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Final Fantasy: Totally Awesome Series A response/review to Crescens anti FF

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Posted 28 September 2003 - 06:29 AM

Meh, didn't read half these posts but anyhoo, I think the FF series are some of the best games made. Ever. And the new ones don't get worse and worse they get better in different aspects.
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Posted 28 September 2003 - 02:08 PM

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Meh, didn't read half these posts but anyhoo, I think the FF series are some of the best games made. Ever. And the new ones don't get worse and worse they get better in different aspects.


I agree, with the exceptions of a few installments to the series. I never said once that Final Fantasy was a bad series, I said that it's a "series of gradual decay," meaning that the original dream of the series has decayed and been forgotten. In the most recent installment, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, some old ideas were brought back, but the original dream of the seriers as seen in the older installments remains forgotten in recent volumes. That's the majority of what I meant by "a series of gradual decay." Despite this, the statement has been seriously misinterpreted in many ways, and caused a lot of disagreements between people...understand the meaning of the origins before the meaning of "progress."
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Posted 29 September 2003 - 12:35 PM

The saddest part of this topic is that despite the fact I agree with you in almost every way when it comes to the series, I still believe you to be deeply wrong in a large amount of your judgement. I have not yet played FFX but I have played Mystic Quest and FFIII through to FFIX. If you think about your topic you will notice that despite saying the series and company was declining, you seem to at least quite like every second game to come along.
Although you flamed FFVII, since then you have retracted most of that, so I'll count it as a positive.
FFVIII really was a bit hopeless (a good game, but not up to par with the rest).
FFIX was in my opinion a fantastic game, and you grudgingly accepted it was getting back to what made the older games good. FFX you say was nearly as bad as 8, and without any proof of my own i'll leave that one alone.
I've played a little FFTA and find the concept quite interesting, never managed to get a copy of it for psx. So where is all that decay if you like one in every two games?

Not only that but despite your claims otherwise, you do seem to have a habit of insulting all those with a different opinion to your own. Not everyone can be as 'hardcore' a gamer as you, perhaps they like a game where they aren't wiped out by every boss the first time through. This may not describe me, but others have just as much of a right to play games as you do. Add to that the fact that different styles of games appeal to different people

I'm happy to discuss any points you may have, but keep it out of the forums and use that little PM button.
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Posted 29 September 2003 - 04:15 PM

I never said anything about FF8 or ff10 because I've never played them, unless you are refering to Crescens' bull****.
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Posted 29 September 2003 - 06:59 PM

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The saddest part of this topic is that despite the fact I agree with you in almost every way when it comes to the series, I still believe you to be deeply wrong in a large amount of your judgement. I have not yet played FFX but I have played Mystic Quest and FFIII through to FFIX. If you think about your topic you will notice that despite saying the series and company was declining, you seem to at least quite like every second game to come along.
Although you flamed FFVII, since then you have retracted most of that, so I'll count it as a positive.


I haven't retracted anything I said against FFVII, but it wasn't the game I intended to use to display the gradual decay in the series. FFVII I disliked after a while because it was the game that moved away from the original dream of the series, and led to the utter failures of Final Fantasies VIII and X.

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FFVIII really was a bit hopeless (a good game, but not up to par with the rest).


It wasn't good at all. I agree with you that it definitely wasn't on par with the rest. For one thing, I think even Tetris had a better storyline than that piece of garbage.

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FFIX was in my opinion a fantastic game, and you grudgingly accepted it was getting back to what made the older games good. FFX you say was nearly as bad as 8, and without any proof of my own i'll leave that one alone.


I agree that FFIX was an good game, fun to play, and with a decent storyline. It went back to some of the aspects that made the older games good, a great improvement considering the previous two installments to the series. However, what really ticked me off about FFIX was that those who started the series with FFVII or FFVIII shunned FFIX, not realizing that VII and VIII were the ones that broke away so horribly from the ideals of the series. This, in essence, is what I meant by "decay." Even when they release a decent game, it's devoid of the original dream of the series, and probably won't get the support or respect it deserves because the series of Final Fantasy tries to appeal now to an audience of fools. These are harsh words, but I feel it necessary to use them in order to explain how a once prominent series has decayed.

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I've played a little FFTA and find the concept quite interesting, never managed to get a copy of it for psx. So where is all that decay if you like one in every two games?


Not sure if you're implying that FFTA is a direct port of the PSX version, but it isn't. It's a sequel. And yes, FFTA is a fun game that allows for more strategy than an average RPG, and has a good, innovative storyline (and ending that I'm tempted to spoil, but won't.) I've got mixed feelings about FFTA, however, because it blends the original dream of the series with the awful changes made in VII and VIII, mixing them together, and acting as if they were one all along. Those that have stayed with the series since the beginning understand me.

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I never said anything about FF8 or ff10 because I've never played them, unless you are refering to Crescens' bull****.


Not only is this slanderous and obnoxious, but it's not even true. I don't feel that I need to quote your original post to prove you wrong on this, but in the case of both FFVIII and FFX, you blindly spoke well of them despite not having played them. In a blind judgment, you choose to follow stupid advertising nonsense, while I choose to stay consistent with my personality. Also, considering that it was me that started you on the series, and my judgment that stopped you from playing Final Fantasies VIII and X, I don't think you have any reason to be obnoxiously slandering me, other than the fact that you like to jump on Ryoko's bandwagon and do what he does. Whoops, did I expose that?
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Posted 29 September 2003 - 08:18 PM

Wow, Crescens, you really are ignorant. You stated that I spoke of FF8 and FF10 with no experience when I CLEARLY stated that in my original post and besides that I'm basing this off of what I've heard from other people, now if you are willing to put a spin on this, then you really are misguided. Also, if you are saying I shouldn't be talking because you got me to play the series, you are also not entitling me to my opinion which is the main basis for this forum. In other words, you need to STFU, btw, your comments are why Cspace may not make you a mod!
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 01:45 AM

Well, he only writes one paragraph, so I'm gonna need to take this apart sentence by sentence...

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Wow, Crescens, you really are ignorant.


Some thesis for your topic, considering that it has nothing to do with the rest of what you say. Good thinking. Not only is your argument irrelevant and unproving of the point you were trying to use it to make, but it's obnoxious and petty as well.

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You stated that I spoke of FF8 and FF10 with no experience when I CLEARLY stated that in my original post and besides that I'm basing this off of what I've heard from other people, now if you are willing to put a spin on this, then you really are misguided.


You clearly stated that you knew nothing about either, yet you blindly praised them anyway. Yet later, you stated that you said nothing about them. That's the point I was trying to make. What you've heard from other people, the advertisement or recommendation that people have given you for these games, is exactly what I'm talking about. Just as you shouldn't trash a game unless you've played it, it's equally inappropriate to praise a game you haven't played. I'm not "putting a spin" on anything, just taking apart what you've said at various times and pointing out contradictions when the pieces are put together.

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In other words, you need to STFU, btw, your comments are why Cspace may not make you a mod!


Why do you insist on involving ol' C'sp on random ideas that have little to nothing to do with him? If Cspace decides to change his mind and not make me a mod of the debate forum, then so be it. He'll tell me, and he'll probably have good reasoning.
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 02:57 AM

Again, you put a spin in your writing. You claim I 'praise' FF8 and FF10 which I have done no such thing, so if you have been putting a spin on your past few topics, which you have, then that puts doubt in all of your writing especially your original post. For another thing, I only write one paragraph because that's all I need to write to get my point across, you need to type a whole page to try to negate one paragraph of what I say, that's pretty sad. Also, you seem to have a lot of time on your hands if you actually take my posts apart "sentence by sentence." Well, since I know you have all the time in the world as you have nothing better to do, take this paragraph apart.
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Posted 30 September 2003 - 06:46 PM

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You claim I 'praise' FF8 and FF10 which I have done no such thing


I hoped you'd realize that you contradicted yourself, but you don't seem to have realized it yet. So, I'll just have to quote your original post.

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From what I've gathered, it seems like an interesting RPG. From what I've heard, it has fun mini games such as the card game, and the spelss aren't overly powerful like in every other Final Fantasy. Come on, if the spells are too powerful, it takes the fun out of the game. It doesn't matter if the damage should revolve around logic, it's not like Final Fantasy is logical anyway. However, one other upside I've heard, (correct me if I'm wrong) is that you can't overly power your characters as the final boss always remains two levels above you, which I find interesting because if it's true, it makes for a good final fight unlike if you were so powerful that the final boss couldn't even hurt you like in FF6.


You said a lot of good things about it, blindly praising a game you admittedly never played. You blindly praised the difficulty level of the game, despite never having played it for yourself to confirm any of it. If the game was any good, and you really thought it was, wouldn't you have just played it rather than listen to everyone's hype and jump on the bandwagon in praising the awful game? Your blind praising shows your ignorance. Not knowing what a game has going for it, or if a game has anything going for it at all, it is as ignorant to praise it as it would be to insult it. You haven't made a single bloody point with any backing to it, leaving me no reason whatsoever to tear apart your most recent post.
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Posted 03 October 2003 - 04:07 AM

I skipped most of the posts since my last post because life-less Crescens spends so much time writing lengthy posts with no meaning at all.

This is what I have to say at this particular point in time: Crescens, if you knew the new installments in the FF series would be so bad, why did you continue buying, and then playing them for 100s of hours all up??

One more thing - you keep on saying the later FFs derived from the original 'dream' of Squaresoft, and yet you never, ever mention what this 'dream' 'was'.

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Posted 03 October 2003 - 03:44 PM

It's because crescens is stupid, he makes pointless accusations as well as writes pages at a time proving nomore than he's a dumbass for buying the games and he's stupid to spend hours writing posts on this site. Again, I never 'praised' FF8 off my own experience, I merely said what I've heard, if stating what I've heard is praising, then what everyone has said about crescens being an idiot must be true too.
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Posted 06 October 2003 - 09:01 PM

as cjjones sed wat was this dream that only u seem to know, and what exactly changed in the games except the storyline, better graphics better fmvs, more magic n summons.

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Posted 09 October 2003 - 08:29 PM

Well, haven't been here in quite a while, since I have a life, but I have more to say toward this debate that I haven't said yet...

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I skipped most of the posts since my last post because life-less Crescens spends so much time writing lengthy posts with no meaning at all.


You state that you skipped most of the posts, not reading them, yet say they have no meaning without reading them. Also, you claim that I have no life, but from a quick check of a few statistics, you post 2.5 times per day. Who is it that has no life? I make my posts only as long as I feel is necessary to go into detail on the point.

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This is what I have to say at this particular point in time: Crescens, if you knew the new installments in the FF series would be so bad, why did you continue buying, and then playing them for 100s of hours all up??


I don't listen to hype about games, and leave them up to my own judgment. The series is in gradual decay, and I expected little of any of the Final Fantasies following VII. I made my judgements about the newer installments in the series only after playing them, unlike those that listen to advertising BS.

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One more thing - you keep on saying the later FFs derived from the original 'dream' of Squaresoft, and yet you never, ever mention what this 'dream' 'was'.


Glad someone asked. I'm not mentioning what the original dream of the series was because I want to point out as a fact that most are ignorant to the ideas encountered in the earliest installments of the series. How can one define something as "progress" without knowing what it originated from? If people didn't know that at one point cars needed horses to be pulled, how would they define an engine being there as "progress?" The "engine" of "progress" in the series has decayed to the point where the "horse" of "origins" can be considered far better for its time. Most people probably don't understand the analogies I just used, but that's not my problem.

Alpha's post is menial and idiotic and not worth quoting or replying to. I'm not wasting my time with petty things I've already explained numerous times.

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as cjjones sed wat was this dream that only u seem to know, and what exactly changed in the games except the storyline, better graphics better fmvs, more magic n summons.


As I "sed" to cjjones, the original dream of the series can only be understood by understanding the origins of the series. Read above, "n" stop wasting my time.

I think I've covered everything thoroughly, and the topic is dull and outdated.
Hey OM, wanna close the topic?
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Posted 10 October 2003 - 12:52 AM

All i got to say is your wasting your own time even coming back here. And if FFVII is such a bad game, why did square even bother to make a movie about it?
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Posted 10 October 2003 - 05:20 AM

Ahem, I begin my post here: . (It began with a full stop grnwink.gif )

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You state that you skipped most of the posts, not reading them, yet say they have no meaning without reading them.


Errr...I skipped most of them, that isn't all, so from what I read I figured they were meaningless.

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I don't listen to hype about games, and leave them up to my own judgment. The series is in gradual decay, and I expected little of any of the Final Fantasies following VII. I made my judgements about the newer installments in the series only after playing them, unlike those that listen to advertising BS.


This has nothing to do with my question - please answer properly.

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Glad someone asked. I'm not mentioning what the original dream of the series was because I want to point out as a fact that most are ignorant to the ideas encountered in the earliest installments of the series. How can one define something as "progress" without knowing what it originated from? If people didn't know that at one point cars needed horses to be pulled, how would they define an engine being there as "progress?" The "engine" of "progress" in the series has decayed to the point where the "horse" of "origins" can be considered far better for its time. Most people probably don't understand the analogies I just used, but that's not my problem.


Why babble about something that the people you are babbling to are too "ignorant" to figure out??

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as cjjones sed wat was this dream that only u seem to know, and what exactly changed in the games except the storyline, better graphics better fmvs, more magic n summons. 


As I "sed" to cjjones, the original dream of the series can only be understood by understanding the origins of the series. Read above, "n" stop wasting my time.


Now how was he supposed to know what you meant with the "dream" thing, when he posted before you explained it??
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