherwise other than by stating your prediction.

This is a simple list that was compiled by a few members in another thread of known SeeDs who are active in Runescape:

- Darkness
- Dave
- Kaiser
- Bigbro
- Bigrat
- Fer
- Final
- Goto
- JGJ
- Minerdamian
- OM
- Reikin
- Star
- Darkie
- Santa
- Asy
- Snowy
- Ruckus
- Kimo
- Clock
- MoS
- Serena
- Nate
- Charlie
- Phieta
- Hyper
- Sparks (I think)
- Nighthawk
- Ratzaroony (I think)
- Zoo
- Leftyy
- Dokimos and those from UFF

Among many others who simply don't post much (and I'm sure I forgot some who are active and do post, I just briefly checked through who was on today). To be active in Runescape and to be active on the forums are two different things. There are those who are active on the site who aren't active in the game, just as there are those who are active in the game and consider themselves SeeDs who don't post on the site. The truth is that not everyone sees a purpose for posting on clan forums, and they shouldn't be completely disregarded. If one doesn't believe me, we have the statistics to support it, there are usually about the same number of guests on as those who are logged in. Also, per day, the total number of unique visitors is more than double the number of users who log in. I also have personal evidence of those who PM/IM me who never post, but I don't have any way of proving that to anyone beyond my word.

There are also more events being scheduled now than before, and many new members are coming and it is very obvious that they're active in Runescape if one looks around the forums.

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@Cspace: Do you attend in-game events?

Actually when I can I do, however there's a reason that I'm not leading the RS Faction. My focus revolves around college, work, and the site (and funding the site), which renders me incapable of guaranteeing activity in a game on a schedule. I am an administrator for the clan, not the RS Faction's leader, and do not wish to be used as an object to hold it back.

When I do play, I have my PM block up for obvious reasons; I don't try to pretend that I'm active in any single game, and don't wish to be held to those expectations because that's not the area where I can personally provide the most for the clan.

[Raktor]

Why do you fund the site? You must make a profit, otherwise you wouldn't bother, because you hardly interact with the members, so it can't be something that's 'fun'.

[Goto]

Because if he didn't we'd be sad.


Anyway, he does interact with people more than you might suspect. Maybe your real complaint here is that he no longer interacts with you.

[Cspace]

Why do you fund the site? You must make a profit, otherwise you wouldn't bother

Lol, I don't know what profit is to be made with our clan site. Perhaps I consider it otherwise worthwhile, money isn't the greatest concern in my life. I eat the cost because I think SeeD and CurvedSpace are worth it, I'm sorry you don't think the same. I probably shouldn't even bring it up because it isn't really a concern of mine, and I'm not sure why it should matter to you anyway...