[Kimojuno]

Enough with the flaming, baiting, etc, don't like UFF? Don't come into the forum, problem solved, Cspace and Doki have been talking, let them work it out.

-- Jeff

EDIT: And before I forget, I'm going to ask anyone in UFF to please not speak back andor start anything, like I've said before if people don't like each other. Let it go, ignore each other, and find something better to do with your time. No reason to speak to those who bring you down, make fun of you, etc.

[dokimos0rg]

The discussion going on here in SeeD on the serious level is NOT about UFF leaving SeeD. Cspace is not asking us to leave. UFF is not intending to leave.

It was only that when restrictions to free speech of UFF values was being hindered and even halted in some cases, that I recommended that UFFs also post in UFF Movement clans to avoid censorship.

Well, sure I feel angry about matters but, honestly folks, the troublemakers exaggerate and blow this issue way out of proportion.

UFF and SeeD need to account and facilitate for an increased diversity amongst us. We need to preserve unity, freedom, and our fight for these.

Again, the use of other forums besides SeeD's own is available for UFFs. This does not detract from our presence in SeeD.

[Baseballl]

My biggest question is how you can preach on your website about toleration and the gospel, but come on here and insult people and preach about not tolerating exclusive clanning. That just isn't being a good example of your preaching or I'm just missing something.

What I think SeeDs and some others want is to understand what UFF is really trying to do, Cspace included. Some understanding might help end the problem with these mavericks who continue to insult you guys.

[Bodom]

free clanning for all, yet if you arent a follower of the values you arent included, sounds like a requirement.

[Dragonman]

Possible solution..

If UFF actually wants to merge with SeeD, we remove this sub-forum so that UFF members can start distributing themselves throughout the other SeeD forums, instead of isolating themselves here.

If UFF doesn't want to merge with SeeD, we again remove this forum, but settle with an alliance instead (UFF on their own forums).

At our present state, we are apparently holding each other back. If UFF doesn't even want to merge, then why set up HQ here? People keep talking about how UFF can advance.. how does that make this a merge? If UFF is trying to advance itself, then it isn't part of CuvS. An alliance would be much more suitable..

[kilobite0]

If i know uff i know it will never merge with anyone, be it that maybe new forums might be good

[Baseballl]

You have merged with us...

My opinion is that going after "overlords" and exclusive clanning you are going to ruin your own clan and lose all of your respect, just like you have here among some of the members. People join clans because they want to, not because they are forced to. If somebody wants to join an exclusive clan they have the right to, it is their choice. If they want to join UFF, then they will do that also. You can't force people to join your clan if they don't want to, so trying to bring down requirement clans isn't going to work if you haven't figured that out yet. Nobody is being restricted by an "overlord", they chose that type of clanning.

[Neilslayer91]

Like we said many times before, we are forcing nobody to join us,
we are only going to post in req. clans to show their members a way out.

[Maxi]

Like we said many times before, we are forcing nobody to join us,
we are only going to post in req. clans to show their members a way out.

..Wait.. Even though those members chose to join, and that they can choose to leave the same place.. You're telling them what they already know they can do? Well, it's your choice .

[Neilslayer91]

I have friends that are in req. clans but dont wanna be, just dunno where else to go.
So if some of them see UFF and another option they may choose to join us freely.