[Kimojuno]

With todays music being loud and possibly degrading, speaking of murder, etc, could it lead the listener(s) to do something which might just be illegal?

Debate.

[Jake]

Yeah, if I hear either "Crank dat" or "Dufflebag boi" one more time... I'm gonna shoot someone.

Seriously, it can turn you to illegal things. I'll elaborate once I can get to a keyboard.

[Master Of Stuff]

Listen to that lazytown "Bake a Cake" song for a while and see if it doesn't make you feel stabby.

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Well, it would seem to be a matter of desensitizing(izzat the word?) what is 'extreme' in most people's views. Talk about murder in your everyday life, would you bat an eye when it happens by you/next to you/etc?

Dunno.

[Maxi]

DU HAST MICH.

Enough said. 'Tis creepy.

[Kimojuno]

Listen to that lazytown "Bake a Cake" song for a while and see if it doesn't make you feel stabby.

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Well, it would seem to be a matter of desensitizing(izzat the word?) what is 'extreme' in most people's views. Talk about murder in your everyday life, would you bat an eye when it happens by you/next to you/etc?

Dunno.

Rather true points, if you hear about it every day, then I suppose (eventually) it would seem 'the norm' to you.

Another song is 'Banana Phone'

(That Animation is Creepy)

[Traver]

No.

[Aaron]

Rather true points, if you hear about it every day, then I suppose (eventually) it would seem 'the norm' to you.

I agree. Desensitization is a powerful thing.

[©allum]

No.

If someone kills someone because a song/video game/movie inspired them to do it, it's not the song's fault, a person who would do that is obviously not sane to begin with.

[Res]

No.

If someone kills someone because a song/video game/movie inspired them to do it, it's not the song's fault, a person who would do that is obviously not sane to begin with.

QFT.

Could games cause someone to go crazy, or even murder?

No.

If someone kills someone because a video game 'inspired' them to do it, it's not the games fault, a person who would do that is obviously not sane to begin with.

[Neraphym]

The song would have to inspire the subject to murder, as well as break down the moral barriers preventing the subject from killing in the first place. The subject would also need to be isolated; separate from all other forms of input that could dilute the message. I can certainly see this happening, but I doubt it actually has. While a type of music as a collective whole might have this effect, no one song on its own could do it. You need to hear multiple sources to radically change your nature, not just 1 over and over again.

Perhaps if there was a song specifically geared to creating a psychological pathology in its listeners, then this might be the case. There could be a song that somehow hypnotizes and reprograms the subject to kill. Take Zoolander as an example. The difference here is such a song is designed for the end of creating murder, as opposed to being designed for the end of creating art or gaining money.

[Jake]

Ok, I don't have keyboard access so I'll be brief.

Rap.

I used to go to school that was like... "38 percent White, 42 percent Hispanic, 19 percent African-American, and 1 percent Other."*. Rap, and the rap culture was huge there, but not as bad as some areas around here.
You know another thing that was huge? Fighting. Nearly every day, there would be a fight. Some of which would end up pretty nasty. With some poor {expletive run over by Cspace} who, probably half asleep and wearing the wrong color shirt, stepped on someone's shoe ended up on the ground being stomped on by random people. This was also a school with a max capacity of about 1400, that had about 2100 students. It was cramped.
Seriously, if you fell down in a fight before school about 5 random people would stomp you. These people were shining examples of the wannabe thug mentality.
If I wasn't 6ft tall and 210lbs I'd probably have been jumped alot just for being white. It happened often. I was just big enough to be considered a threat so I wasn't messed with much. Ironically, if I punch you hard, there's about a %50 chance I'll be floored with pain.

Ps: It's very hard to get my message across over text, without either taking an hour to write this post, or sounding like a klansmen. I'll just stop.


Tl:Dr
My old school is proof that music (or at least the culture behind it) can have something to do with being a retard in an indirect way.

*copied from website, it was good as of 2000, but now it's more like %20 white/other, %50 hispanic, and %30 black.
Fun fact: %20-30 of the people in that school were borderline retarded.

[Master Of Stuff_NA]

There is a difference between inspiration and desensitizing.

If you do something repeatedly on a daily basis, will it carry on while you're not doing that? Like that one test where the dog drools at the ring of a bell.

-ring bell
-give dog treat
-ring bell
-give dog treat
*repeat as necessary*
-ring bell
-dog drools without even being shown a treat

Normally repetition does not effect most people because it is not total immersion. People do different things all day and keep their mind active. Have someone immersed in so-called 'violent' music/games for a long period of time and see how sane they are or are not. It's all relative really. You can do the exact same immersion with propaganda if you want to see a huge difference... but this is about music

The question "Can... cause..." is pretty weak because, whether or not you like the answer, Yes It Can... but that would imply an unhealthy immersion or a vulnerable easily-influenced state of mind(like Res and ©allum said) to begin with.

The Jack Thompsons and Tipper Gores of the world think that this is enough to try to ban games and music of the like. That is like blaming the Twinkie on fat people. Sure it doesn't help, but correlation does NOT equal causation. There are underlying issues which should be addressed.

[Master Of Stuff_NA]

There could be a song that somehow hypnotizes and reprograms the subject to kill. Take Zoolander as an example. The difference here is such a song is designed for the end of creating murder, as opposed to being designed for the end of creating art or gaining money.

If you're not talking about Zoolander the movie, completely ignore this post. Otherwise:

That would be an example of subliminal influence. Add the shock therapy to tell the brain "ignorance = pain, do what I say" and you can pretty much have anyone do anything.

... there are 4 lights.

Edit:

Also take into consideration popularity and subculture. I mean, which idiot decided to popularize " Stop Snitchin' "? When it becomes popular, all of the sudden a man gets beaten in my apartment complex and it was reported that the attackers said, "Stop Snitchin', Snitches get Stitches, Snitches Die(which btw is a title of a hip hop song)" and other junk. Again, didn't cause it because the man probably would've been beat either way, but the influence was apparent.

[Zziggywolf5]

I have to agree with the majority here. If a person is inspired to do something violent based off of a song, that's just it. It "inspired" them, meaning that violence was there, it just hadn't been channeled yet. And that channeling could have been from about anything: Halo, Nightwish, death metal, the Beatles, Rush, Superman, Batman, the X-Men, Weebl and Bob, Phantom of the Opera, American Idol, etc.
That violent tendency was already in that individual.

[.:Nightmare:.]

No.

If someone kills someone because a song/video game/movie inspired them to do it, it's not the song's fault, a person who would do that is obviously not sane to begin with.

yup just about i was going to say. its the person's fault