[Cspace]

I realize that conflicts are going to happen and they all cannot be stopped, though it is a real problem when everyone brings them to the forums, chat, and get others involved who have absolutely nothing to do with them. This is hopefully the last time that I'll have to say this, but many members have been hurt, left SeeD, and strongly dislike certain SeeDs as a result of these stupid conflicts. The leaders (not referring to me, but everyone with a high rank) are then blamed for problems started by everyone else. Whether or not we try to stop them, many SeeDs are hurt as a result of insults, false rumors, the perpetuation of solved conflicts, and grudges. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR MANY MONTHS AND MUST STOP. When "he did/she did" and "he said/she said" situations and rumors grow to result in members leaving, nothing is gained from them. Many people are hurt... and for what? As a result those remaining form "invisible factions" who hold grudges against everyone else for false reasons. I will refer to some specific situations, and do not intend for anything to start as a result. I am hoping that everyone can realize the stupidity of everything that has been happening:

- A SeeD was disliked by a few members, and was worried about a certain aspect of SeeD which is a real concern (not saying what, but it is something that we have dealt with as a result and have improved from). The SeeD Chat became a warzone and he was flamed by many SeeDs, and then everyone claimed that he was "anti-SeeD" because he flamed them back. Who wouldn't flame them back? He was then attacked in the wilderness by a few SeeDs who were not informed of what actually happened, but instead of what SeeDs told them. This is an example of how small rumors could grow to turn a loyal SeeD into clan enemy #1.

- A certain member was thought to be a hacker when he first joined SeeD, and when a few started talking about it the rumor quickly spread throughout the clan. Everyone believed that he was actually a hacker and hated him for it, though there was no proof (actually it was proved that he did not hack anyone or anything). He left, though I urged him to come back and he did. Now he is well-liked, but it is still obvious how a rumor almost ruined someone's reputation among our community.

- Various members (who will remain anonymous) have needlessly been flaming SeeDs in the chat and via instant messages. This harassment has no purpose and has not only resulted in some members leaving, but in them being viewed negatively by everyone else. No one wins, and the clan is hurt. Some leave, the clan's unity is disturbed, the flamers receive a bad reputation, and factions form. Nothing is gained from this.

These are only a few situations which have happened recently, and many others have existed as well. I am tired of this, where is the SeeD that I'm used to?

A year ago everyone helped one another, we had very strong clan unity and overcame various inter-clan conflicts (now existing in a state where these conflicts aren't a major threat anymore), everyone was proud to be a SeeD and enjoyed attending a variety of parties and events, such situations as the "Great Steel Crisis" were our only conflicts within the clan (and they were not targeting members, but needs of the clan), and everyone felt like a SeeD; There were no negative factions or grudges held against one another. Why must we submit ourselves to such turbulence when we have finally risen to become the largest clan in Runescape, when we are finally capable of achieving those farfetched goals of our past such as making a difference in Runescape and eliminating countless rulebreakers. SeeD can be extraordinary and find its place in the ongoing history of the game, but this cannot happen if everyone keeps fighting.

Many believe that I will not ban anyone, though this is not the case anymore...

From now on, if anyone perpetuates conflicts with malicious or negative intent directed toward other SeeDs, he/she will be banned. The period of banishment may or may not be temporary; if you don't try to hurt other SeeDs though, you have nothing to worry about.

I am sorry that this is necessary, but this has gone too far and I have warned everyone too many times. For the sake of SeeD, please consider others when making comments or starting situations which could harm them.

[Raktor]

It's only ever started since I joined as far as I've heard, maybe I should just leave.

[CongressJon]

Thank you Cspace, for officially adressing these matters directly. Guys, all of this fighting, madness, stupidity for crying out loud, has all been started by stupid arguements. "Oh, he called me an idiot!"
"No, but he cursed me off!"
Things like that lead to horrible arguements which leave me disgusted and many trying to stop it. Please, look at my SeeD Unity topic here. I'd really appreciate it.

Please guys, just pull yourselves together, take a deep breath, and try to resolve these things, not start em'.

[Kowboy]

Thank you for clearing up somethings Cspace. I am sorry for conflicts that I started/was in and I will try my hardest to help other members and stay out of conflicts.

[X Zolon]

Thank you Cspace... we might end up getting a little respect for once. Certain members challenge us when we try to do anything, then they ignore us, or leave before we can do anything, then come back to do bad things.

[Killerconvic]

well i have been trying to unite SeeD for as long as i have been here. I have tried my hardest to solve disputes by telling others to just drop it, but they ignore my protests against fighting, and instead flame me. I leave the conflict, and these people keep fighting. I hope that this time, when the leader of SeeD tells them to stop, they will. i hope this puts an end to all the fighting once and for all.

Note: Thanks Cspace, this really could put the clan back to what it used to be (before i was here, i heard it was great from Base). I hope it will.

[Kowboy]

I remember when SeeD was great! It still is but the conflicts are huge...

[Star Jedi]

I do hope some can read this and learn from it. I wasn't here a year ago, so I don't know what exactly SeeD was like. From what I have heard, there was quite a bit more Unity. Since I joined, we have so many more members now, and the possibility for conflicts has greatly risen. I know it's impossible for everyone to like each other exactly the same. If you have a problem, ignore him/her, or work it out with them somewhere other than the forums or SeeD chat. You need to excuse what your sparring partners do, and keep your distance without suspicion or hatred.

Guys, I can't solve every single thing that gets thrown at me. Just so you know, I do try my best to get some solved. But sometimes it's almost impossible to get rivalries sorted out, and some get so large, I can't possibly do anything for you/him/her; it gets really stressful at times. You have to sort these out for yourselves, for I won't be there every minute of the day; I to have a life.

If you need personal help, you can always talk to me, Smods, Generals, and Elite Generals, or whoever makes you feel comfortable. Getting advice from others makes you feel a little better; Well, At least it works for me Remember, people exist for one another. You can instruct them or endure them.

Also, I see so many people leaving these days, old members and new mostly because of conflicts. I try my absolute best to make you reconsider, but when three people quit at one time, I can't do anything. There seems to be a trend... When someone leaves, that person's friend leaves, and then 'that' person's friend leaves, and so on. I know it's everyone's decision, but please pm your leaving, and don't post it on the forums... Talk to your friends on aim, etc, and tell them you are leaving yourself. I can't stand anyone leaving... And I also hate to see new and old SeeDs walking away hurt mentally from a fight.

Don't criticize anyone for a mistake... If they've made a mistake, correct them gently and show them where they went wrong. If you can't do that, then blame the lies on you, or no one.

All I can say is, let's come together and be unified, and don't let conflicts both any of us. Of course that's easier said than done... But we can do it.

[X Zolon]

When I joined, there was 150 Members (On the nosey! At least, on the forum.. there were around 200 acctual clan members) And things were awesome. The clan was active, and people were friendly. AS I watched the days go by, it seemed 2 people would join everty few days, when, in reality, they came in packets of 10+ After awhile, people started to meet their oposites, and begin to fight.

Soon enough, what a moderator said , didn't matter. Then it became Smods. Then Generals, eventually.

I've noticed everybody is instantly willing to turn against others when an oppurtunity arrises. Litle factions are created and ggroups band together. I, Myself, am not no in one, and find myself switching friends everyday, except for the few close friends I have. People instantly fight over the most trivial things, and aks for salvation, then suddenly, they attack you and you are the one in trouble.

Well, My word is going to start meaning a lot more than "Stop it, that's 1."

PS: Almost been a year for me!

[rero]

well i havent been here long. i joined up about a month ago and got grounded right after i did. I have heard about these arguments. I havent been/started any of them and dont plan on it. If it was me though the threat of being banned worked on me.

This post has been edited by rero: 05 December 2003 - 12:32 AM

[Jarik C-Bol]

Thank you CSpace. I've noticed a lot of arguements in the past month or so. All these people anouncing that they were leaving seed for reasons that the could not talk about, and yet when they said that they sounded bitter. I know that Seed is about unity, but somtimes we all forget that for a little while. like I said in some post recently, there is no reason to create such large conflicts among ourselfs for the sake of a game. Now, I love runescape as much as the rest of you, but I always keep with me the thought that what happens in RS does not matter when it comes to relating to people everywere else. The conflicts that arise in Seed are sometimes based of events in RS and sometimes not. but what is important that none of us are hurt over somthing as small as a game, or somthing as small as a slightly unimformed post about somthing. An easy way to help avoid conflict over nothing is to do what I do in the RS forums on the RS2 bug forum. that forum has at least 2 posts every 10 seconds. i like to watch it and see what comes up. A lot of people will post things that they claim are bugs, only to have 10 people flame them telling them they are stupid and that's not a bug. However, sadly, most of the time they are bugs. If i'm going to respond to a bug post, wether yes that is a bug or no it's not a bug, i go test it, and make shure my information is corect. So, if you are about to post somthing you heard about somone, think twice, (or mabe three times) before posting anything you are unshure about. This alone will help prevent angering somone who may know better than you. If you feel you HAVE to post somthing your not positive about, admit it, say somthing like "but i'm not 100% shure of my information" you can always go back and edit later.

This post has been edited by Jarik C-Bol: 05 December 2003 - 01:42 AM

[Goto]

I'm also quite sick of this situation... This is a great clan, but there always seems to be someone threatening to leave (or worse, to kill themselves over how they're treated on the internet). It'd be nice to not have to post in 3 of these topics each time i log on... Star Jedi and all the others who try to prevent conflicts calmly (Base, Super, etc.) do a good job, but they can't do everything. And just a handy little piece of advice for some of you. If you're going to reply to a post that really irks you, and you don't think you can control your anger, then don't post it. You'll just cause a conflict. Either be civil and calmly state your opinion, or voice it somewhere else. We don't need troublemakers flaming others, even if the original post may be even worse. By adding other nasty opinions, you just make things worse...

Good on you for putting your foot down, Cspace. If your plan for us to become the true peacekeepers of Runescape is ever going to get off the ground, we need the full support and energy of SeeD. We could do some amazing things if we focused our talents and skills...

[X Zolon]

Personnally, I do this to handle conflicts:

Start out by asking both people their story. Then I make a composite from what they both tell me. Then I find some way to neutralize the problems and nobody gets in trouble. Then different people keep it going, so I tell them to stop it. If they don't listen, I warn them (Verbally). Then, I start threatening with punishments and possible suggestions of more... influencial punishments from CSpace. If nobody of a higher rank is on, I take control and personally go all out to stop conflicts.

[Trifang]

I agree completely with everyone, but there is a problem. I am not saying that anyone is wrong. Trifang (meh) may not be the most active or interesting person and he vows not to go onto the chat, but there are some people probably who don't like me. It could be for numerous reasons, but there is a problem. In a clan this big, there are bound to be people who don't respect and do not approve of another person's ideas and thoughts etc. Someone who considers themselves to to intelligent or smart may be looked at as a, "Smart Alek" or wisecrack. There are problems and some are inevitable, but people please!

Think about the consequences before acting in a reckless or dangerous manner.

~Tri...I hope it helped.

[Jarik C-Bol]

when it all comes down to it, i guess the main call to the clan now is to be verry open minded about others in the clan, the whole idea of not imediatly passing judgement. i agree with Trifang, in a clan this size, there are bound to be some minor conflicts, because somtimes one person will rub another the wrong way. The thing to do in that situation is not just sit there and be irked by them over and over, but to tell the person quickly and civily, that somthing they do bothers you, and mabe between the two of you, you can come to a peacefull agreement. if you can't seem to work it out, spesificly request the preasence of a leader or mod, who may be able to help sort things out. Basicly, don't let your iritation fester into hate, take action and try to work things out before they become a mini war.

This post has been edited by Jarik C-Bol: 10 December 2003 - 02:54 PM