[Alpha-Weltall-2]

Alright, straight forward, I'm not a know it all like some OTHERS who put their posts on this site about the series telling you what to like or dislike. In fact, this is just a response post to the original person who believes the series is going to crap. If you want to understand what I'm writing, you need to read the original post by Crescens. You'll find the original post here: http://www.cspacezon...?showtopic=4846 Let this be known off the bat that you can make a reply to me and I won't care if you hate my opinion or not. Let's call this the NO SPIN ZONE for Final Fantasy.

Ok, so far, I've played FF4, FF5, FF6, FF7, FFT, and FF9 and I have to tell you that I have been very impressed with how the series has gone. The series started with the original medieval structure with mages and knights and theives if FF1, but since I haven't played that, I'm not going to give my opinion on the game. Then the series took an impressive turn with FF4. This game had impressive gameplay with very difficult battles and the first 5 person party I have ever seen. (If there was another game with this, don't criticize me for it, I haven't played them all) The game had completely unique characters that had their own unique abilities. Such as Kain and his dragoon ability (he kicks ***!) and Cecil with his cure ability as a paladin. Each character had the personality that made you favor them right away, and sad when they left the party for good, as this game had no system to change your final party. However, the sidequests were beneficial to the main plot and the increased difficulty found in the playstation version made this a good game. Here, I have no disagreement with Crescens about this game.

Now, on to FF5, this game was in my opinion, one of the best. This game again, had no party selection, but it didn't need it. The game had a unique advantage over FF4, instead of being stuck with just one character class for the entire game, which can tend to get boring, in FF5 you could change your character class! I found this to be a unique change as no previous game gave you even this much freedom with your characters. Along with the good one liner jokes in the game as well as good character personalities put this game in my favor. I found it even better than FF4, though they were both good games.

Onward to FF6. Probably my second favorite game in the series. This game blended technology with the medieval that originally caught everyone's attention. Every character had their own unique abilities and the game introduced the idea where you could customize your party with any character you wanted. Summons were also easy to obtain and spells were powerful, making it easy for a player of any skill level to master the game. I know this because this was my first and one of my favorite RPG's.

Now, is where the crap hits the fan. FF7: My favorite RPG that Crescens downgraded as being one of the worst Final Fantasy games ever. Ok, first of all, this game introduced a futuristic world that still kept the magical sense to it. You found twists and turns in the plot as well as some pretty cool villians like Sephiroth with his katana (who doesn't like that?). The characters were changing constantly through the story as the plot unfolded and you discovered their past. Along with some tough bosses like the Weapons and cool spells and summons like Bahamut Zero and Ultima, this made FF7 one of my favorite RPGs, and for this Crescens is going to go saying I'm wrong and I'm an idiot for liking the game. Dude, that just makes you a hypocrit. Besides that, you say that the characters have no personality even though you got people like Cid, Sephiroth and Tifa who make up the game based on their personalities, like in the flashbacks, so how are you going to say they have no personality when they make up a good deal of the game! How are you going to tell ME what games I can like and what I think they are. Anyway, this was an awesome RPG.

Now, FFT, one of the best Final Fantasy's ever come out, and I would have to agree with Crescens that it is one of the best RPG's ever. This game involved a good storyline along with a good cast of characters who could obtain any skill, but had certain strengths and weaknesses despite of their job. In order to get through most of the battles, you couldn't just rely on your character level, but also on your tactical strategy, therein the name Final Fantasy "Tactics." Along with unique and special sidequests beneficial to the game, and a special guest apperance by a FF character from another FF, this game is one of the best Final Fantasy games out there, though it's not good for a person just starting out in RPG's.

Now, I'd like to give an opinion of FF8 from what I've seen and heard from other people. Now Crescens has said that FF8 is the worst RPG eer made, and that you are wrong to disagree with him, and through that, he flamed over 500 people doing it saying they are "complete idiots" for liking the game. Now how the **** is he going to tell people they are idiots because of their opinion just because they don't agree with his ignorant understanding of video games. From what I've gathered, it seems like an interesting RPG. From what I've heard, it has fun mini games such as the card game, and the spelss aren't overly powerful like in every other Final Fantasy. Come on, if the spells are too powerful, it takes the fun out of the game. It doesn't matter if the damage should revolve around logic, it's not like Final Fantasy is logical anyway. However, one other upside I've heard, (correct me if I'm wrong) is that you can't overly power your characters as the final boss always remains two levels above you, which I find interesting because if it's true, it makes for a good final fight unlike if you were so powerful that the final boss couldn't even hurt you like in FF6. So, from what I've heard, FF8 seems like a half decent game that I might actually check out sometime.

FF9, a good RPG that brought back the medieval sense to Final Fantasy. This game starts out interesting with impressive mini games as well as the boss fights. This plot also had turns in it that you would never expect until it happens, then you start thinking back into the story to where they mentioned something about the turns you run into. Anyway, this game had inpressive sidequests that allowed you to gather good items, money, and even some ultimate weapons. This was a very good RPG that kept the series alive.

I have never played FF10, so I don't know what to say about that game. All I can say is that it did not have the medieval sense to it, but it lived up to its name as being a fantasy game in a futuristic world. The way you bought abilities seemed well plotted and blitz ball seemed awesome. Again, another game I'll try sometime.

In conclusion, with the new games coming out such as FF11 and FFX-2 and FF12, Final Fantasy is staying strong and the company is not as corrupt as he believes it to be. In fact, that company he thinks is corrupt brought him Chrono Trigger and its sequel Chrono Cross that he loves so much, and they are also bringing him the new RPG by Enix that he is so desperate to buy. So what I'm trying to say is that Final Fantasy is still alive and staying strong as a good RPG series that is perfect for a player of any skill level. Also, this is a good review if you are looking at Crescens pessimistic review because he had nothing better to do at the time than to diss Final Fantasy. The series is alive and still strong and I can't wait for the new installments. If you have any opinions, I'd like to hear them, write me on the post. Final Fantasy: A totally awesome series!

This post has been edited by Alpha-Weltall-2: 06 September 2003 - 04:15 AM

[Phieta]

'Lo there, Alpha (may I call you Alpha?)...

Two things. One, the font code doesn't work... you have to add this when you're done:

[Cspace]

Yeah, thank you Alpha...

Hehe, I know Crescens and Alpha, and we've been arguing about the FF series for like a year (sad isn't it...). Before we started arguing about FFVIII, Crescens actually liked FFVII, FFIX, and FFX (in fact, I saw him listening to FFX midis once). He thinks that the first FF games (before they were on Playstation) were the best in the series, and that's fine. They are all great games. He got some idea in his head though that all who like FFVII and later are idiots, and that started this perpetual argument (of which I see no end).

Anyway, since he did come to a clan named "SeeD" to express his hate for Squaresoft and all who like the FF games after FFVI (even though there is very little involving FFVIII in our clan), I was thinking that we could have an official "Flaming Crescens Day". I will post it in the Event Forum if we actually hold this (actually quite likely), and it will involve the constant IMing of Crescens on AIM telling him that he's wrong. If you like any of the FF games he hates, let him know. If you don't think we're idiots because we are in a clan named after FFVIII (which of course you don't... ), let him know. In the process warn him once, and after the "event" begins, I will tell everyone to stop once he starts twitching and stuttering on every word beginning with an "F" or involving "Fantasy".

Don't do this yet though. I will provide his screen name when Alpha and Ryoko decide that it's the best time. Also, if you don't think this is right, Crescens actually told me that he wants "hate mail", so I thought that I'd give it to him live!

Hehe, ummm, well, you get the point I guess... Back to Alpha's topic.

Note: I am only doing this because I actually know Crescens.

Addition in Another Reply:

[vietpryde]

WAHOOO!!! so.. we get to flame a guy for fun... mwhahaha!!! i like this idea...

[Bodom]

lol cspace thats evil lol, a hate crescents day...

alpha ffX is quite like 9 once u leave zanarkand and i think ffV n IV rules to i'm just confused was there any difference to the ff 1 2 3 4 5 6 before they came on the ps, or were they on nintendo and like in 2001 or 2002 they brought em onto ps and added the cinematic stuff

[Star Jedi]

Ummm... K... Errr....

Sounds fun, But I don't like it.

Cspace must be really mad Or something.

[Maxi]

I think all those years of knowing Rylkan has driven him insane .

As much as I hated Crescens' post, I'm not really the guy to dive in all guns flamimg when the opportunity presents itself. Although Cspace, when you get at Crescens, give my ''go back to the asylum!'' flame. Toasty

[X Zolon]

Asylum actually means "Sanctuary" and it started when people who had mental or physical problems and/or disfigurements were taken to a monastery or church, and were left there in an "Asylum" which is their sanctuary.

errm... yeah.

Cspace, now you are starting to think like me. Like the time I destroyed my friend's email and online game accounts because he backstabbed me.

except he never even knew... grr......

Flames cause people mental pain, like an anvil!

[Maxi]

. . .yeah. . .

It sure will be the safest place to be if he tries any thing like that post here again.

[Alpha-Weltall-2]

To reply to Echlius' question about the difference between the FF's when they came on to the playstation, the only differences were that the cinematic scenes were added in, and also in FF4 the difficulty was increased. Thanks for the reply!

[Cspace]

Lol, Crescens really told me that he wants flaming. Maybe we won't warn him, lol, we'll see.

Anyway, I'm not angry at him and don't really intend to drive him into the dirt. Just convince him that SeeD is not full of idiots and that his opinion isn't the only one that matters.

Note: I don't mean "flaming" in its real form, just annoying persuasion on AIM. The title "Flaming Crescens Day" just is a name that I thought worked.

[Alpha-Weltall-2]

Well Cspace, I just heard that crescens was gonna write 4 pages this time leading attacks against me because of my post. If he wants flaming, we should give it to him, ryoko might go for it too.

[Cspace]

[Crescens]

Well, it seems rather obvious that the majority of the people in this forum completely misunderstood my meaning behind the post entitled “Final Fantasy: A Series of Gradual Decay.” This post was not meant to insult the series as a whole, nor was it meant to insult members of the clan SeeD. I apologize for the mass flaming of clan members, as that was an accident on my part, and was not my intention in any way in posting my opinions. I would have apologized sooner had the original topic not been closed, and also clarified the meaning behind the original post, which was to explain my reasoning behind despising the worse installments of the Final Fantasy series. Those that think I was posting in effort to the entire series either did not read the original post in its entirety or have no idea what “gradual decay” means. I’m going to assume the latter, as people generally shouldn’t reply without reading. If you replied without reading the entire post, your opinion lacks any basis and probably isn’t worth hearing.

I love most of the Final Fantasy series. However, the recent installments have disappointed me, especially when weighed against their earlier counterparts. By “gradual decay” I meant that over the ages, the series has started to decline. However, it has still had good installments in it, such as Final Fantasy Tactics, and, to a lesser extent, Final Fantasy IX. However, the point I made regarding these two games was merely that they did not get the publicity they needed to sell well, as more people stupidly preferred VII and VIII due to the hype and publicity given to them. The intention of my original post was only to degrade the installments VIII and X, and the particular team of Square programmers that worked on these two games.

How has it come to the point where people mention games such as Chrono Trigger as if I insulted them? I said nothing against the majority of Squaresoft, or the majority of its games. In fact, I only degraded two. Why is it that people are dense enough to suddenly feel the need to call Final Fantasy a “totally awesome” series as though I’ve degraded the entirety of it? Why is it that people call me a “hypocrit” for still being willing to buy Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, though never mentioning the game itself by name? Why is it that a person that admittedly has yet to play either of the two games I degraded feels obligated to speak up for games he hasn’t even played and knows nothing about, and then call me ignorant of video games? People like that are what motivated me to post the original post in the first place, to perhaps help people understand what the original dream of the series was and where the creators went wrong in continuing it. I did not degrade the majority of the series in any way, and had no intentions whatsoever of insulting an entire clan. Now that the intentions of the original post have hopefully been fully clarified, I’ll continue.

Alpha mentioned, though knowing nothing about the matter, that Final Fantasy VIII commandeered something of a difficulty level due to the fact that the monsters improved in strength as you improved in strength. This, in effect, means that there was no point to any leveling up, and therefore almost no difficulty to the game. This also took away one of the key elements of an RPG. Though some may like games for reasons other than their value of gameplay and may disregard that key element, usually being foolish enough to focus instead on menial elements such as graphics, I tend to value being able to play a game, have fun with it, and replay it at a later date without becoming hopelessly bored with excessively boring storylines and obnoxious characters. Final Fantasy X also lacked a capacity for gameplay and difficulty that I expect from games, allowing simple one-hit kill strategies for almost every non-boss enemy. FFX also offered a one-dimensional storyline with characters I wanted to throw a brick at most of the time, and little to no surprises. I believe I covered a majority of the reasons why I despise Final Fantasies VIII and X back in the original post. However, most that replied or posted in the new topic did not bother to read or understand the intention behind the original topic.

Now that I’ve clarified the intentions behind my original post, I need to ask a few things of what this topic has come to…

[Alpha-Weltall-2]

Know this everyone, Crescens wrote this reply and apology because he was afraid of what everyone would do to him with the flame spamming.
Also if you notice, he no longer insults FFVII as he knows if he were to reply to what I wrote about FFVII that I would drive him into the ground with it if he provoked me. Crescens also has said that the people who reply to him can't spell right as if that's any indication that they are unable to express their opinions intelligently. Well, to clarify that, only one person spelled their words wrong, and it only had a few words spelled wrong. He had also said that people liked FFVII only because of how well it was advertised and only because of the advertising, well I had bought FFVII way after it came out and I have hardly seen any advertising for it, so if people liked the game, it's not because of the promotion it received, but because it was a good game. Finally, to clarify the insult of Chrono Trigger, Crescens had said that the company was decaying as well as the series in the original post and about FFT Advance, I NEVER MENTIONED THE GAME in my post. Anyway, Final Fantasy is a totally awesome series because the games are original, and continue to give you hours of entertainment. Please continue replying to my post. Thank you.