[Star Jedi]

I honestly do think the Winhill garden should take care of their own war affairs, though >.<

Although they're still in SeeD, they're still separate to their own clan, and if another clan declares war on them, why not let Winhill take it out on their own?

In war topics there will be a little fighting, but honestly I didn't see *that* much horrible flaming taking place there..lol x x;

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Doki, I understand how the situation is becomming very stressful to you, but before you make any drastic decisions, please talk with Cspace, as you were..

I'm sure something can be worked out =\

[Fredie21]

go to the dokimos homepage with runescape and find old furom pos hthere i guess.

BTW thanks star you really are a good admin.

This post has been edited by Fredie21: 18 June 2006 - 11:54 PM

[Res]

Who's flaming now?

Miami Man was right. Chaz exhibited childish behavior, and has been recently.But you seemed to have been counter flaming as well in that topic.

But be damned if you can base the ENTIRE SeeD clan off of his actions. You're back running massive generalizations that we're corrupt. We're not. But Base was doing his job to prevent the situation and he doesn't deserve the treatment -YOU'RE- giving him.

If anyone is flaming/showing childish behavior right now, it's you.

[Neilslayer91]

Ok I'll go psot in dor and foundation forums then until this settled.

[Fredie21]

Who's flaming now?

Miami Man was right. Chaz exhibited childish behavior, and has been recently.But you seemed to have been counter flaming as well in that topic.

But be damned if you can base the ENTIRE SeeD clan off of his actions. You're back running massive generalizations that we're corrupt. We're not. But Base was doing his job to prevent the situation and he doesn't deserve the treatment -YOU'RE- giving him.

If anyone is flaming/showing childish behavior right now, it's you.

me all along ive said that it was a minority in seed that didnt like us. Question how come before when chaz was flaming us you did nothing and now when we finally have a chance to defend our selves you tear us apart with this.

[dokimos0rg]

UFF is not pulling out of SeeD. We are only falling back to free forums and a safe position as overlords are taking over in SeeD Forum.

UFF is staying with SeeD to see them through this crisis as we are the loyals to SeeD. It is these other traitors who have compromised themselves to bad Runescape politics and overlording attitudes.

As of this moment SeeD Clan is "on probation" in accordance with UFF values.

You are what you do. And SeeD is what it does. We are now seeing what SeeD is continually doing.

I will yet negotiate peacefully with our clanleader Cspace.

All other UFF movement clan forums may be used by UFFs with respect to the conventions of their forum moderation. Please follow their rules.

I will not be silenced to defend UFF values, nor should any others of us here.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 18 June 2006 - 11:59 PM

[Neilslayer91]

I'm sure rude wouldnt mind us coming in his forum.

[Bodom]

Yes, base is an overlord because he stopped a flamewar begining, next time a 12 year old flames UFF we'll leave him to do so?

[Baseballl]

Forum rules, created by Cspace, that UFF agreed to follow:

Flaming:

As of now we are leaving this section completely open so issues can be taken on a basis of severity, not that of situations (which can sometimes be unfair). In this thread you can view for what SMods and GMods can suspend. GMods and Admins can suspend for any situation deemed necessary. The following are some generalizations for situations which can be used as a guide.

- Minor statements such as those regarding spelling, minor provocation (such as "I bet he is just going to come here and do..." statements against someone), negativity about one's perceived age (to a limit) and others which are similar can be grounds for the deletion or editing of your post. If this is a habit a suspension could come from it but it shouldn't be major.

- Direct flaming and insults can result in instant action if deemed necessary. If this is very rare in a member who has been here a while, or it is not severe enough for instant action, a warning can be issued. This warning can be followed by action if the problems continue. The length of a suspension depends on the severity of the situation.

- A continuing problem can result in more severe action. If someone has a distinct habit of flaming, he/she can be suspended for a longer time. If this is completely out of character for someone, the action can be less severe. It depends on what is considered fair and whether a longer suspension is necessary to end the problem.

- The actions of mods and the actions of other members should be held on equal grounds. Don't single out the mods, and don't single out the members. Mods can, however, lose their mod rights in addition if the situation is severe or it is a continuing problem.

[Fredie21]

this one star jedi is right you are taking the radical way alot of the mods are here to help im sure maimi man didnt mean anything by this and is just tring to do what he think is right but you are a little to hectic with this curropt seed thing

PS: dont generalize seed by what few members do i have met a lot of good seed members.
Though i will defend UFF against anyone who flames us.

This post has been edited by Fredie21: 19 June 2006 - 12:03 AM

[dokimos0rg]

I regret having to call UFF to a fall-back position, however, since UFF cannot function in its call and purpose in this forum, I have no other choice based upon our own values.

Cspace's halt on us to talk against "restrictive clanning" while we are being controlled and censored is not helping matters for us. It has aggrevated matters for us, giving the overlords exactly what they want, namely, our silence.

I am still even now abiding by Cspace's halt on that topic. I will not stay silent forever. I am showing Cspace and SeeD as much respect as I can given these awful ways we are being dealt.

None of this is what I want. It just has to be this way because we are UFF.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 19 June 2006 - 12:06 AM

[Res]

Question how come before when chaz was flaming us you did nothing and now when we finally have a chance to defend our selves you tear us apart with this.

If I could have, I would have, but I'm not a SuperMod and I can't mod these forums.

[Fredie21]

Question how come before when chaz was flaming us you did nothing and now when we finally have a chance to defend our selves you tear us apart with this.

If I could have, I would have, but I'm not a SuperMod and I can't mod these forums.

I have nothing against you by the way i just dont thinks its fair for us to be treated badly in seed by a few members. You no none of this would of happened if they wouldnt have flamed us.

[Neilslayer91]

Don't worry guys UFF has been through bigger struggles than this we'll survive.

[dokimos0rg]

Yes, Fredie, the flames were bad, but the problem was that Nate, said to be a respected member of SeeD, flamed UFF and me personally to insult us all. This has been reinforced by the move of his Guardians of Honor clan to chide us and reinforced by SeeD Moderator mussle. Not an easy matter for us here, is it?

I can deal a lot better with the flames than I can ever do with the censorship.

True, Neils, we have been through worse. This is, though, going to be a deciding struggle for us here.

I have previously submitted a proposal to Cspace about what we may, I say may, be able to do to bring peace and resolve with the exclusive clans who have members in SeeD. But it will take time to work out matters.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 19 June 2006 - 12:14 AM