[Joseph]

There is one thing I don't get: Why do non-white people get a pass to be racist? People think absolutely nothing of it when people are racist against whites. For example, you hear blacks say "cracker", "whitey", etc and no one cares. But if you were to see some white guy say the N word, there would be hell to pay for him.

I was listening to talk radio about a month ago and they were talking about how to blacks chased a white guy into the street in New York City while shouting "Get whitey!" The man was then hit by a car. Anyway, some guy called in (you can tell by his voice that he was black) and he says "Ya'll started it!" Why does he get a pass to be racist? Can you imagine if a white person called in and said "Blacks started it!" Or if some white people chased a black guy into the street while shouting "Get -N word-!"?

Also, have you ever noticed that parties and organizations such as the Black Panthers are allowed to conduct business freely. I mean, they are basically a black KKK. There are things like the Black Firefighter's Assosiation, things like Black Liberation Front and all these other parties and groups. Seriously, can you imagine what would happen if a bunch of white people started the White Firefighter's Association or the White Liberation Front? They would be run out of town.

Discuss...

[Rohtaren]

i think black people just think they need revenge for slavery before the Civil War and segregation that went on into the 60's... the thing is, that problem should have been solved decades ago! if blacks are allowed to be racist... they either shouldn't be or whites should be allowed to be racist. Lebanon, Kentucky doesn't have these problems... why can't people just learn to set aside their differences.

it seems that black people are in gangs, trade illegal drugs, and think their better than everyone else a lot more than whites do. blacks are still humans... why does anyone have the right to be racist? it impends on other rights... that where one's rights end... taking away the rights of others.

i'm not racist or anything like that, but it seems that blacks are just turning into monsters! where is all the sense that they had? do they just skip classes when they were kids? what has happened to them?

there are no blacks in my imediate vicinity that i can trust... all the blacks i know seem to be involved in... i'll call them "mini-gangs"... and they are bullies and don't pay attention in class... then they get in trouble for not doing homework or following directions

wait, there are a couple "blacks" i can trust... if you call a kid from India black and another one from the Seshells black.... they're my friends... we don't notice our racial differences when we are together, we just do our work or play video games.

anyway, heres my opinion: racism is wrong, nobody should get away with doing it.

[Joseph]

Anyone ever watch Carlos Mencia? Every single joke of his he makes fun of some race or another. I know they are just jokes, but still... if I went up on a stage and made jokes about people of other races, i'd be taken of the air for being "racist." >.>

[Zandabyte]

I know i only see black pepol in gangs and rap groups and the songs i hear are im going to kill that beeping beeper ect....

ps:

[Zziggywolf5]

It's backlash. Blacks were mistreated (and sometimes still are), so they want to get revenge. Of course, if certain people would stop saying things about blacks, blacks would have to move on.

I'm friend's with several black people, although this is a mostly white area.

Side Note: Wtf is with the term "hate crime?" If you shoot someone, there's a good chance you don't like him. I've noticed that if a white person robs a minority, it's a hate crime. There was a case about 5 months ago where a black guy killed about 4 or 5 Asian people. That, however, is not a hate crime.

'Nother side note: Why is it that when a KKK rally occurs, all these black people start looting and burning things? Then the Klan can point and say, "Look, those people being mauled by those blacks don't have anything to do with us. Their violent aren't they, folks?"

[Aaron]

I suppose that other races other than the majority of Americans (Caucasians) feel that they have the right to be racist toward whites. They have all been given many rights and protections by law as minorities. It seems that they've become carried away with their freedoms and rights, so they push the limit to see how far they can go. I think those that fall under that category are opportunists, taking advantage of the lawmakers that extend their rights and privileges. I also find it odd how they can call each other what other races cannot ("N" word). I am not trying to cause any mass uproar by my opinions, but of all the minorities, blacks are the ones that are the culprits of what I mentioned above. Other minorities (in general) do not seem to be this way. By the same token, many blacks are not this way either. I am friends with several blacks and they're perfectly normal. I also have known and been former friends with several blacks that are this way, though. It seems that today there has been a reversal of the status quo from a hundred years ago. The majority seems to be the discriminated, not the discriminators. Have you noticed how job openings and college advertising often says "Minorities encouraged to apply?" It seems like America is making up for our past by offering unfair advantages to the former disadvantaged. A job a black female would have never attained 50 years ago is now unattainable by a white male. I am not saying it is wrong for the black female to be picked over the white male, but it seems that the black female is being picked because she is a minority. Also, think of colleges. I have seen several news reports on how minorities are getting free rides to college and are accepted into colleges just because they are a minority. A black man is being chosen to go to a college over a white man who is clearly more qualified. I believe that is not fair. Aren't things supposed to be fair?

[Joseph]

Unfortunatly, in our society, when a white guy kills minority it is a "hate crime". But when a minority kills a white guy it is either "self defense" or not a hate crime. Huh? That isn't fare.

[Zandabyte]

i know

[Kaezion]

Huh? That isn't fare.

it isn't fair that the average salary for white people is 30% higher than that of the black people.

i'm not racist or anything like that, but it seems that blacks are just turning into monsters!

does anyone else see a problem with this sentence?


i've noticed that it's a general trend among upper class white kids to complain that black people such-and-such when they should be treated equally and not given special rights. well guess what? you're a lot better off than they are, even now. they have a legacy of slavery and oppression that still plagues them today (statistically, more black people are poorer than whites - but of course, you probably knew that). how many black jokes have you heard? can you tell me any "white jokes"?

while it's sort of true that black people and especially the native americans don't really even have to try to get into good colleges, i feel that some of them truly deserve that advantage. it might be unfair to the white people who are being rejected in favor of the potentially less qualified minority applicants, but from a socioeconomic standpoint, the minorities have all been pushed to the bottom rung of the social ladder since the past; most of them still dwell there, and thus it is only fitting that we give them special opportunities to undo what harm has been done to them by white people. it's not a question of apologizing, but rather one of compensation.

these types of people (i.e. most of you who posted in this thread thus far) only bring up trivial evidence that supports the white side of the argument, such as affirmative action or reverse discrimination. how about this, then? enough blacks were lynched to fill the World Trade Center several times over (and that's documented cases; there were probably a lot more that were undocumented), yet no one makes much noise about it. when a fraction of that number, 2749, the majority of whom are white, die, it is heard around the world as a tragedy that will be remembered forever. does anyone see inconsistency?

i'm not saying the 9/11 incident isn't a tragedy. what i'm saying is that if it is such a tragedy, why aren't people making better efforts to remember those who were lynched, those who died in higher numbers and under equally tragic circumstances? if you mention it today, the majority of white people just shrug it off and say "oh, it's in the past." well, i highly doubt that those same white people will ever forgive Osama Bin Laden.

bottom line? stop whining.

[Joseph]

Well, we're not whining. This is the debate forum.

I get really annoyed when people bring up the arguments that blacks are trying to get revenge on white people. And that they are "angry about slavery and opression" and "deserve compensation for it." Almost every society that I can think of has been oppressed at one time or another. The early American colonists were somewhat opressed by the British; are we still angry at the British? I think you would call 6 million Jewish people being thrown into furnaces by Germans 'opression'; are Jewish people still angry at the Germans? The Israelites were enslaved by the Egyptians for hundreds of years; if the Israelites were stilll around today, would they still be mad at the Egyptians? For gosh sake, move on.

And if whites percentage-wise are wealthier than blacks, that is because a portion (in no way all) or them spend their time on the street doing drugs, drinking, stealing, shooting cops, and casuing problems. That minority of blacks brings down the entire numbers. If anything, minorities have more opporunities than whites do now. If you went to your local McDonalds and applied for a job, chances are if you were up against a minority for the job, they'd get it.

If more minorities went to college and got degress for things that would land them high-paying jobs, then they would be as wealthy or wealthier than whites are.

[©allum]

I doubt the percentage of blacks who "spend their time on the street doing drugs, drinking, stealing, shooting cops, and casuing problems" are enough to bring the whole population down. And it's not that any other races don't do the same.

[Zziggywolf5]

i've noticed that it's a general trend among upper class white kids to complain that black people such-and-such when they should be treated equally and not given special rights. well guess what? you're a lot better off than they are, even now. they have a legacy of slavery and oppression that still plagues them today (statistically, more black people are poorer than whites - but of course, you probably knew that). how many black jokes have you heard? can you tell me any "white jokes"?

while it's sort of true that black people and especially the native americans don't really even have to try to get into good colleges, i feel that some of them truly deserve that advantage. it might be unfair to the white people who are being rejected in favor of the potentially less qualified minority applicants, but from a socioeconomic standpoint, the minorities have all been pushed to the bottom rung of the social ladder since the past; most of them still dwell there, and thus it is only fitting that we give them special opportunities to undo what harm has been done to them by white people. it's not a question of apologizing, but rather one of compensation.

these types of people (i.e. most of you who posted in this thread thus far) only bring up trivial evidence that supports the white side of the argument, such as affirmative action or reverse discrimination. how about this, then? enough blacks were lynched to fill the World Trade Center several times over (and that's documented cases; there were probably a lot more that were undocumented), yet no one makes much noise about it. when a fraction of that number, 2749, the majority of whom are white, die, it is heard around the world as a tragedy that will be remembered forever. does anyone see inconsistency?

bottom line? stop whining.

Yes, my father who lived in trailers a large percent of his life obviously lived much better than all black people. He went from lower class to middle class just because he's white. I know something about life through him, so don't say I'm too stupid to have any idea of poverty.

Actually, I don't know any black jokes off the top of my head.... I know a lot of 'redneck' and 'hillbilly' ones though. Who are 'rednecks' and 'hillbillies?' White people. Whose supposed to be stupid enough to try to shoot fish and try to float a trailer? Whities.

Help minorities? Yes, we should. Consider them more important? No. They can't help being a minority and yet somehow I can help being white. That's equal.

Why is 9/11 engraved in our minds? Because it happened 5 years ago, as apposed to about 60. I agree, it's not right. But why shouldn't I talk of my Irish ancestors? They died by the cart-full and they're still not thought about.

Whining? This is the debate forum. Joseph kinda asked us to discuss and share our feelings. I'm sorry my opinion does not meet your approval.

bottom line? Are any of you reading most of the posts?

[Kaezion]

The early American colonists were somewhat opressed by the British; are we still angry at the British?

so... were early American colonists enslaved, beaten, treated worse than livestock, and lynched? oh wait, they were taxed. i guess that's much worse.

I think you would call 6 million Jewish people being thrown into furnaces by Germans 'opression'; are Jewish people still angry at the Germans?

the memory of the German party (the Nazis) that was responsible for the Holocaust is still stigmatized today not only by Jews, but by most everyone else in the world. in today's world, Hitler and the Nazi party have become symbolic of evil. i'm not saying that they weren't evil or anything; i'm only pointing out the fact that they are still hated today.

And if whites percentage-wise are wealthier than blacks, that is because a portion (in no way all) or them spend their time on the street doing drugs, drinking, stealing, shooting cops, and casuing problems.

and why is it that when blacks are mentioned, you somehow find a way to mention drug usage, alcoholism, theft, murder, and crime in general? isn't this already indicative of the stereotypes against black people that prevail today? don't white people do that too?

If anything, minorities have more opporunities than whites do now. If you went to your local McDonalds and applied for a job, chances are if you were up against a minority for the job, they'd get it.

okay, so let's take a look at the job world. i even took a little time to do some research. it seems as if for all your talk of affirmative action, white people still have the upper hand; according to Gregory Squires, who is a professor at George Washington University, "recent research found that white job applicants with a felony conviction on their record were more likely to get a job than comparable black applicants with no criminal record" and that "the most recent national housing discrimination study found that racial minorities encountered unlawful discrimination in approximately one out of every five visits to a real estate or rental agent." the 2006 article i got this from can be found here.

it's probably true that more of the McDonalds or Burger King jobs are held by minorities. oh, such lucrative opportunities! do you really want to be a fast food cashier when you grow up? the fact that more minorities hold the Burger King jobs only serves to indicate that white people are holding the better jobs - the white-collar and six-figure salary jobs. don't you think that the people dipping fries into oil would rather be sitting in an office earning about 10 times more money annually?

If more minorities went to college and got degress for things that would land them high-paying jobs, then they would be as wealthy or wealthier than whites are.

and putting more minorities into college is precisely what affirmative action aims to do. you're not really showing consistency when you're posing a problem whose solution is the very thing you're complaining about.

Yes, my father who lived in trailers a large percent of his life obviously lived much better than all black people. He went from lower class to middle class just because he's white. I know something about life through him, so don't say I'm too stupid to have any idea of poverty.

okay, what's your point? the fact remains that more black people are stuck in slums with no feasible way of elevating their social and economic status than are white people.

Actually, I don't know any black jokes off the top of my head.... I know a lot of 'redneck' and 'hillbilly' ones though. Who are 'rednecks' and 'hillbillies?' White people. Whose supposed to be stupid enough to try to shoot fish and try to float a trailer? Whities.

what i asked was: "can you tell me any 'white jokes?'" And that is precisely what i meant. not redneck jokes, not hillbilly jokes. you don't see any joke that pokes fun of the entire white race - just a very small minority within the white race. is that trailer joke told as "why did the white person try to shoot enough fish?" my guess is no, as that joke is making fun of rednecks and rednecks only. on the other hand, the usual jokes involving black people don't make that distinction. it just slaps the label of "thief" or "criminal" on the entire black race.

Help minorities? Yes, we should. Consider them more important? No. They can't help being a minority and yet somehow I can help being white. That's equal.

when, and where, did i ever state that minorities should be considered more important?

But why shouldn't I talk of my Irish ancestors? They died by the cart-full and they're still not thought about.

again, where did i say you shouldn't talk of your Irish ancestors? the only point i'm trying to make is that minorities deserve the help they're getting today, without the whining from certain people who don't realize the extent to which these minorities are in trouble.


things like affirmative action aren't perfect, as with all human systems. but it's an effort. America put the minorities into the water in the first place, and they can't be just left to sink.


so, why is it whining when it's in the debate forum? because it's the only place that people like some of the previous posters dare to place this opinion. if it's such a valid opinion, why not write an article about it, and put it somewhere of more consequence - say, a school newspaper, an essay for a class, or a magazine? perhaps because you know that such ignorance cannot survive the criticisms of an intellectual community?

and by the way, by "intellectual community" i mean a group of learned, intelligent, critically thinking people - as in, not comprised of 13 to 14-year olds who think that they actually know something.

[Joseph]

The early American colonists were somewhat opressed by the British; are we still angry at the British?

so... were early American colonists enslaved, beaten, treated worse than livestock, and lynched? oh wait, they were taxed. i guess that's much worse.

I think you would call 6 million Jewish people being thrown into furnaces by Germans 'opression'; are Jewish people still angry at the Germans?

the memory of the German party (the Nazis) that was responsible for the Holocaust is still stigmatized today not only by Jews, but by most everyone else in the world. in today's world, Hitler and the Nazi party have become symbolic of evil. i'm not saying that they weren't evil or anything; i'm only pointing out the fact that they are still hated today.

And if whites percentage-wise are wealthier than blacks, that is because a portion (in no way all) or them spend their time on the street doing drugs, drinking, stealing, shooting cops, and casuing problems.

and why is it that when blacks are mentioned, you somehow find a way to mention drug usage, alcoholism, theft, murder, and crime in general? isn't this already indicative of the stereotypes against black people that prevail today? don't white people do that too?

If anything, minorities have more opporunities than whites do now. If you went to your local McDonalds and applied for a job, chances are if you were up against a minority for the job, they'd get it.

okay, so let's take a look at the job world. i even took a little time to do some research. it seems as if for all your talk of affirmative action, white people still have the upper hand; according to Gregory Squires, who is a professor at George Washington University, "recent research found that white job applicants with a felony conviction on their record were more likely to get a job than comparable black applicants with no criminal record" and that "the most recent national housing discrimination study found that racial minorities encountered unlawful discrimination in approximately one out of every five visits to a real estate or rental agent." the 2006 article i got this from can be found here.

it's probably true that more of the McDonalds or Burger King jobs are held by minorities. oh, such lucrative opportunities! do you really want to be a fast food cashier when you grow up? the fact that more minorities hold the Burger King jobs only serves to indicate that white people are holding the better jobs - the white-collar and six-figure salary jobs. don't you think that the people dipping fries into oil would rather be sitting in an office earning about 10 times more money annually?

If more minorities went to college and got degress for things that would land them high-paying jobs, then they would be as wealthy or wealthier than whites are.

and putting more minorities into college is precisely what affirmative action aims to do. you're not really showing consistency when you're posing a problem whose solution is the very thing you're complaining about.

Yes, my father who lived in trailers a large percent of his life obviously lived much better than all black people. He went from lower class to middle class just because he's white. I know something about life through him, so don't say I'm too stupid to have any idea of poverty.

okay, what's your point? the fact remains that more black people are stuck in slums with no feasible way of elevating their social and economic status than are white people.

Actually, I don't know any black jokes off the top of my head.... I know a lot of 'redneck' and 'hillbilly' ones though. Who are 'rednecks' and 'hillbillies?' White people. Whose supposed to be stupid enough to try to shoot fish and try to float a trailer? Whities.

what i asked was: "can you tell me any 'white jokes?'" And that is precisely what i meant. not redneck jokes, not hillbilly jokes. you don't see any joke that pokes fun of the entire white race - just a very small minority within the white race. is that trailer joke told as "why did the white person try to shoot enough fish?" my guess is no, as that joke is making fun of rednecks and rednecks only. on the other hand, the usual jokes involving black people don't make that distinction. it just slaps the label of "thief" or "criminal" on the entire black race.

Help minorities? Yes, we should. Consider them more important? No. They can't help being a minority and yet somehow I can help being white. That's equal.

when, and where, did i ever state that minorities should be considered more important?

But why shouldn't I talk of my Irish ancestors? They died by the cart-full and they're still not thought about.

again, where did i say you shouldn't talk of your Irish ancestors? the only point i'm trying to make is that minorities deserve the help they're getting today, without the whining from certain people who don't realize the extent to which these minorities are in trouble.


things like affirmative action aren't perfect, as with all human systems. but it's an effort. America put the minorities into the water in the first place, and they can't be just left to sink.


so, why is it whining when it's in the debate forum? because it's the only place that people like some of the previous posters dare to place this opinion. if it's such a valid opinion, why not write an article about it, and put it somewhere of more consequence - say, a school newspaper, an essay for a class, or a magazine? perhaps because you know that such ignorance cannot survive the criticisms of an intellectual community?

and by the way, by "intellectual community" i mean a group of learned, intelligent, critically thinking people - as in, not comprised of 13 to 14-year olds who think that they actually know something.

Um... well, I am very smart for a 14-year-old. Or so I am told. You seem to be all about not being steritypical towards different demographics. Are you being steritypical towards people of a certain age? Yes. You seem to be the kind of person where whenever your opinion is challenged you start name-calling and considering everyone else to be "13 to 14-year olds who think they actually know something."

[Rohtaren]

Well, we're not whining. This is the debate forum.

I get really annoyed when people bring up the arguments that blacks are trying to get revenge on white people. And that they are "angry about slavery and opression" and "deserve compensation for it." Almost every society that I can think of has been oppressed at one time or another. The early American colonists were somewhat opressed by the British; are we still angry at the British? I think you would call 6 million Jewish people being thrown into furnaces by Germans 'opression'; are Jewish people still angry at the Germans? The Israelites were enslaved by the Egyptians for hundreds of years; if the Israelites were stilll around today, would they still be mad at the Egyptians? For gosh sake, move on.

And if whites percentage-wise are wealthier than blacks, that is because a portion (in no way all) or them spend their time on the street doing drugs, drinking, stealing, shooting cops, and casuing problems. That minority of blacks brings down the entire numbers. If anything, minorities have more opporunities than whites do now. If you went to your local McDonalds and applied for a job, chances are if you were up against a minority for the job, they'd get it.

If more minorities went to college and got degress for things that would land them high-paying jobs, then they would be as wealthy or wealthier than whites are.

-blacks should have gotten completely calmed down about it a long time ago...
-jews are considered isrealites
-yes, the Brits treated us like dirt
-i agree with you, it just mioght be that they grew up in a bad environment and don't know any better because they think its cool.
-look at all the blacks that got good eductions and grew up in a good family! they are very succesful, if not, respected by all.

i think that a lot of blacks just haven't been raised very well, so they think that doing all the bad stuff is cool... the ones that have been raised well are usually relly nice people that really deserve respect.

still, my opinion stands: racism is wrong, nobady should get away with it. those who are, they are really good at hiding from law enforcement.