[X Zolon]

Do.. you... know... how.. much... work... that... is...

I'd be willing to implement it. But all I'm seeing here is a bunch of people acting negatively to a FUN idea. Besides, I've had a lot of Ideas that were "to be implemented" and weere thrown out the window and forgotten. This was meant to be a little bit of fun, but then you guiys go ahead and assume the electee is going to be powerhungry and try to take over and destroy seed. Are you even looking at society today?

[Cspace]

I like the idea, simply because it is difficult for me to truly see how others feel about SeeD (since I'm in a different position). The King or Queen would probably have different names though. Regardless, limited power can be given to those elected (more for promotional reasons most likely, like events). They could also be considered "SeeD Celebrities", giving the clan more of a culture.

They cannot be above the rank of Elite General though, for those who have obtained this position have been carefully selected due to their leadership abilities and dedication to SeeD. The King/Queen also cannot make major decisions, and cannot be involved in conflicts of which they cannot handle (Gunblade). Declaration of war is obviously out of the question for this rank.

Anyway, with strict limitations, I think something like this could benefit SeeD, and I will highly consider its implementation in some form or another.

[Jarik C-Bol]

Ok, so this woul be more like homecoming king and queen at a school, sort of a figurehead that gives us more culture. only i little better, so that they can do things that realy help SeeD. am i close?

[X Zolon]

*points to Cspace* THATS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING! YOU SEE?

[PsyKchosonik]

If Cspace's view is what you have been talking about then you should have
been more precise in the very begining.

If Cspace's idea is what you are talking about then you wanted a 'celebrity king' just for the sake of fun without any real control of SeeD.

Before i seem to have the impression that the 'King' or whatever you call him
will be extremely powerful, perhaps only under the vetoing powers of Cspace and
'10 votes against'

[X Zolon]

keeping mouth shut as to not explode on you... working on campaign items with Pete...

[PsyKchosonik]

That is most appreciated

Because to be a leader, ideally we have to be an adult, and to be an adult
it will mean we have to control our emotions rationally.

If you can provide rational and reasonable objections to my arguments then
i will definitely comply to whatever you say.

[X Zolon]

Heh, I'll give it a shot.

If Cspace's view is what you have been talking about then you should have
been more precise in the very begining.

You spelled beginning wrong, just to point out Also, the reason I didn't give away what exactly they could do was becuase then people would just say they were going to do that if elected. Also, I wanted peopel to come up with their own ideas of what to do as king, or celebrity.
If Cspace's idea is what you are talking about then you wanted a 'celebrity king' just for the sake of fun without any real control of SeeD.
Well, some control over SeeD, not much though. Sort of an Indirect thing. I can't tell you the extent of this, much rather than show you.

Before i seem to have the impression that the 'King' or whatever you call him
will be extremely powerful, perhaps only under the vetoing powers of Cspace and
'10 votes against'

Well.. the ten votes against was to warn the person not to abuse power, if any.

QUOTE
[They cannot be above the rank of Elite General though, for those who have obtained this position have been carefully selected due to their leadership abilities and dedication to SeeD. The King/Queen also cannot make major decisions, and cannot be involved in conflicts of which they cannot handle (Gunblade). Declaration of war is obviously out of the question for this rank.]

Cspace made a very succinct role for this 'king' that you failed to provide.

I mentioned a few times this was not an official position, and that implied no war, gunblade, or such activities.

I will agree with the implemention of a King or 'celebrity' with the power limitations
mentioned by Cspace, but definitely not support the king with the powers that you seem to be proposing. An open ended 'power to do anything except affecting the leaders and the SeeD structure' does not really tell much IMHO

AND people, gardens, names, titles, things like that.

If it is for 'fun' and the King does not really hold any real power which will
override the administrators and the elite generals, then by all means do it.

But if the King holds powers that can only be veto by Cspace and the decision of
a vote(which might be unfair, we know all about unfair votes from the poll for a 'test run') then i say i will definitely not support such a system.
and will even go against it.
(im sorry zolon, you are a fine person and im sure your motivations are benign but i have to take my stance)

Infact right now there are already more then 10 people against the election of the
king and by your own rule should have been abolished already.

There were two rules:
1: We will do a test run if, out of 10 votes, we reach a verdict. That verdict was Yes, until base opened.
2:If, after the election, people thought the ruler was evil and a tyrant, they had the right to petition for his/her decline.

I agree with Dragonman565 that the newspaper thing is a great idea and i will
support it wholeheartedly. So is the inovators plan and your previous company.

Think of that when you hit the voting booth

Im thankful that you are putting in alot of effort for the clan, but effort doesnt equates 'good idea'

Im sorry again, but i wasnt convinced with your answers to our questions on my
previous post. It all seemed too frivolous to be taken seriously. Open ended
questions ie: 'he will improve SeeD', 'Its for fun' and 'it wont happen because
i think people in SeeD are mature'
Luckily, Cspace's post put a whole new perspective to this issue. The idea of a 'fun celebrity' that doesnt affect the clan in terms of war and order of ranks.
is plausible, but your earlier suggestion and arguments for an all powerful king just doesnt make sense.

Thank you for being patient with me, i hope my objections to your proposed plan doesnt ruin our friendship or our impression of each other.

Till Swords part, fellow SeeDs!

Your Neighbourhood Philosopher

[vietpryde]

ooh! ooh! My turn!



If Cspace's view is what you have been talking about then you should have
been more precise in the very begining.

You spelled beginning wrong, just to point out Also, the reason I didn't give away what exactly they could do was becuase then people would just say they were going to do that if elected. Also, I wanted peopel to come up with their own ideas of what to do as king, or celebrity.

You spelled people wrong. You should have gave away what the King could exactly do, but they wouldn't do exactly what they you posted. That would be stupidty because it might not even benefit SeeD. Plus, since your running, you would beat them bad because they're just copying what you stated, and you would have more ideals. And, it would really help this whole thing better if you did tell the roles of the king, so we wouldn't be acting so negatively against this.

If Cspace's idea is what you are talking about then you wanted a 'celebrity king' just for the sake of fun without any real control of SeeD.
Well, some control over SeeD, not much though. Sort of an Indirect thing. I can't tell you the extent of this, much rather than show you.

Before i seem to have the impression that the 'King' or whatever you call him
will be extremely powerful, perhaps only under the vetoing powers of Cspace and
'10 votes against'

Well.. the ten votes against was to warn the person not to abuse power, if any.

Since he has no power, then there is no need to have the 10 votes against. Since you weren't clear on that he had no power, I have to assume that this is why we have the 10 votes against.

QUOTE
[They cannot be above the rank of Elite General though, for those who have obtained this position have been carefully selected due to their leadership abilities and dedication to SeeD. The King/Queen also cannot make major decisions, and cannot be involved in conflicts of which they cannot handle (Gunblade). Declaration of war is obviously out of the question for this rank.]

Cspace made a very succinct role for this 'king' that you failed to provide.

I mentioned a few times this was not an official position, and that implied no war, gunblade, or such activities.

I will agree with the implemention of a King or 'celebrity' with the power limitations
mentioned by Cspace, but definitely not support the king with the powers that you seem to be proposing. An open ended 'power to do anything except affecting the leaders and the SeeD structure' does not really tell much IMHO

AND people, gardens, names, titles, things like that.

Well, obviously. I mean, Cspace wouldn't even change names(exluding inappropriate names), gardens, or people. No one would even join this clan if he would.

If it is for 'fun' and the King does not really hold any real power which will
override the administrators and the elite generals, then by all means do it.

But if the King holds powers that can only be veto by Cspace and the decision of
a vote(which might be unfair, we know all about unfair votes from the poll for a 'test run') then i say i will definitely not support such a system.
and will even go against it.
(im sorry zolon, you are a fine person and im sure your motivations are benign but i have to take my stance)

Infact right now there are already more then 10 people against the election of the
king and by your own rule should have been abolished already.

There were two rules:
1: We will do a test run if, out of 10 votes, we reach a verdict. That verdict was Yes, until base opened.
2:If, after the election, people thought the ruler was evil and a tyrant, they had the right to petition for his/her decline.

The poll was totally unfair since you didn't explain everything clearly. Like I stated in my other posts, you should have posted everything that the king can and can't do. That way, people can have a better vote, instead of choosing blindly.

I agree with Dragonman565 that the newspaper thing is a great idea and i will
support it wholeheartedly. So is the inovators plan and your previous company.

Think of that when you hit the voting booth

Im thankful that you are putting in alot of effort for the clan, but effort doesnt equates 'good idea'

Im sorry again, but i wasnt convinced with your answers to our questions on my
previous post. It all seemed too frivolous to be taken seriously. Open ended
questions ie: 'he will improve SeeD', 'Its for fun' and 'it wont happen because
i think people in SeeD are mature'
Luckily, Cspace's post put a whole new perspective to this issue. The idea of a 'fun celebrity' that doesnt affect the clan in terms of war and order of ranks.
is plausible, but your earlier suggestion and arguments for an all powerful king just doesnt make sense.

Thank you for being patient with me, i hope my objections to your proposed plan doesnt ruin our friendship or our impression of each other.

Till Swords part, fellow SeeDs!

Your Neighbourhood Philosopher

[X Zolon]

Viet, your cruising for a load of pain if you don't get off my case. And I didn't say the person had no power.. it's filtered power, everything is done THROUGH CSPACE

[Kowboy]

A perhaps "future king" making pk threats already? Hmmmmm...... I see who I WONT be voting for.

[X Zolon]

Well, if you wanna run a smear campaign, that's what you get.

And jeez, I really have a lot of people gunning for me right now!

[vietpryde]

I know what you mean hh. The man already threatens me for "pain" even though we're online.

[X Zolon]

Oh yeah? Well guess what, this whole thing? It was a test. And look at the results I got from it, I mean, look at you! You guys are pulling out full hostility factor on me over an IDEA! Now think and look: you have no loyalties. I'm a super moderator, soon to be Headmaster, I an entitled to a little respect. You guys need to cool it, and I have the results from my test. This wasn't even a real Idea.

[PsyKchosonik]