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A Discussion For UFF... And ONLY UFF

#1 User is offline   Cspace Icon

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Post icon  Posted 20 June 2006 - 06:20 PM

Just a note, I am trying to make this as easy as possible for UFF. I ask that only UFFs reply to this, not SeeDs.

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I am really at a loss when it comes to UFF's means, and its plans to reach its goal. Some talk about posting in requirement clans (which would either result in a ban or more opposition than any logical clan wants to deal with), while others say that UFF won't post in requirement clans. Some discuss starting debates with requirement clans, but why would they want to have a debate in the first place? Other than that, I really don't know what UFF plans to do to make a large impression.

Isn't UFF's goal to support free clanning in Runescape?

Wouldn't it be easier to go to the hub of the elitism that does exist, the Runescape communities, where all mainstream clans come together? Where there exist clans that are legitimate and otherwise? Where I saw the transition in 2002 first-hand? If UFF wants to make a big impression, what can be done there?

You obviously don't want to start an argument with the clans there (also because there are many clans there that aren't negative), but you don't have to argue with anyone.

Why not?

Instead of focusing on why requirement clans are bad, focus on why free clans are good! You have very little competition in that regard, and if you focus on appealing to those not interested in or not capable of joining a decent requirement clan, UFF could potentially gain a massive amount of support. Your clan will become mainstream, and continue to grow and become a beacon. If people want to join a free clan, they will come to UFF. There is a point where UFF will in itself be a major influence, and a major player in the clan communities such as RSC.

This is a means by which you can influence all major clans, and more than if a strategic few clans are chosen as an opposition. You will also get more support, and will not be forced to perpetually defend yourselves. As long as you're forced to defend yourselves, isn't UFF holding back? It can be done without making any definite enemies, and have a much wider impact. thumb.gif

And in the process, no one is alienated by UFF. This includes the many legitimate clans that could otherwise get sucked into this unnecessarily.

This is just my idea for what would help UFF, but what do you think? Shouldn't UFF have a positive outlook to make a positive impression, and ultimately make a positive change if this is conducted in a decent manner? Are enemies necessary in order to spread an idea? I personally think "no", but what do I know?

This is a thread for UFF, for I am trying to help them with what I can. I again ask that UFF and only UFF replies to this so an unnecessary argument doesn't begin. In turn, I ask that UFF not bait any SeeDs, if that is an issue to worry about.
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Posted 20 June 2006 - 11:25 PM

Is UFF just along for the ride? I seriously haven't heard of any plans that are agreed upon by the members of UFF. When I ask people, all I get are replies along the lines of "I think this, but I dunno about UFF", certain replies such as "post in requirement clans" followed by someone else saying "no, we don't do that", or just no reply at all. For a free clan, there sure isn't much of a diversity of ideas. Either that, or am I the only one thinking about it?

I'm sure that the members of UFF have opinions. Why not work something out?
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Posted 21 June 2006 - 01:58 AM

I personally do not think that we should post in req. clans forums. I feel that this would be a breach in our values unless we were invited to post there by one of their members. By posting in others forums we would be forcing our values upon them which they do not want. If we were invited to post then we know their is interest for our movement and that we should try to spread our ideals to those who might like them.

This is what I did with the Foundation Clan, I was invited to post something and I did. After that they were soon accepted as UFFs.

If we want to defeat the req. clans we shouldn't go posting in their forums, let them come to us.

EDIT: Even though I don't think that we should go out and seek clans to join us, I still think that we should countinue individual recruiting.

ANOTHER EDIT LOL: To take down req. clans, maybe we should make friends with their members or leaders. Eventually we could bring up the UFF. If we did manage to recruit some of them we would build stronger friendships within the UFF and take away people that overlords lord over =p

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Posted 21 June 2006 - 01:33 PM

Saying requirements are bad draws the wrong attention.
I agree with you cspace
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Posted 21 June 2006 - 01:39 PM

Hmm... UFF helped me when i was level 24, i had no other clan to go to with no requirements.

But i think we cant go for a goal so high like trying to eliminate the Req. Clans. Because well, how many are there in runescape? Alot. And all the major clans = 100's of members.

I kind-of agree with Cspace.

Though, i do beleive clans with requirements are often stronger. As shown in 3 of DORs loss videos.

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Posted 21 June 2006 - 01:40 PM

You know what?
I bet doki was rejected from a di or somthing and then he set up uff! singer.gif
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Posted 21 June 2006 - 01:43 PM

Ask Him xD

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Posted 21 June 2006 - 03:38 PM

Dude shutup that isnt why. He just doesnt like the idea of requirement clans, its too cult like.

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Posted 21 June 2006 - 04:43 PM

Isnt uff like a cult?
Fear overlords blah blah?
And use your spirit to attack requirement clans
i think that's more of a cult.
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Posted 21 June 2006 - 05:06 PM

(Some posts have been invised) I'm sorry, SeeDs are not allowed to post in this topic.

This is a personal topic for UFF and UFF only, and to UFF, and to anyone, please don't bait\provoke anyone. This is a topic to see what the members of UFF's opinions are.
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Posted 21 June 2006 - 06:04 PM

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Though, i do beleive clans with requirements are often stronger.

That is why many clans do have requirements. The mechanics of the game are such that low levels aren't just less help, but can technically get in the way in the artificial wars by which the Runescape communities rank clans. There are many decent clans that happen to have requirements because they simply want to compete in the ladders; it doesn't automatically make them elitist.

Often an elitist clan would have requirements, but that doesn't mean that all requirement clans are elitist. There are also elitist clans that don't have defined requirements but do harass those with lower stats (usually those clans are disorganized). To consider clans with requirements as elitist and enemies of UFF is like taking a shotgun and blasting around at everything while wearing a blindfold. This is because arguably at least 95% of mainstream clans have requirements of some sort. You would be making enemies with everyone.

This is why I personally feel that the anti-req image of UFF will ultimately prevent it from getting anywhere toward its goal, and may actually be counter-productive by blindly making enemies who may otherwise be decent clans. Also, isn't it a rather nefarious goal to be digging into others' affairs to force them to change to your liking, when otherwise they would have no effect on you?

I really think that UFF should focus on something more positive than that... The fact that there are so many requirement clans means that a clan, promoted as a free clan, could potentially have an extraordinarily large audience given the lack of competition. If UFF worked on achieving a good reputation, a large following, and stayed out of the direct affairs of other clans while having a large presence on the Runescape communities where clans come together, your clan could become a beacon to spawn new clans along similar lines. It could also put pressure on other clans that are elitist without doing anything to make a direct enemy with anyone. This means that UFF won't be bogged down with defending itself all the time.

Maybe if there is a large enough following, UFF could focus on breaking down the polarization that started in 2003. In other words, let clans once again define themselves and not stick themselves in one of two pre-conceived paradigms when they go mainstream. That's another issue however, and one that I think it's a little early to worry about.

Again, I know that I may be going against the previous ideas of UFF, but I am trying to help you.
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Posted 21 June 2006 - 07:08 PM

So your saying jsut leave ovelords alone and let uff get public?
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Posted 21 June 2006 - 07:57 PM

I'm saying that UFF doesn't need to get involved with them. To go about things clan-by-clan, anyway, would require successes to occur specifically hundreds of times over and over. Add in the enemies that are made, and the times UFF will have to defend itself from return attacks, and the reputation that is made for UFF getting into other people's business... The goal simply won't be reached, even if those clans would not default to a simple ban for getting rid of opposition. Go to the communities on the other hand, focus on UFF and not on other clans, make UFF mainstream, appeal to those who clans tend to ignore or those who don't want to be in a warring clan... UFF will become a beacon. Without enemies and having an effect on the very place where clans come together, ultimately having a bigger impact on Runescape.

The goal should be realistic and not potentially wrong, morally speaking. Instead of focusing on changing requirement clans, show that a clan doesn't need to have requirements. Let UFF go mainstream and be accepted. Then focus on the communities without alienating other clans.

UFF stands for freedom. Let the players have freedom, and let them choose the clan they wish to join. No one is forcing them to do anything, the community is just out of balance. UFF can help fulfill the role of bringing balance by providing an alternative for players. That, if anything, would help the clan situation more than trying to pull it to another extreme.
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Posted 21 June 2006 - 09:54 PM

I disagree with Cspace.

Cspace has been seeking to change the values of UFF to be in favor of restrictive clanning and instead of opposing it.

Cspace has broken the merger agreement between SeeD and United Freedom Fighters by not allowing us freedom of our values.

UFF no longer has any place in SeeD unless and until new terms are agreed upon AND KEPT by SeeD.

The United Freedom Fighters of Runescape hereby recognizes that we are no longer part of SeeD due its widespread rejection of its own members, namely those of the UFF.

United Freedom Fighters are encouraged to continue with us by applying for our new forum. Please see the UFF homepage...

http://dokimos.org/runescape

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Posted 21 June 2006 - 10:23 PM

Let them leave respectfully.
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